Cricket

[onlyonejackwalker]

Chasing 4.58 per over. We could have won it in singles. Too many players forgetting simple fundamentals like playing straight and protecting their wicket. Very naive batting by experienced professionals.

[onlyonejackwalker]

Joe Root playing across the line through mid wicket / square leg, first ball, to a delivery hitting middle and leg, that he should be playing through mid-on or even straighter if he doesn't shuffle across his crease. LB bubblegum, golden duck, terrible example, with loads of time on his side to build an innings. Joe Root!! One of the more intelligent players.

Sweeping changes needed, in personel, strategy, preparation and mind-set.

[jim mk2]

It’s not unusual for one or two players to be out of form but what is unusual is for the whole team to be failing with the bat and what’s more failing in every single game.

There’s probably a combination of reasons for the individual and collective failures but something obviously ihas gone seriously wrong. Buttler and Mott need to provide a convincing explanation in the inquest to come and even they should probably be sacked

Edited October 30, 2023 by jim mk2

[den]

3 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

It’s not unusual for one or two players to be out of form but what is unusual is for the whole team to be failing with the bat and what’s more failing in every single game.

There’s probably a combination of reasons for the individual and collective failures but something obviously ihas gone seriously wrong. Buttler and Mott need to provide a convincing explanation in the inquest to come and even they should probably be sacked

I would argue that not one player - batting or bowling- has been anything but poor or worse in every game.  Maybe Rashid has done the best. How often do you see that throughout a series?

Something is very wrong. 
 

The team is ageing but I don’t see the replacements anywhere. We are in for a long spell in the wilderness I reckon. 

 

[chaddyrovers]

40 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

Buttler and Mott need to provide a convincing explanation in the inquest to come and even they should probably be sacked

I would made Crawley the new ODI and t20 Captain. I would keep Mott as England coach. 

32 minutes ago, den said:

The team is ageing but I don’t see the replacements anywhere. We are in for a long spell in the wilderness I reckon. 

batsmen wise - Phil Salt, Tom Banton, Zak Crawley, Harry Brook, Ben Duckett, Jamie Smith, Sam Hain, Will Smeed, 

All rounders - Will Jacks, 

Bowlers - Matthew Potts, Brydon Carse, Gus Atkinson, Rehan Ahmed, Jack Carson, Henry Brookes, Sonny Baker, Sam Cook, Blake Cullen, Matt Parkinson, 

[oldjamfan1]

I don't think the 50 over format will be around for much longer. Not at World Cup level anyway. With a couple of notable exceptions most games are as dull as ditch water. As for England, Morgan and Plunkett were such important players (and captain) for us in the last world cup and they have never really been replaced. Albeit it was played in English conditions obviously.

The T20 will become 'the' world cup and played every two years. 

[den]

On 30/10/2023 at 13:31, oldjamfan1 said:

I don't think the 50 over format will be around for much longer. Not at World Cup level anyway. With a couple of notable exceptions most games are as dull as ditch water. As for England, Morgan and Plunkett were such important players (and captain) for us in the last world cup and they have never really been replaced. Albeit it was played in English conditions obviously.

The T20 will become 'the' world cup and played every two years. 

I don’t really agree with that OJF. I think the entertainment level depends on the closeness of the game, the wicket etc like it does in any format. 
 

I watched a Lancs 50 over game last season where over 700 runs were scored in the day. Which other format gives you that? Unlike the T20 it allows for the hard hitting alongside the need to build an innings.

All I would say is that if it’s a crap game then it’s a longer day to suffer. There again Test matches used to provide 5 days of suffering when scoring rates rarely got above 2 per over.

 

[wilsdenrover]

It’s looking like another defeat for NZ.

They might be starting to worry a bit.

[oldjamfan1]

5 hours ago, den said:

I don’t really agree with that OJF. I think the entertainment level depends on the closeness of the game, the wicket etc like it does in any format. 
 

I watched a Lancs 50 over game last season where over 700 runs were scored in the day. Which other format gives you that? Unlike the T20 it allows for the hard hitting alongside the need to build an innings.

All I would say is that if it’s a crap game then it’s a longer day to suffer. There again Test matches used to provide 5 days of suffering when scoring rates rarely got above 2 per over.

 

That game was was one of the exceptions I was referring to den. Maybe its just me but close games seem to be a rarity these days. There certainly haven't been many in this world cup, that's for sure.

[chaddyrovers]

David Willey retiring from all cricket after this world cup. 

Players from the world cup squad are saying Matthew Mott isn't to blame for these performances in the world cup but the players. 

Eoin Morgan has dismissed suggestions he will replace Mott as ODI coach after the world cup. 

In Lancashire CCC news, looks like Nathan Lyon will become one of overseas players for next season. Interesting move by them

[Mattyblue]

When do players, in any sport, come out and blame the manager/coach?

The truth always finds its way out in the end.

[wilsdenrover]

3 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

When do players, in any sport, come out and blame the manager/coach?

