Cricket

[jim mk2]

12 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

No quite old enough to be able to remember Hutton & Compton but being able to go back to the late 50's I'd go with.

Gooch, Cook, Barrington, May, Pietersen, Stokes, Flintoff, Evans, Laker, Trueman, Willis. 12th man Underwood

Bob Willis?? and no Botham?

Two people gone with Pietersen but he wouldn't get in my 3rd XI

We've all got our favourites

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, RoverDom said:

I've never watched T20, how does it differ to the Hundred? It's only an extra 20 balls isn't it? 

T20 involves the counties playing in current format with a couple of extra games plus Quarter finals, semi final and final. Plus the 50 over competition would have potential England players in it. 

Have you never watch England in t20 game? 

2 hours ago, berkshireblue said:

its garbage  ECB should have invested in T20 Blast, at least they have a supporter base

Exactly 

[RoverDom]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

Have you never watch England in t20 game? 

Nope, mainly watched tests and occasionally ODI. 

[den]

Just a comment about Underwood. He was a left arm spin bowler who bowled very quickly and very flat. A medium pacer really. The thing is, he played when wickets weren’t covered. On a wet or drying pitch he was unplayable. Spin bnowlers don’t get that kind of help anymore. Fair to say he wouldn’t be as effective now as he was then.

[Polky]

8 hours ago, RoverDom said:

Watched some of the Hundred last night, was not a fan. 

I’m the same, not a fan at all!

My wife works with young children and they absolutely love the Hundred. So much that she’s asked to watch it so she can stay up-to-date. I think they’re more the target audience than current cricket fans.
 

I guess the Hundred/T20’s are peoples gateways into cricket. Once they’ve had a taste of it, they possibly will start watching Test matches.

I wish more Test cricket was shown on free-to-air TV. I was captivated by the 2005 series and getting to watch the whole series was a joy. Imagine if this years series was shown on BBC or Channel 4?  It would have been amazing and increase the participation at grassroots level.

[47er]

4 hours ago, jim mk2 said:

Bob Willis?? and no Botham?

Two people gone with Pietersen but he wouldn't get in my 3rd XI

We've all got our favourites

Barrington--the Bazball antidote! Now there's a man who protected his wicket!

[Ewood Ace]

21 minutes ago, 47er said:

Barrington--the Bazball antidote! Now there's a man who protected his wicket!

For me undoubtedly the best batsman to make his debut for England post WW2.

[speeeeeeedie]

On 01/08/2023 at 11:22, jim mk2 said:

 

From about 1961 when I started taking an interest in cricket

Boycott; Cook; Gooch; Dexter, Gower; Botham; Flintoff; Knott; Underwood; Snow; Trueman

They're my personal favourites which includes IMO the best Test openers; the best 2 all-rounders, the best wicketkeeper; the best spin bowler; and the best fast bowlers. They're all proper Test players and the team includes some dashing batsmen that the instant cricket Bazballers would enjoy too

Honourable mentions for the likes of Cowdrey, Graveney, Barrington, D'Oliveira, Barber, Milburn, Root,  and if you went back to the 1950s you'd have to consider Laker, May, Compton and Hutton but as I say, they're my favourites of the ones of my era that I've enjoyed watching

 

 

Dare I ask what would your equivalent be for the Australians?

Border, Warne, McGrath, S Waugh, Ponting, Lee I remember off the top of my head.

[matt83]

No cricket but as least someone getting some drying done. 🤷‍♂️

[den]

2 hours ago, matt83 said:

No cricket but as least someone getting some drying done. 🤷‍♂️

Match abandoned after water got under covers

you there Matt?

[Gav]

6 hours ago, den said:

Match abandoned after water got under covers

you there Matt?

I was on the East Coast last weekend and the weather was glorious, people in the sea, on the beach, I was really hopeful for the game. But yesterday it was torrential here in West Yorkshire, never stopped raining for 12hrs, I'm not surprised the game was called off. 

