[Archived] The Gary Bowyer Thread

[Leonard Venkhater]

You can moan provided that you don't judge. It's a fine line. I've never once said " I don't know why you still go." But it's been said to me, "Youre not a fan because you won't go" It's not even factually accurate because I probably will still go, but not as often and not on a season ticket. That's why I get annoyed. If I didn't care I wouldn't be here trying to find something to lift my spirits enough to make me want a season ticket. I commented to my husband a few days ago that I wish I could find something because in my heart of hearts I don't want to give mine up. I still want to believe that miracles are possible but, where rovers are concerned, even ordinary achievement seems to be missing

Pretty much my position.

If I were a PR person(eek!), I guess the strap line for my own attitude would be "Powerless Passion".

I could apply for a job, as Paul Agnew's shadow. "Come and join the push for pointlessness". Now whenever Bowyer opens his mouth, I want to respond in the drugged words of my favourite rock star:

"I don't believe you !"

[chaddyrovers]

I think people need to accept that Gary is going to be incharge next season, certainly seems to be very confident that he will be and is working on getting some players in (so it looks like he has been told what budgets he has to work with).

I don't believe that he is good enough to get us into top 6, but now that he is staying on I will get behind him. Keanochio was really the only manager that I absolutely hated.

has Bowyer had the meeting with the owners to discuss the budget for the coming season? has he been to Pune or has it been done by Skype/phone?

[West Yorks Rover]

Bad enough searching for a Mr Motivator costume, never mind a mankini ! almost settled on a green goddess outfit but looked like a very unconvincing ladyboy and GB is not in the Kean realms of ridicule.

There's time yet !

Especially if he turns out to be unsackable.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

I believe the 'gone fishing' signs are up around Puna towers atm.

Venkatash is so confused the poor sods just thrown the f'kin towel in altogether.

[onlyonejackwalker]

I believe the 'gone fishing' signs are up around Puna towers atm.

Venkatash is so confused the poor sods just thrown the f'kin towel in altogether.

Entering any new industry is tricky until you know the dance. Inevitably you get your pants pulled down and pay to learn. The trick is minimising the losses until your up and running. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Simply common sense. Not sure why the owners haven't got any.

Rovers could have been an amazing promotional vehicle for the chicken empire. And profitable in three short years. Truly the Raos business master class.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

But that has ALWAYS been the main problem,the interests of Blackburn Rovers football club have always come second to selling bloody Chicken...

It simply shouldn't be happening!!

[Stuart]

Entering any new industry is tricky until you know the dance. Inevitably you get your pants pulled down and pay to learn. The trick is minimising the losses until your up and running. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Simply common sense. Not sure why the owners haven't got any.

Rovers could have been an amazing promotional vehicle for the chicken empire. And profitable in three short years. Truly the Raos business master class.

Spot on. Instead they lurch from one episode to the next.

[martonrover]

I think people need to accept that Gary is going to be incharge next season, certainly seems to be very confident that he will be and is working on getting some players in (so it looks like he has been told what budgets he has to work with).

I don't believe that he is good enough to get us into top 6, but now that he is staying on I will get behind him. Keanochio was really the only manager that I absolutely hated.

Surely what you actually mean is that you'll still go, put up with the bore fest on offer and not heckle him?

Only a tiny minority will actually get behind him with any real conviction.

[K-Hod]

I think people need to accept that Gary is going to be incharge next season, certainly seems to be very confident that he will be and is working on getting some players in (so it looks like he has been told what budgets he has to work with).

I don't believe that he is good enough to get us into top 6, but now that he is staying on I will get behind him. Keanochio was really the only manager that I absolutely hated.

I absolutely will not accept second best for my football club.

[matt83]

I find it very difficult to get 100% behind a manager I believe in my heart to be totally out of his depth. The venkys have been shopping in the managerial pound land since they arrived as a result until they appoint a credible manager for me the club will remain shrouded in misery and uncertainty.

And for all I'm grateful for bowyers initial work he is now just another part of the gloom rather than a beacon of light. I won't go as far as to say I'll jack it all in until the club/venkys start running it properly but before a ball has been kicked I have nothing but pessimism going into the new season.

[Mercer]

Many aspects of life are very simple.

For example, you wont go to a restaurant if you don't like the food and drinks on offer.

Sadly, thousands are adopting the same approach with Rovers as the spirit and soul of the club that existed even in the darkest of times back in the early 1970's has gone.

Bowyer is now a huge part of the problem. I think he is charmless, boring and incompetent and sadly his football team is the same; the product is dross and there is barely a flicker of hope for the future.

I will not get behind Bowyer as I have far better things to do with my time and money. The club needs to show ambition and clear out all these fifth rate coaches and offer some hope to the fans.

[ABBEY]

Personally Shaun i think it is an impossible target.

Nothing in the last two seasons football wise shows that we are improving. Theres been nothing in those two seasons that show Bowyer has learnt from previous mistakes.Nothing that shows that we can kick on and nothing that shows the players can improve. And thats before the possible loss of either/both Gestede /Rhodes.

