[Archived] England Decline Must End

[donnermeat]

Can someone please explain how this is any different to the Suarez saga?

Suarez knew exactly what he was saying. Take that term out of South America and drop it into the UK and it has a completely different meaning, he knew that and he knew it would get under the skin of his opponent. Hence why he said it because that's the kind person he is (a tw@t).

I won't bother defending the joke (it's context, the lack of racial connotations attached to it etc), as many more already have on this thread, probably more eloquently than I can put it.

Can't believe I got suckered in to replying to a troll. You win.

[FGS5635]

Then you might want to sit back, stop posting in this thread and have another go in a couple of pages. It'll likely have been explained by then.

Well I did as you asked, I took a couple of pages off waiting for some pearls of wisdom from you that would educate me, but alas I am left wanting.

This thread still r be cuckoo and anyone who thinks this is a story clearly lacks common sense and/or has an agenda of their own because its not racist

[Jimmy612]

Not at all. I saw how the media reacted when Suarez was found guilty, I saw how they reacted when the John Terry incident occurred and now the Hodgson one.

Suarez incident was very similar to this in the sense that neither of them were being racist and it was taken out of context. However the fact that Suarez is not English, the general public slaughtered him. I am baffled as to why Hodgson is getting the backing from the same public that scrutinised the best player in the PL.

Hodgson deserves a touchline ban for referring to a black player as a monkey. End of.

Then if that is the case I fully expect Suarez to receive an apology from Evra, the FA, and Kick It Out. However this is a completely different situation as no party have actually implied that Hodgson was being racist, except of course for the coward that ran to that red top rag to publish it.

Townsend is fine, all the players are fine and Kick it Out and the FA are fine. All understanding that once again, a few of over sensitive tossers looking for an argument have decided an age old joke is now racially motivated - That dick head Herbert just wants his name within football and Roberts his being his usual nobody likes us, everybody hates us act. I can't stand the man.

Completely ridiculous and isn't worth the chip paper it is written on.

Hodgson deserves a touchline ban for referring to a black player as a monkey. End of.

Ludicrous and exactly why every one in this country is treading on egg shells every single bloody day. He wasn't even thinking about the colour of Townsends skin when he said it. Why would he? The only people recognising the colour of his skin are the berks that want Hodgson punished - They are the ones that once again bring the game into disrepute. The ones that want to watch every white person to go down in flames every time anyone mentions a monkey or a blackboard or a coffee without milk.

How long until cheeky monkey clothing is forced to change its name? How long until Cheeky Monkeys childrens play areas are forced to re-brand?

Absolutely pathetic.

[Blue n White Rover]

Suarez knew exactly what he was saying. Take that term out of South America and drop it into the UK and it has a completely different meaning, he knew that and he knew it would get under the skin of his opponent. Hence why he said it because that's the kind person he is (a tw@t).

I won't bother defending the joke (it's context, the lack of racial connotations attached to it etc), as many more already have on this thread, probably more eloquently than I can put it.

Can't believe I got suckered in to replying to a troll. You win.

Hodgson knew exactly what he was saying. Take the term out the 1960's era (or whenever it was) and dropping it in 2013 where calling a black person a monkey, is deemed racist.

Like I mentioned earlier, the term Negirito is used as a friendly term in South America. He has used that term with Glen Johnson and other black Liverpool players and they took no offence, however Evra did.

Poor Townsend probably was offended but doesn't want to jeopardise his World Cup spot and international career.

Then if that is the case I fully expect Suarez to receive an apology from Evra, the FA, and Kick It Out. However this is a completely different situation as no party have actually implied that Hodgson was being racist, except of course for the coward that ran to that red top rag to publish it.

Townsend is fine, all the players are fine and Kick it Out and the FA are fine. All understanding that once again, a few of over sensitive tossers looking for an argument have decided an age old joke is now racially motivated - That dick head Herbert just wants his name within football and Roberts his being his usual nobody likes us, everybody hates us act. I can't stand the man.

Completely ridiculous and isn't worth the chip paper it is written on.