[Ianrally]

On 02/08/2023 at 18:47, Ewood Ace said:

For me undoubtedly the best batsman to make his debut for England post WW2.

I’ve always had a soft spot for Ken Barrington. As a young lad in the 60’s I worked on the playing fields of Stonyhurst College during my school holidays. The MCC used to play a match there each year and on one occasion this guy asked me if I would bowl a few to him in the nets, prior to the start. That man was Ken Barrington although I didn’t know it st the time, after the game he gave me a bat which 60 years later I still have. 

[matt83]

17 hours ago, den said:

Match abandoned after water got under covers

you there Matt?

Yeah went to the far east. Sounds like a bit of a shambles to be honest with the groundsmen not putting down the covers properly.

In true Yorkshire fashion no refunds for game. Not surprised it is yorkshite after all. Lancs have decided to take the moral high ground (which I like) by offering free entry to a game at ot to both sets of fans. All well and good but it’s free for members anyway and no self respecting Yorkshireman will watch Lancs.

The Yorkshire weather has fucked Lancs over twice in 3 days. It’s bad enough our own weather doing it

Edited August 4, 2023 by matt83

[den]

2 hours ago, matt83 said:

Yeah went to the far east. Sounds like a bit of a shambles to be honest with the groundsmen not putting down the covers properly.

In true Yorkshire fashion no refunds for game. Not surprised it is yorkshite after all. Lancs have decided to take the moral high ground (which I like) by offering free entry to a game at ot to both sets of fans. All well and good but it’s free for members anyway and no self respecting Yorkshireman will watch Lancs.

The Yorkshire weather has fucked Lancs over twice in 3 days. It’s bad enough our own weather doing it

Yes, I know about them not refunding ticket money. It’s despicable of Yorkshire to go down that route. 
They put it on their match ticket that play isn’t guaranteed and doing that cleared them to keep every penny of admission money without providing anything in return. The ECB should be looking at that. 

[jim mk2]

On 02/08/2023 at 16:24, den said:

Just a comment about Underwood. He was a left arm spin bowler who bowled very quickly and very flat. A medium pacer really. The thing is, he played when wickets weren’t covered. On a wet or drying pitch he was unplayable. Spin bnowlers don’t get that kind of help anymore. Fair to say he wouldn’t be as effective now as he was then.

If you're going down that road, you wouldn't pick any batsman from the modern era in an all-time XI because very few of them would have the skill to survive on uncovered pitches. Crawley's method of plonking his left foot down the pitch and swinging a 3lb bat through the line wouldn't survive one over from Trueman. 

Like in football,  picking an all-time XI is an academic exercise and doesn't stand up to scrutiny

[berkshireblue]

On 02/08/2023 at 13:02, jim mk2 said:

 

The theory is one of Boycott or Cook could bat all day, tire out the bowlers and dashing middle order batsmen would pile on the runs. Boycott could raise his rate of scoring when he wanted; it's just that like Cook he set his stall out to bat all day long - which I like

Stewart was an adequate wicketkeeper but I remember him making mistakes which I don't remember Knott ever doing. By most consensus he and Godfrey Evans are England's best-ever wicketkeepers

You'd have to have one of your all rounders opening the bowling - which isn't right. I've got 2 specialist fast bowlers - and 2 of the meanest, "nastiest" bowlers I ever saw - with 2 all-rounders as change bowlers. You can't have Flintoff at No 9, he'd have no one to bat with - Underwood and Anderson are rabbits

I think you're team's unbalanced and I much prefer mine but it's all personal preference

It is all about opinions but Botham opens the bowling with Jimmy, Jimmy highest wicket taker has to be in the side. Botham  always used to in his prime so very happy with those two

Stokes and Flintoff first change with Underwood to come and Root if required

Flintoff would have a partner in the number 8 or below, easily knock off a quick 100. Jimmy and Underwood would never need to bat with the 9 above them

[Gav]

6 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

 Crawley's method of plonking his left foot down the pitch and swinging a 3lb bat through the line wouldn't survive one over from Trueman. 

Tripe.

