[Archived] Jordan Rhodes

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

 

There's no use trying to be a smartass if you are no good at it.

By the same measure - no point arguing when your argument is fundamentally flawed.

[Tom]

Sure he scored 4 yesterday

Their first goal took a nick off his head I thought

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

20 goals this season and probably more to come.It all boils down to basics for me....just where the hell would we be without him!

[Stuart]

By the same measure - no point arguing when your argument is fundamentally flawed.

I can only agree with that!

[ABBEY]

20 goals this season and probably more to come.It all boils down to basics for me....just where the hell would we be without him!

What he said

[Neil Weaver]

Sure he scored 4 yesterday

Their first goal took a nick off his head I thought

Yep it did Tom, I was almost in line, didn't realise it was Rhodes till I saw it on telly last night though. If it had been at the other end he'd have been claiming it, that's for sure.

By the way, not sure what he was doing back there, it was from open play wasn't it?

[DE.]

20 goals this season and probably more to come.It all boils down to basics for me....just where the hell would we be without him!

Apparently the rest of the team would score the goals in his absence obviously a logical conclusion to come to considering the evidence of goalscoring prowess across the rest of the squad.

[roverandout]

without his goals, bottom half this season, without his goals last season, we would probably be playing the likes of preston and leyton orient now

[Al]

You seen the goals have you Stuart? I'll reserve judgement till I have. Sounds like on is a flick from a long ball, one is a stood up cross from Conway, and the third is a gift from their player.

Perhaps not a change in style to suit him, just a change in fortune for Rhodes in front of goal.

Well I've seen them and you couldn't be more wrong. 3 well taken goals. And if you want to criticise his previous 3 matches, a goal a game over the last four is fine.

[K-Hod]

Apparently the rest of the team would score the goals in his absence obviously a logical conclusion to come to considering the evidence of goalscoring prowess across the rest of the squad.

The free scoring worldies they are....

[onlyonejackwalker]

Well I've seen them and you couldn't be more wrong. 3 well taken goals. And if you want to criticise his previous 3 matches, a goal a game over the last four is fine.

Is that how you think it works? Play well one game, score more than one, use the extra goal or goals to balance out very poor performances in losing defeats from other games? Quaint.

[Al]

Is that how you think it works? Play well one game, score more than one, use the extra goal or goals to balance out very poor performances in losing defeats from other games? Quaint.

It's how they show it in the press.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

 

without his goals, bottom half this season, without his goals last season, we would probably be playing the likes of preston and leyton orient now

I think the alternative argument is that Rhodes inability to hold up play and lack of pace put the team under more pressure - impacting our ability to attack as a team. Would 2 or 3m spent on a striker with more pace or ability to hold the ball up more have actually made us a bet overall team ? Last season we created so few chances for Rhodes that his eventual record was unbelievable - but was the impact he has on the team, because of his other failings, part of the reason we created so little ?

Personally I am stuck on the fence with this one - IF we can start playing well on a consist basis, he is the icing on the cake that would turn draws into wins. Unfortunately when the team is struggling it is sometimes like playing with 10 men. One thing is certain - never known a 20 goal striker cause so much debate !

[Amo]

Your fit your tactics around the players at your disposal, not the other way around. Rhodes has looked at his sharpest with a number 10 playing just off him. Which is why Bowyer shouldn't have been so hasty in getting Rochina & Judge out the door.

[Al]

Your fit your tactics around the players at your disposal, not the other way around. Rhodes has looked at his sharpest with a number 10 playing just off him. Which is why Bowyer shouldn't have been so hasty in getting Rochina & Judge out the door.

I don't always agree with you but you are spot on with that.

[Majiball]

That's a very salient point Amarillo.

Which begs the question why most managers don't seem to be able to do this? They have a way of playing and stick to it as opposed to developing to suit the players at their disposal.

[Ricky]

Apparently the rest of the team would score the goals in his absence obviously a logical conclusion to come to considering the evidence of goalscoring prowess across the rest of the squad.

How many did Ings and Vokes score last year when they had Austin banging them in????? Just saying.

[Majiball]

How many did Ings and Vokes score last year when they had Austin banging them in????? Just saying.

Some seem unable to see that both sides have merits and neither is really right or wrong. It's all about ego and one-upmanship.

[DE.]

How many did Ings and Vokes score last year when they had Austin banging them in????? Just saying.

Who in our team is going to score the goals? Jason "1 in every 100" Lowe? If Rhodes did get sold or get injured why is the assumption we would drastically change our style to suddenly allow the team more efforts on goal? For most of the season we haven't set up the team in a way that's conductive to Rhodes' way of playing, but would the likes of Gestede have helped create another 20 goals? I can't see it.