The truth always finds its way out in the end.

Usually about half an hour after the manager/coach has been sacked.

[Mattyblue]

Exactly, the future autobiographies of Buttler et al will be a telling a very different tale of this World Cup…

[wilsdenrover]

From the BBC…

England Test captain Ben Stokes says he will undergo surgery after the World Cup to address his ongoing knee issue.

The 32-year-old's knee has been a long-term problem, with the all-rounder unable to bowl and playing only as a batter during the World Cup in India.

They return to India for a five-match Test series, starting on 25 January, but Stokes says he hopes to be fit. 

"There was a lot of time put into deciding when to get it done," said Stokes.

"Obviously the India Test series which we start at the end of January, I should be fine to go by then."

 

My thoughts are the time to have got this done was immediately after the Ashes - yes that would have meant missing the World Cup but he was supposed to be retired from ODIs anyways.

Whilst I’m having a moan - it’s batsman not batter -maybe it shouldn’t but that properly gets on my tits.
 

Edited November 3, 2023 by wilsdenrover

[AllRoverAsia]

18 hours ago, wilsdenrover said:

From the BBC…

England Test captain Ben Stokes says he will undergo surgery after the World Cup to address his ongoing knee issue.

The 32-year-old's knee has been a long-term problem, with the all-rounder unable to bowl and playing only as a batter during the World Cup in India.

They return to India for a five-match Test series, starting on 25 January, but Stokes says he hopes to be fit. 

"There was a lot of time put into deciding when to get it done," said Stokes.

"Obviously the India Test series which we start at the end of January, I should be fine to go by then."

 

My thoughts are the time to have got this done was immediately after the Ashes - yes that would have meant missing the World Cup but he was supposed to be retired from ODIs anyways.

Whilst I’m having a moan - it’s batsman not batter -maybe it shouldn’t but that properly gets on my tits.
 

But, but, but .. it contains a 3 letter swear word not used in today's polite society.

Clue: MAN, MAN, MAN, MAN

 

 

Edited November 4, 2023 by AllRoverAsia

[wilsdenrover]

Australia all out for 286.

I think we’ll be all out for around 150.

[chaddyrovers]

Bowled well against. Rashid the outstanding bowler. Aussies didn't know how to play him. 

 

[AllRoverAsia]

1 hour ago, wilsdenrover said:

Australia all out for 286.

I think we’ll be all out for around 150.

That many?

[jim mk2]

Livingstone, what a waste of space. And he got a central contract. No wonder Willey was teed off

 

[matt83]

That’s a fairly limp defence of the World Cup. I genuinely can’t think of any reason why. The one minor and I do mean minor thing the 100 has going for it is there’s probably the right number of teams in terms of condensing quality. Nope the morons at the ECB want to expand it. EXPAND IT. Couldn’t make it up.

How about 18 teams playing 40 extra deliveries as one tournament. Then those same players play 50 overs cricket. Revolutionary.

[wilsdenrover]

Perhaps the new contracts should have waited until after the World Cup.

 

[AllRoverAsia]

8 hours ago, jim mk2 said:

Livingstone, what a waste of space. And he got a central contract. No wonder Willey was teed off

 

He was a major reason why I didn't watch that game, even after the Aussies posted a sub par score. I just knew that we would bottle the chase.

I watched NZ v Pakistan, a cracking match and a great shame it had to go to DLS. Fakhar looked invincible.

[AllRoverAsia]

5 hours ago, wilsdenrover said:

Perhaps the new contracts should have waited until after the World Cup.

 

I agree. There was nothing to be gained and Willey must have been peed off, not being offered even a year.

Morgan was right, that dressing room has issues.

[Mattyblue]

It was obvious that it was the end of the road for the white ball team, success or failure in this World Cup, oldest team by a mile in the competition… so the ECB/Key’s idea was to give them all multi-year lucrative contracts?!

The new generation, Brook et al should’ve been signed up post World Cup to keep them out the clutches of the franchise circuit, but the rest of the white ball specialists should’ve been told ‘thanks very much, but feel free to now fill your boots in the Dubai T10 and the like’.

Edited November 5, 2023 by Mattyblue

[chaddyrovers]

21 hours ago, matt83 said:

That’s a fairly limp defence of the World Cup. I genuinely can’t think of any reason why. The one minor and I do mean minor thing the 100 has going for it is there’s probably the right number of teams in terms of condensing quality. Nope the morons at the ECB want to expand it. EXPAND IT. Couldn’t make it up.

How about 18 teams playing 40 extra deliveries as one tournament. Then those same players play 50 overs cricket. Revolutionary.

I can think of these simple reasons. 

the squad is out of form and too old, the wrong squad picked with no second proper spinner picked like Dawson, the timing of those contracts being announced and players told before the world cup, Squad needed new players in there like Crawley, Duckett, Jacks, etc

not watched the hundred and I don't see why it is even here. what's the appeal to the normal cricket fan. I just don't get it apart from financial reasons