[Archived] Jake Keans Form

[Majiball]

Maj obviously knows this stuff better than most, personally I'd be interested to see some articles from him on how you can gain a competitive advantage.

Can I ask what you mean by competitive advantage?

I''m happy to ask your Q's by PM if that helps?

[AggyBlue]

What do people think of the first goal? Seeing as the ball wasn't travelling at speed I guess he was at fault for being too far left.

It was a great shot. It started out well wide of the far post and bent back in. I was right behind it.

[Baz]

Can I ask what you mean by competitive advantage?

I''m happy to ask your Q's by PM if that helps?

Im interested to know how a club using sports science correctly, could gain a competitive advantage over the opposition in different areas i.e fitness & technique? Under Hughes we had the fittest squad in the league. Did everyone else catch up, or more likely, did we regress? I seem to remember us training twice a day under Hughes, and both he and Sam talking about making 1 or 2% differences that could make a loss a draw or a draw into a win?

I can understand if its your line of work / research if you wouldnt want it oublishing online, but if that info is freely available then it could be a nice set of articles for this forum?

[Hasta]

What do people think of the first goal? Seeing as the ball wasn't travelling at speed I guess he was at fault for being too far left.

Like Aggy, I was sat right in line with the shot and thought it had been deflected because when he hit it I thought it was going a mile wide. It seemed to ridiculously spin into the corner hence why I thought it was deflected. Obviously side on this isnt apparent as several people have now blamed Kean.

[old darwen blue]

From the Darwen End it looked deflected and spun in. As I have posted earlier I doubt any keeper would have saved it.

[Mike E]

From the Darwen End it looked deflected and spun in. As I have posted earlier I doubt any keeper would have saved it.

Ditto from N01 in the BBE.

[old darwen blue]

We have been gifted at Ewood over the years with some great keepers. Jake Kean is still young but I am impressed with what I have seen so far. Everyone makes mistakes, it what or how you learn from them that is important. As good as Robbo is/was I still think Jake is the better option.

[Amo]

Can't believe people are already calling for Robbo. His best attributes are his shot-stopping and his kicking range. Apart from that he's always been suspect at crosses and shots from distance. I'd rather keep Kean as he's younger, fitter and could mature into a fine 'keeper. Don't forget that goalies hit their peak far later than outfield players. He's bound to make the odd gaffe here and there. As long as it doesn't become a regular habit, that's the main thing.

[Rovers_Dan]

I'd personally bring Robinson back in too.

You can never have enough experience on the pitch.

[Majiball]

Im interested to know how a club using sports science correctly, could gain a competitive advantage over the opposition in different areas i.e fitness & technique? Under Hughes we had the fittest squad in the league. Did everyone else catch up, or more likely, did we regress? I seem to remember us training twice a day under Hughes, and both he and Sam talking about making 1 or 2% differences that could make a loss a draw or a draw into a win?

I can understand if its your line of work / research if you wouldnt want it oublishing online, but if that info is freely available then it could be a nice set of articles for this forum?

Hi Baz,

Firstly it's not really for me to decide if I publish stuff on here. I've been asked before but it all sort of dissipated. I could be persuaded to do some articles as the science is all out there and the only aspect that isn't is putting it all together. But a whole fitness program put into words will be basically a thesis and I'm not sure I can commit that level of work. I'd be happy to do aspects ie say aerobic training, nutrition etc etc if that helps as most of that will just be re=wordings of what I have used in the past. Any good?

It might be an idea if you ask the powers that be?

[Mike E]

Hi Baz,

Firstly it's not really for me to decide if I publish stuff on here. I've been asked before but it all sort of dissipated. I could be persuaded to do some articles as the science is all out there and the only aspect that isn't is putting it all together. But a whole fitness program put into words will be basically a thesis and I'm not sure I can commit that level of work. I'd be happy to do aspects ie say aerobic training, nutrition etc etc if that helps as most of that will just be re=wordings of what I have used in the past. Any good?

It might be an idea if you ask the powers that be?

I'd certainly be interested in reading articles like that. Admin, get on it

[Baz]

Hi Baz,

Firstly it's not really for me to decide if I publish stuff on here. I've been asked before but it all sort of dissipated. I could be persuaded to do some articles as the science is all out there and the only aspect that isn't is putting it all together. But a whole fitness program put into words will be basically a thesis and I'm not sure I can commit that level of work. I'd be happy to do aspects ie say aerobic training, nutrition etc etc if that helps as most of that will just be re=wordings of what I have used in the past. Any good?

It might be an idea if you ask the powers that be?

Yes just some of the aspects, one at a time, would be really interesting.

Admin / mods - Any objections, or best ways to do this?

Thanks Maj.

[old darwen blue]

Fantastic idea in my opinion

oooh 1000 posts!