Ludicrous and exactly why every one in this country is treading on egg shells every single bloody day. He wasn't even thinking about the colour of Townsends skin when he said it. Why would he? The only people recognising the colour of his skin are the berks that want Hodgson punished - They are the ones that once again bring the game into disrepute. The ones that want to watch every white person to go down in flames every time anyone mentions a monkey or a blackboard or a coffee without milk.

How long until cheeky monkey clothing is forced to change its name? How long until Cheeky Monkeys childrens play areas are forced to re-brand?

Absolutely pathetic.

The FA will not come out and say we have employed a racist. Kick It Out won't come out and say that Hodgson is a racist because I can guarantee that funding for ther campaign will be reduced if they did. Townsend won't come out and say he was offended because he'll be dropped from the team like Rio was.

Had Hodgson called an opposition black player a monkey, that would be deemed racist, however because it's his team mate, it's not? Joke. Double standards from every single one of you if you think Suarez is guilty and Hodgson isn't.

[Jimmy612]

Poor Townsend probably was offended but doesn't want to jeopardise his World Cup spot and international career.

Oh I didn't know you were a WUM. I thought you generally meant what you said. Well I've wasted 5 or 6 minutes of my life here when all you're going to do is say something equally or more ridiculous because you aren't actually being serious about what could unravel into a potentially very serious subject for those involved, if of course Peter Herbert and Jason Roberts were to get their way.

[Blue n White Rover]

I am being deadly serious and those that can't construct a reasonable reply tend to fend me off by calling me a WUM.

Like I said, it's pathetic of those that call Suarez a racist but Hodgson isn't.

[Guest Norbert]

Suarez=Called someone a n_gger. Plain, simple and clear cut.

Hodgson=Used a joke that has some historical basis (at least I believe NASA used apes in their space programme) as a context to describe tactics. It is not necessarily obvious he meant it in a racist context. If mentioning monkeys in the presence of any black/mixed race person in any context in inappropriate then I cannot talk about a wildlife programme I saw to Kris Akabussi for example.

It is not that hard to see Mr Holt.

[Blue n White Rover]

Suarez used the word Negirito. If you have been to South America, you will realise that it is a friendly term with no racial motivation behind it. Suarez used that term with Glen Johnson and other black players who understood the meaning of it.

[dave birch]

Suarez used the word Negirito. If you have been to South America, you will realise that it is a friendly term with no racial motivation behind it. Suarez used that term with Glen Johnson and other black players who understood the meaning of it.

What did Harbajhan call Andrew Symonds?

Can you remember?

Was it considered a "friendly term with no racial motivation behind it", or just friendly banter?

[Parsonblue]

Not at all. I saw how the media reacted when Suarez was found guilty, I saw how they reacted when the John Terry incident occurred and now the Hodgson one.

Suarez incident was very similar to this in the sense that neither of them were being racist and it was taken out of context. However the fact that Suarez is not English, the general public slaughtered him. I am baffled as to why Hodgson is getting the backing from the same public that scrutinised the best player in the PL.

Hodgson deserves a touchline ban for referring to a black player as a monkey. End of.

He didn't refer to a black player as a monkey in a racist way and it's sad that so many people can only think in this way. It's almost as if some folk have been conditioned into thinking that certain words must have a racist meaning whatever the circumstance. The fact that you can't see the difference says more about you than it does about Roy.

[Blue n White Rover]

He didn't refer to a black player as a monkey in a racist way and it's sad that so many people can only think in this way. It's almost as if some folk have been conditioned into thinking that certain words must have a racist meaning whatever the circumstance. The fact that you can't see the difference says more about you than it does about Roy.

I couldn't give a monkey's whether the term was used in a racial manner or not. What irks me is the fact that Suarez was deemed a racist for using a word in his native language which is not racist, similarly to Hodgson. However why is Suarez a racist and Hodgson the innocent one? It's double standards.

[dave birch]

I couldn't give a monkey's whether the term was used in a racial manner or not. What irks me is the fact that Suarez was deemed a racist for using a word in his native language which is not racist, similarly to Hodgson. However why is Suarez a racist and Hodgson the innocent one? It's double standards.

What annoys me is that Harbajhan used the term purely as a racial insult, and to make matters worse, Indian supporters were filmed making "monkey gestures".