[matt83]

1 hour ago, den said:

Yes, I know about them not refunding ticket money. It’s despicable of Yorkshire to go down that route. 
They put it on their match ticket that play isn’t guaranteed and doing that cleared them to keep every penny of admission money without providing anything in return. The ECB should be looking at that. 

I have never and will never read the small print on something so trivial as a £20 ticket to a game of cricket. Even if it said in big bold letters no refunds in the event of no play I’d still buy the ticket to support Lancs. But I think there’s unwritten codes of conduct such as refunding tickets if the event is cancelled. But hey ho Yorkshire will always be Yorkshire.

What bugs me is I’ve heard from a fairly reliable source that once the Scarborough ground staff realised the cock up as early as 9am they knew there was close to zero chance that they’d be able to get a game on. Yet yccc/Scarborough cc decided to open the doors as normal to get the punters in the ground spending for 3-4 hours. Again it’s the Yorkshire way. 

[den]

1 hour ago, jim mk2 said:

If you're going down that road, you wouldn't pick any batsman from the modern era in an all-time XI because very few of them would have the skill to survive on uncovered pitches. Crawley's method of plonking his left foot down the pitch and swinging a 3lb bat through the line wouldn't survive one over from Trueman. 

Like in football,  picking an all-time XI is an academic exercise and doesn't stand up to scrutiny

No Jim. All I’m pointing out is that Underwood and his style of bowling medium pace spinners was helped massively because of the wet pitches. Spinners don’t bowl at that pace any more because that pace on dry wickets would completely nullify any spin. Other batsmen/bowlers weren’t helped so much.

In my opinion.

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, jim mk2 said:

If you're going down that road, you wouldn't pick any batsman from the modern era in an all-time XI because very few of them would have the skill to survive on uncovered pitches. Crawley's method of plonking his left foot down the pitch and swinging a 3lb bat through the line wouldn't survive one over from Trueman. 

Like in football,  picking an all-time XI is an academic exercise and doesn't stand up to scrutiny

Oh Yes Crawley, England top run scorer in the Ashes and still zero praise or knowledge that you were wrong on him. Quality player that Stokes and McCullum backed every time. well done guys  

[Dreams of 1995]

I have to admit I doubted Crawley going into the series as well

He looked a walking wicket. Seems that spot was taken by Labuschagne this  series!

Crawley impressed. He looked assured and more patient. He looks spectacular when driving on the up, but unfortunately that will be his downfall more often than not. Like when Root got out with the drag-on when trying to play a really late cut - you have to accept them wickets because playing the shots they do scores them a lot of runs

Whilst Crawley continues to average nearly 50 he earns the right to play how he wants

[jim mk2]

39 minutes ago, den said:

No Jim. All I’m pointing out is that Underwood and his style of bowling medium pace spinners was helped massively because of the wet pitches. Spinners don’t bowl at that pace any more because that pace on dry wickets would completely nullify any spin. Other batsmen/bowlers weren’t helped so much.

In my opinion.

 

I'm just pointing out that most modern batsmen would not have the technique to cope with those pitches. So if you're questioning picking Underwood in an all-time XI you'd also have to question selecting any batsmen from the last 30 - 40 years.

In my opinion

 

 

 

 

[Norbert Rassragr]

Truman and co. are way before my time, but my uncle threw him out of his pub in Whitby because he gave it the big I am and demanded he brought out a table so he could sit outside. And then there's that gloriously odd TV show he did that was based on pub games in the 1970s.

https://youtu.be/JhhQ3d8kKq8

 

[Gav]

1 hour ago, Norbert Rassragr said:

Truman and co. are way before my time, but my uncle threw him out of his pub in Whitby because he gave it the big I am and demanded he brought out a table so he could sit outside. And then there's that gloriously odd TV show he did that was based on pub games in the 1970s.

https://youtu.be/JhhQ3d8kKq8

 

70’s Chic!

 

[DeeCee]

23 hours ago, Gav said:

70’s Chic!

 

I'll si thee 😁