[darrenrover]

Firstly thank you. I think I see the issue. Despite me saying a negative and focusing on that, I'm not saying things are bad. My viewpoint on life is simple I want to be the best I can be and 2nd place is failure in my eyes. Rovers back then were good, Roden was here as despite our differing viewpoints he is very very good at what he does. Howard then followed and he was also good and steady. Again Neville is decent and a good coach, it's not a disaster at Rovers but is it the best it could be? Do we consider all the angles we can in sports science? Yes we have physical trainers, but were are the mental trainers? The food trainers? I say this as the 3 main disciplines in sports science are psychology, physiology and nutrition and we only have people qualified in one area. they will have some knowledge in the others but it will never be the same level as someone who purely focuses on the other aspects. There are even one or two rare people qualified in all three area's. Do I feel Rovers could benefit by having expertise in this area's. Yes off course we could. why would a player be open and honest about his personal life to the manager (he picks the team if he perceives an issue the player doesn't play) or his staff (they tell the gaffer everything) but he's more likely too to a shrink who cannot tell a soul or he'll never work again. The same with the diet and even then the manager/staff don't really know enough and can only go off what they did or where told. Some clubs (very very rare) educate their players, teach them how to eat, teach them how the trainings will benefit them. I think this is very good if sold to the players the right way, better performance. But most clubs just say run this hard, eat this then and get you head right, man-up. I can't get on board with that. So is Rovers bad, no far from it in the grand scale, but is it all it could be far from it, but that's rare in football period. There's a reason Andy Murray has a team compromising each of the disciplines and a reason he's become what he is today from what he was, talented but lacking. Rovers just like Andy Murray could steal a march on the competition by embracing it all and reap the rewards.

Great post Maj, very informative and a hell of a lot of sense.

I've always considered that a shrink/mental trainer/motivator should be paramount at a football club, particularly Championship level or above.

Most players aren't over endowed with intelligence, are lavished with unimaginable wealth at an early age, it's inevitable that there will be plenty that think they've made it when they really haven't (but have financially) and others that have made it but are no longer motivated. There are many who have walked through our doors in the last 10 years who fall into either category and as Maj suggests, maybe that situation could have been averted had we employed the suitably qualified specialists.

Certainly food for thought, no pun intended.

[Tom]

Got to be said another rank bad piece of goalkeeping today

[Sparky Marky]

He's just too young....someone made a decent shout on Friedel on loan or permanent ....Kean needs to play u21 for a bit longer.

[roversR4ever]

Im not so sure he was that bad today. With Boltons goal you could argue he could have done better earlier and kept hold of the shot, but he did clear the danger.

There were a number of passes before the goal. Boltons full back wasn't picked up or marked closely enough and thats where the goal came from it didn't come directly from a goal keeping fumble or mistake directly. He is young and will make the odd mistake but we do have an ex England goalkeeper coming back so no need to get another keeper in just yet!

[Tom]

Fact is if he held that really simple shot they don't score and we wouldn't have had the nervy 20 minutes

[Baz]

Not only did he fumble the ball in the lead up, thought he could have got nearer the shot for the goal too.

He's promising, but i fear him losing his confidence by not being quite ready to play every game yet.

[roversR4ever]

Yes he possibly could have held the earlier shot but chose to clear it instead but the goal didn't come immediately. After that you can easily argue there are mistakes by outfield players, marking etc. He might possibly have got closer but their fullback had a huge amount of space in our box and that in my mind was a far worse mistake that any of Keans.

Yes I do think he isn't quite in the same form as last season but he wasn't terrible today.

[DE.]

He's definitely too young to be playing regularly in the first team. Doing so could actually seriously damage his potential, as goalkeeping is all about self-confidence and the confidence of those around you.

Friedel back on loan would be great, but not sure Spurs would let him go (or we could contribute in any significant way to the wages they're paying him?). I think we'll be seeing Jake in the sticks for a while yet - at least until Robbo comes back. Hopefully he gets through the Burnleh match without dropping a clanger. That would be terrible.

[Mani]

The Friedel shout is absolute genius...experienced, fans favourite takes the pressure from a rookie goalkeeper for a season..

Having said that a fully fit Robbo could prob achieve the same goal?

[arbitro]

Yes he possibly could have held the earlier shot but chose to clear it instead but the goal didn't come immediately. After that you can easily argue there are mistakes by outfield players, marking etc. He might possibly have got closer but their fullback had a huge amount of space in our box and that in my mind was a far worse mistake that any of Keans.

Yes I do think he isn't quite in the same form as last season but he wasn't terrible today.

The margin for errors is a lot finer for goalkeepers than outfield players and yesterday he should have held onto the ball for what should have been a comfortable save. That said I was happier with his all round game yesterday and his kicking was improved immeasurably.

[darrenrover]

Unfortunately, there's no hiding place for keepers. Any mistake is always highlighted.

It's down to confidence IMO and Jake needs a break to regain his.

Opens the door for a hungry Robbo.

[cesus]

I'm not so sure about Robbo, I still remember the last few seasons when he was regularly beaten on his near post and from a gazillion yards out. Both have flaws, does dropping Kean for Robbo help or hinder Keans development still can't decide.