Why do you remember one incident and not another?

[Blue n White Rover]

What annoys me is that Harbajhan used the term purely as a racial insult, and to make matters worse, Indian supporters were filmed making "monkey gestures".

Why do you remember one incident and not another?

Do post in the Indian Cricket thread if you wish to discuss further, you know, the one you just created.

Let's leave this thread to just football related incidents.

[Guest Norbert]

Shane Williams would be proud of that sidestep .

[Blue n White Rover]

No side step at all. People complain I clog up threads with unrelated posts, yet they're the ones that bring it up. Like I said, if he wishes to discuss, more than happy to in the appropriate thread. I'm sure the moderators will agree.

[dave birch]

Yes, let's keep it to "football related incidents".

I could reply that discussion about "racist" comments should be discussed in ICBINF, whether they be football related or not. The basis of discussion is not football, it's just that it was raised in a football context, (it could quite easily been in Banking/ Street cleaning et al).

BTW, I created the "Indian Cricket" thread to keep you out of the "Ashes" thread. India does not compete for the Ashes, so let's keep that thread to "Ashes " related issues.

[Amo]

Seriously, are we still doing this?

Suarez used an actual racist remark towards Evra.

Hodgson was talking about a monkey in outer space.

[Speedie Dived]

I couldn't give a monkey's whether the term was used in a racial manner or not. What irks me is the fact that Suarez was deemed a racist for using a word in his native language which is not racist, similarly to Hodgson. However why is Suarez a racist and Hodgson the innocent one? It's double standards.

It's not double standards at all. It's two totally unrelated incidents.

The FA have sacked a manager for his views on disabled people and have recently jettisoned the England captain for racist remarks, if Hodgson had done something wrong he would simply have been sacked.

However, he has told a rubbish old joke, that actually was originally intended to take the mick out of the Irish (astronaut was originally irish), not the god damn bleeding monkey.

[Stuart]

I'd give up Am'o.

Some people want it to be a racist remark.

[thenodrog]

Whilst talking to Andros Townsend, a black player. Clearly a racist remark. Townsend too scared to say anything incase his World Cup spot is jeopardised.

Hodgson has to go.

Do you know Blue n White if we in this country hadn't had mass immigration through from the HMS Windrush to today by countless people seeking a better life for themselves through better education, employment prospects social services, healthcare etc the problem wouldn't have arisen...... and you'd not be around to continually wind up everyone. Just a thought.

[Mike E]

Yr6 at my school are called the 'monkeys' as a class name. I guess that's racist, despite having no black children and only 4 mixed race children out of 33?

[Blue n White Rover]

Do you know Blue n White if we in this country hadn't had mass immigration through from the HMS Windrush to today by countless people seeking a better life for themselves through better education, employment prospects social services, healthcare etc the problem wouldn't have arisen...... and you'd not be around to continually wind up everyone. Just a thought.

If your Grandma had balls...

[thenodrog]

How is it any different to Luis Suarez? I'm sick and tired of the usual nonsense to back up a racist. He called a black player a monkey. In the same way Suarez called Evra a negirito, neither were 'deemed' racist by the offender. However, Suarez was hung out to dry whilst given an 8 game ban. Why does this not apply to Hodgson?

Kin obvious. The relevent word here is 'context'. One was said in an aggressive attempt to insult and wind up and the other was said jovially in an attempt to encourage and motivate. Course you do really know all that don't you?

[K-Hod]

Blue and White Rover in trolling yet again shocker.....

[Blue n White Rover]

Kin obvious. The relevent word here is 'context'. One was said in an aggressive attempt to insult and wind up and the other was said jovially in an attempt to encourage and motivate. Course you do really know all that don't you?

The word used was Negirtio, if you have ever travelled to South America, you will know that it is a friendly term. It was misinterpreted by the FA so they fined him. Now coincidentally, Hodgson has called a black player a monkey in a non-racial way, yet he is deemed innocent.

Will people give over saying I'm trolling. It's getting tedious. I have given reasoning behind every argument I put forward. If you don't like it then you know where the ignore button is. Feel free.