[Archived] Training Pics from Portugal/training in Portugal

[ABBEY]

Ive always been surprised at how short a football pre-season is. What is it? about 2 months?

How long would you like it ? Or would you kick the new season of at Christmas ?

[Rover_Shaun]

Ive always been surprised at how short a football pre-season is. What is it? about 2 months?

6 weeks - Start of July to Mid August-ish....usually. As highly paid professional atheletes they should not lose too much fitness during their long holiday.

That's after 6 weeks off at the end of the season and a working week that consists of about 20 hours a week.

[Majiball]

I may have misread this but didn't Maji not rate this guy because he had a 2:1 degree? Apologies if you didn't Maji!

No Imy9 you remember right. Undergrads are never enough these days as you only get 2 years real knowledge the 1st is about over coming the decline in A-levels standards.

We'll see how he gets on this year having a pre-season but if Wrexham was a fitness exercise (as stated) then it wasn't good enough given 24 odd players were used. No intensity at all.

[chaddyrovers]

Maj, why don't you give the players and Bowyer/Neville a chance instead of judging them after 8 days of training before the Wrexham.

The training that the players seems to be in Portugal seems very intense and seems to working to Neville plan.

doesn't Neville work with England senior squad so must be highly regarded by Hodgson and England FA?

different people have different ways of fitness routines and how to do this. Look at Redknapp comments about QPR not be fit enough but Hughes had the same coaching staff as he did at Rovers and our players were fit and could keep going for 90 mins and with high intensity.

[neophox]

Seems like Neville like TRX training methods and alot of stability training for the core according to Pictures....

[Majiball]

Maj, why don't you give the players and Bowyer/Neville a chance instead of judging them after 8 days of training before the Wrexham.

The training that the players seems to be in Portugal seems very intense and seems to working to Neville plan.

doesn't Neville work with England senior squad so must be highly regarded by Hodgson and England FA?

different people have different ways of fitness routines and how to do this. Look at Redknapp comments about QPR not be fit enough but Hughes had the same coaching staff as he did at Rovers and our players were fit and could keep going for 90 mins and with high intensity.

Woy looks after his mates, wait till you see who's the under 21's boss.

how the hell can you see the intensity from pics?

Is neville the head of sports science for england? Don't believe he is, he's the coach, nothing more. The man who sets it all out works down the corridor.

So Roden got it right here and failed at QPR, why? because they didn't adapt to suit the players. I do my fitness based on personality traits of the individual, it changes at every club. So what worked here (qpr) failed there, all that indicates to me is they couldn't adapt to different players and stuck to what they knew. Not a good trait and a typical football.

I'll wait to judge them if you do the same and stop spouting they're great and fantastic signings? No different too what you're asking of me.

[Tom]

I'm with Maj here, he knows a lot more about about fitness training than the rest of us, it will take more than a few photos and Alan Judge saying he's tired to prove the fitness regime is working just as it will take more than good will and blind faith to convince me that the movement in the transfer window has been on the whole positive so far

Time will tell

[chaddyrovers]

Roy looks after his mates, wait till you see who's the under 21's boss.

how the hell can you see the intensity from pics?

Is neville the head of sports science for england? Don't believe he is, he's the coach, nothing more. The man who sets it all out works down the corridor.

wasn't Neville there before Roy Hodgson was appointed?

Never mention anything about Pics Did I?

A lot of Rovers players who are in Portugal have commented about how hard the training sessions have been and How much intensity is in the sessions.

Plus Bowyer comments after Wrexham game about what the Portugal training camp will be about. and Neville interview before the players came back for pre-season training aswell. both on Rovers player.

Neville Interview with 442 magazine http://performance.fourfourtwo.com/experts/chris-Neville

Tom, Surely Chris Neville has more knowledge than Maj about how to deal with Footballers and what type of pre-season training is needed to get them into top shape and fully fit for the start of the season.

[Ossydave]

Where do you work Maj?

[roversfan99]

Chaddy, even under Kean the comments from the players and staff during pre-season were positive, I remember Hendry even saying things like we shouldn't worry if we lose as we lost every game in the build up to the season we won the league.

Of course pre-season will be tough to a player who has just been sunning himself relaxing, and of course every thing will be given a positive PR spin.

The signing of Marrow was praised by Bowyer as you would expect but I still don't agree with it.

Truth is we will only know how effective this pre-season has been once the campaign is under way, but Majiball clearly has expert knowledge in this area, therefore his opinion holds plenty of weight.

[cn174]

Chaddy, even under Kean the comments from the players and staff during pre-season were positive, I remember Hendry even saying things like we shouldn't worry if we lose as we lost every game in the build up to the season we won the league.

Maybe publically the noises were positive but I heard reports that some players said it was the easiest pre-season they'd done. I remember going to the game against Chorley and we looked less than fit, which didn't bode well for the season.

[Guest Norbert]

It surely has to be going better than under Kean. Our players were out of puff after 70 or 80 minutes and they were holding on more often than not. And how many late goals did we concede?

[bob fleming]

Fitness under Kean was an absolute joke. He can add that to his CV along his his wanton destruction of the club. Why the man persists in trying to get a new job through his friends in the press is anyone's guess (£). I mean surely no one out there is as stupid as Venkys!?!

