[Archived] Lampard Greatest Footballer in the BPL era

[den]

I don't really understand what you're getting at here, Den. So I'll answer too. I saw him play every home game and a few away. He was the best I'd seen since I started going in 87/89. But I still wouldn't put him in the top 10 players to have played in the Premier League.

Just Batman's daft argument that he can't judge a players ability unless he plays for one of the top sides. You obviously can, I can and everybody apart from Batman can.

[M-K]

pele never played for a big club.

Overrated. In today's game he'd be a poor man's Nani.

[Batman.]

Just Batman's daft argument that he can't judge a players ability unless he plays for one of the top sides. You obviously can, I can and everybody apart from Batman can.

Oh dear den. Friedel was a top top keeper, as I've stated so many times in this thread. All my arguments and points are aimed toward me backing up my opinion that he's not one of the PL's top 20 ever players.

Now, keep digging old boy, anybody with half a brain can see my point, and take my points. If you disagree then fine, but saying United didn't sign Friedel because of Schmeichel is daft, as Friedel joined us after he'd retired, and came to his best form about two/three years later.

Next.

[Majiball]

Overrated. In today's game he'd be a poor man's Nani.

A lesser player than Nani? One assumes you're not being serious?

[Stuart]

Oh dear den. Friedel was a top top keeper, as I've stated so many times in this thread. All my arguments and points are aimed toward me backing up my opinion that he's not one of the PL's top 20 ever players.

If that's your only point, there's not much argument.

I think other people chipping about how 'ok' he was/is have clouded the issue a little.

[Batman.]

If that's your only point, there's not much argument.

Well. I didn't think so, but it seems to have rattled a few people's cages.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

I wouldn't put him in the top 20 either. If you're showing an equal bias to all areas of the pitch, then getting in the top 20 means being either the best or 2nd best in your position since 1992. I'd put Friedel behind Schmiechel and Cech, and about level with Seaman and Van der Sar. Top 50 definitely, but not top 20.

[den]

Oh dear den. Friedel was a top top keeper, as I've stated so many times in this thread. All my arguments and points are aimed toward me backing up my opinion that he's not one of the PL's top 20 ever players.

Now, keep digging old boy, anybody with half a brain can see my point, and take my points. If you disagree then fine, but saying United didn't sign Friedel because of Schmeichel is daft, as Friedel joined us after he'd retired, and came to his best form about two/three years later.

Next.

I didn't say that Friedel didn't join Utd because Schmeichel was there - that should have been easy enough to take in. I did understand you, just disagreed that not playing for one of the Ellie clubs has any reflection on a keepers credentials.

Well. I didn't think so, but it seems to have rattled a few people's cages.

Can't imagine why.

You're as sweet as ever Shiltts😃

[RevidgeBlue]

Overrated. In today's game he'd be a poor man's Nani.

That's arguably the most ridiculous thing I've ever read on here.

Bit like saying Jack Nicklaus was no better than Ian Poulter.

[Al]

Really difficult to compare players across different periods, and trophies won doesn't really show the difference in ability. Right place, right time comes into it. With a great defence, an average goalkeeper can find his tenure lengthened - Hart is a case in point. He wouldn't last two minutes at Rovers.

Here's an interesting comparison though:

2010/11 Season

Van Der Sar/Manchester United - Shots 398 - Saved 365 (92%)

Friedel/Tottenham - Shots 551 - Saved 59 (89%)

Robinson/Rovers - Shots 510 - Saved 55 (89%)

Really not much in it at all and Van Der Sar faced a lot fewer shots more than 20% less. Would he have been as good at Spurs or Rovers? We'll never know...

Sums are not my best subject but those percentages look a bit flawed to me.

[Batman.]

I didn't say that Friedel didn't join Utd because Schmeichel was there - that should have been easy enough to take in. I did understand you, just disagreed that not playing for one of the Ellie clubs has any reflection on a keepers credentials.

Can't imagine why.

You're as sweet as ever Shiltts😃

Round and round and round.

As I've said time and time again, world class players end up at top clubs. Give me a list of those who haven't?

And as for people getting rattled beacuse somebody suggested one our keepers isn't one of the top 20 ever players in our top league is ridiculous, overly bias, and pathetic.

Amazing keeper, top bloke, not one of the best 20. Dee dums. What's your problem?

[Al]

Overrated. In today's game he'd be a poor man's Nani.

That's just @#/?. You are probably too young to have seen the man play.

[Stuart]

Sums are not my best subject but those percentages look a bit flawed to me.

Good spot. I've copies the wrong column for Brad and Robbo (goals conceded). The % saved is correct though.

[thenodrog]

Anyone who has watched the Rovers for long enough knows that Sir Roger Jones is the best keeper we have had in living memory

Got to disagree there Mike. Brad was the best I have seen at Ewood.

[yoda]

Got to disagree there Mike. Brad was the best I have seen at Ewood.

that's what debate is all about

[den]

that's what debate is all about

Doesn't need a debate when he's right.

[Baz]

Can we agree Darren Collier was the worst?

(Fettis for those too young for that)

[Sparky Marky]

This guy we have now is a bit @#/?, if we're on about worst goalies down Ewood....costing us points already.

[Guest Norbert]

Christ almighty. He's had a bad spell and you're saying he's worse than Alan Fettis. Were you one of the people calling for Rhodes to be sold as 'he offers nothing'? Kean may fail, or he may recover the form he had most of last season, but he is young enough to learn and improve.

[Sparky Marky]

Too inexperienced and should be in the reserves....if his confidence gets any lower we're screwed. Get a fit Robbo in ASAP I reckon.

[Guest Norbert]

Whilst I do agree with you that perhaps a spell out of the firing line may help, I do believe he can recover and be a good keeper. As for Robinson, I'd like to loan him for a month or two to get his eye in first.

[Reedy You're A Star]

Got to disagree there Mike. Brad was the best I have seen at Ewood.

What about Flowers? That performance against Newcastle on D-Day was as good as anything I've seen from anyone.

[Audax]

I think anyone speaking disparaging of Pele is just looking to get a rise out of others, he still sets the bar as far as I'm concerned.

All I'd say is there are surely others that deserve recognition too, Garrincha, Leonidas, on and on.

[Silencio]

Can we agree Darren Collier was the worst?

(Fettis for those too young for that)

He was bad. Fettis was bad, as was Robinson, except for one season under Sam. Friedel, Gennoe, Grew and Flowers were the best since the late 80's...

[yoda]

that's what debate is all about

Doesn't need a debate when he's right.

I don't agree, Sir Roger did not have a weakness in his game