[Mike E]

Been relaibly informed by a pal who went yesterday that even without his hat-trick, Rhodes would've been a 9/10 player on the day for his work-rate, chasing and strength. 'Especially as he made Gestede's absence irrelevant when he went off injured. Really stepped it up.'

Well JR, it probably earned you the hat-trick. Keep going lad! 12 games to go, no reason you can't break 30 if you keep it up.

[thenodrog]

I have been thinking the same thing for weeks now. When everybody is fit and playing in their best positions Lowe should be well down the pecking order for a midfield berth. He is though, in my opinion currently our best right back.

Indeed..... and I think I'm our second best right back.... and I'm left footed and packed up 25 years ago!

Personally I am stuck on the fence with this one - IF we can start playing well on a consist basis, he is the icing on the cake that would turn draws into wins. Unfortunately when the team is struggling it is sometimes like playing with 10 men. One thing is certain - never known a 20 goal striker cause so much debate !

True. I've said this any number of times but his weakness is something that can be easiest improved.

Your fit your tactics around the players at your disposal, not the other way around. Rhodes has looked at his sharpest with a number 10 playing just off him. Which is why Bowyer shouldn't have been so hasty in getting Rochina & Judge out the door.

4-5-1! .... I've been banging on about that for eons! Gestede too is more comfortable and effective in that role too imo. wtf Bowyer is thinking of by playing 4-4-2 with two deep sitting midfielders holding hands on the egge of our box and some of our better players getting splinters on the bench I really have no idea.

[Jimmy612]

Well I've seen them and you couldn't be more wrong. 3 well taken goals. And if you want to criticise his previous 3 matches, a goal a game over the last four is fine.

Correct Al, I watched them on the FL show, hence my (I will reserve judgement) - Three very well taken finishes, which we know he is capable of.

Now... the question was, did he score those goals because of a change of system and style from Rovers to accommodate Rhodes? One was still a long ball which Rhodes did well to get onto after a Gestede flick (something we've been waiting to come off since the New Year), one was a stood up cross from Conway, well dispatched (does this point to a change of style?) and one was good work by Williamson closing down their centre half and allowing Rhodes to nick in and finish expertly.

Now, do any of those goals point to a change in style to suit Rhodes or was it simply a day where, when the opportunities came along he showed just how talented he is in front of goal? Take nothing away from him by the way -fabulous finishes all of them. Stuart implied that his goals had come down to a change in style from the team - which goal suggests that to be accurate?

[thenodrog]

Well I've seen them and you couldn't be more wrong. 3 well taken goals. And if you want to criticise his previous 3 matches, a goal a game over the last four is fine.

Hmmm...... is 3 points out of a possible 12 fine too Al? Cos it equates to 34 points over a season and sure fire relegation. "Fine" would not be my description.

[Amo]

Heels well and firmly dug in, eh, Gordon? You're starting to sound very petty and small-minded in your one-man crusade against Rhodes. I will never understand why it is he comes under such scrutiny from critics such as yourself whenever the team has a bad spell, while the other ten players fly under the radar. He's the one player who's consistently performed the job asked of him. He's the guy we should be building the team around, but instead he gets the blame whenever Bowyer bodges his tactics up.

[Neil Weaver]

Correct Al, I watched them on the FL show, hence my (I will reserve judgement) - Three very well taken finishes, which we know he is capable of.

Now... the question was, did he score those goals because of a change of system and style from Rovers to accommodate Rhodes? One was still a long ball which Rhodes did well to get onto after a Gestede flick (something we've been waiting to come off since the New Year), one was a stood up cross from Conway, well dispatched (does this point to a change of style?) and one was good work by Williamson closing down their centre half and allowing Rhodes to nick in and finish expertly.

Now, do any of those goals point to a change in style to suit Rhodes or was it simply a day where, when the opportunities came along he showed just how talented he is in front of goal? Take nothing away from him by the way -fabulous finishes all of them. Stuart implied that his goals had come down to a change in style from the team - which goal suggests that to be accurate?

Fair point Jimmy. Was at the game and frankly it didn't strike me the team did much different in the way of tactics. In some ways the most 'different' goal was Rhodes's third where Willo got up the field and forced their 'quarterback' into a miscontrol that Jordan took advantage of. When's the last time one of our central midfielders did that? Personal view only, but I thought it was only cos we'd scored three and Rhodes was on a hat-trick that Willo chased forward to hassle Clayton (?).