Anyway, yes, weights. Good stuff. Tells me nothing, just as the results pre season tell me nothing. Derby away will do though. All the rest is second guessing and conjecture depending on whether you're a pessimist or an optimist.

Oh and has anyone noticed that those who no longer go to Rovers on this messageboard are the biggest pessimists?

[roversfan99]

I certainly agree that the fitness under Kean was horrendous and will surely be better, my point was simply we need to wait and see like you said.

[Majiball]

wasn't Neville there before Roy Hodgson was appointed?

Never mention anything about Pics Did I?

A lot of Rovers players who are in Portugal have commented about how hard the training sessions have been and How much intensity is in the sessions.

Plus Bowyer comments after Wrexham game about what the Portugal training camp will be about. and Neville interview before the players came back for pre-season training aswell. both on Rovers player.

Neville Interview with 442 magazine http://performance.fourfourtwo.com/experts/chris-Neville

Tom, Surely Chris Neville has more knowledge than Maj about how to deal with Footballers and what type of pre-season training is needed to get them into top shape and fully fit for the start of the season.

Intensity will be derived from the load chaddy and the demands placed on them by the coaches. The only way you'll know that is by being there and you're not.

What player doesn't think pre-season is hard.

Wrexham was fitness and no intensity was present, I went you didn't.

Neville has a 2:1 all my grades are two above his and I have more than one degree and a PhD. Neville has 1 undergrad, I also work alongside his boss at England, I'll wager I know a lot more about the science than he does.

[Majiball]

Chaddy, even under Kean the comments from the players and staff during pre-season were positive, I remember Hendry even saying things like we shouldn't worry if we lose as we lost every game in the build up to the season we won the league.

Of course pre-season will be tough to a player who has just been sunning himself relaxing, and of course every thing will be given a positive PR spin.

The signing of Marrow was praised by Bowyer as you would expect but I still don't agree with it.

Truth is we will only know how effective this pre-season has been once the campaign is under way, but Majiball clearly has expert knowledge in this area, therefore his opinion holds plenty of weight.

Look as Chaddy said it's early days, but those are the most crucial as football will quickly take priority over fitness. Some players were blowing after 20 mins as hands on hips isn't a good sign. Others look over-weight and as if they have had as you said a holiday???

They are meant to be athletes and so have to do work away from the club during the off-season to maintain fitness. Clearly some havent. All this means is that they'll get back around to where they were. They weren't fit enough last year and so should have been made to maintain during the off season so it could be strongly enhanced this season.

Aye we'll find out when they finish but I didn't see one sub having recvery drinks shoved down their throats the second they came off as is needed as it's all about gaining little 1%'s here and there to get a bigger overall boost.

Maybe publically the noises were positive but I heard reports that some players said it was the easiest pre-season they'd done. I remember going to the game against Chorley and we looked less than fit, which didn't bode well for the season.

We'll see how things transpire as matches for me are part of the training load at first, but I scream and shout for intensity on the sidelines when it's fitness. I do this as it's scientific fact it's needed to hit the required intensities. How often did anyone see shouting and encouragement at Wrexham?

We'll see but being the fittest team in the league is worth places in the table.

[DanielMB]

congratulations on the good grades...

[imy9]

I have listened to Maj's reasoning behind why the top grades are required in this field and it makes sense.

I guess it's wait and see time when we play Derby away.

[lukey]

6 weeks - Start of July to Mid August-ish....usually. As highly paid professional atheletes they should not lose too much fitness during their long holiday.

That's after 6 weeks off at the end of the season and a working week that consists of about 20 hours a week.

Yeah I was just surprised. Over here the pre-seasons for aussie rules start in november and the first match is played in late march. I guess its such a long season that they dont have that much time to lose fitness as such and therefore dont need a huge pre-season, unlike over here where AFL is pretty much just a winter sport.

[Steve Moss]

Maji knows what he is talking about. I have no idea about Neville. Time will tell.

[Guest Norbert]

Intensity will be derived from the load chaddy and the demands placed on them by the coaches. The only way you'll know that is by being there and you're not.

What player doesn't think pre-season is hard.

Wrexham was fitness and no intensity was present, I went you didn't.

Neville has a 2:1 all my grades are two above his and I have more than one degree and a PhD. Neville has 1 undergrad, I also work alongside his boss at England, I'll wager I know a lot more about the science than he does.

Impressive. Would a move into this field be suitable for you, or is your current job good and better paid?

I agree with you that from what little I know, that pre-season is all about really pushing yourself to get fit, rather than skills, which can be the focus once the league is up and running.

[yoda]

Impressive. Would a move into this field be suitable for you, or is your current job good and better paid?

I agree with you that from what little I know, that pre-season is all about really pushing yourself to get fit, rather than skills, which can be the focus once the league is up and running.

[Guest Norbert]

I was being serious. A PhD is impressive, and I was wondering what Maji's job was and if being a fitness coach would be more rewarding (financially and in other ways).

[patrickvalery]

You've remember Wolf from Gladiators Norbert? Maj was the man behind the growl I believe. He's doing just fine.

[blueboy3333]

Bowyer:-

We'll do the same as what we did last week, where they'll all get 45 minutes, but they'll be going into the game tired because they will have had a hard week.
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So, after a weeks hard training. doing 2 & 3 sessions a day, the players are going into the first couple of pre-season games tired. Therefore, the matches are not as 'intense'. It's obvious really.