This so called strong squad maybe hasnt under achieved but was simply not good enough in the first place and that includes the management staff.

We need a very poor Championship to even think of getting anywhere near the top six ...

I'm currently having a break from here and its making life chilled.

However , you say its impossible but Bowyer has already(embargo n all ) said its "Top 6 minimum and hopefully top 2 ". He said it on Radio Lancs.

[davulsukur]

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[JBiz]

I absolutely will not accept second best for my football club.

Then get ready to accept another appointment from within, a speedier decline, and more likely even less quality and fans at Ewood.

When did you go to sleep and forget that a football club is more than one person? Do you think Fergie would have had 20 years of success with "people who can't pick their nose" involved in transfer business, 5000 mile trips for planning, constant downsizing and cheapening, a half full stadium, a "global advisor" etc etc. It's not a direct comparison before your divert response, it's a summation that more than one thing needs fixing if we are to move forward.

Since this is the GB thread, it seems pertinent to remind you that the future rests on more than his shoulders. If you "don't accept" GB, and you shout, boo, cry, march, protest etc to get him out- what is your reaction if the next man is another appointment along the historical lines of Venkys ownership?

It's one thing "accepting second best", and if you are suggesting I, or PB are accepting this- you're wrong. It's called seeing a bigger picture. If you want to aim your derision someone- surely it should be the owners who are responsible for every single problem we've had. They may have been conned, but they opened the door.

[K-Hod]

Then get ready to accept another appointment from within, a speedier decline, and more likely even less quality and fans at Ewood.

When did you go to sleep and forget that a football club is more than one person? Do you think Fergie would have had 20 years of success with "people who can't pick their nose" involved in transfer business, 5000 mile trips for planning, constant downsizing and cheapening, a half full stadium, a "global advisor" etc etc. It's not a direct comparison before your divert response, it's a summation that more than one thing needs fixing if we are to move forward.

Since this is the GB thread, it seems pertinent to remind you that the future rests on more than his shoulders. If you "don't accept" GB, and you shout, boo, cry, march, protest etc to get him out- what is your reaction if the next man is another appointment along the historical lines of Venkys ownership?

It's one thing "accepting second best", and if you are suggesting I, or PB are accepting this- you're wrong. It's called seeing a bigger picture. If you want to aim your derision someone- surely it should be the owners who are responsible for every single problem we've had. They may have been conned, but they opened the door.

You could have just written the bit in bold pal......My derision is aimed at the owners, always has been, but then again you know that already!

You're missing the point and going off on a tangent. Bowyer isn't above criticism, what's the point of football, nee life, without ambition?!

[tomphil]

I'm currently having a break from here and its making life chilled.

However , you say its impossible but Bowyer has already(embargo n all ) said its "Top 6 minimum and hopefully top 2 ". He said it on Radio Lancs.

lol I said it needed pinning on top of this board, appears it's been forgotten already

[1arC]

I'm currently having a break from here and its making life chilled.

However , you say its impossible but Bowyer has already(embargo n all ) said its "Top 6 minimum and hopefully top 2 ". He said it on Radio Lancs.

That's all well ad good, but more comforting if he said, if I fail to achieve this, then I will resign.

[yoda]

That's all well ad good, but more comforting if he said, if I fail to achieve this, then I will resign.

It would be a hell of a lot more comforting if the owners came out and said X is the target and Y is the result for failure and Z is the solution.

[Rover_Shaun]

I can't recall that interview either. Maybe it's lurking somewhere on audioboom?

[K-Hod]

It would be a hell of a lot more comforting if the owners came out and said X is the target and Y is the result for failure and Z is the solution.

It would, but that's assuming they have a clue about any targets and subsequent eventualities!

[yoda]

It would, but that's assuming they have a clue about any targets and subsequent eventualities!

see post 386, GB must have got it from somewhere!

[Rover_Shaun]

I found this on audioboom

https://audioboom.com/boos/3143562-audio-blackburn-onerovers-3-ipswich-2-gary-bowyer

At 4mins 30 talking after the Ipswich game about next season

"We've just said there, erm, it really has to be us that are in the dressing room celebrating getting through to the playoffs, if not better"

[JBiz]

It would, but that's assuming they have a clue about any targets and subsequent eventualities!

Yet the manager still takes the brunt of any criticism, and/or is compared to the unsackable one. The whole scenario need fixing. Getting rid of GB is not the long term answer.

You could have just written the bit in bold pal......My derision is aimed at the owners, always has been, but then again you know that already!

You're missing the point and going off on a tangent. Bowyer isn't above criticism, what's the point of football, nee life, without ambition?!

Ain't off on a tangent, just pointing out that your ignoring everything else. GB should be criticised and praised for whatever he deserves- but "what does he need to do to get sacked?"...

[Stuart]

Yet the manager still takes the brunt of any criticism, and/or is compared to the unsackable one. The whole scenario need fixing. Getting rid of GB is not the long term answer.

maybe not but it could be the start of a solution.

The alternative is that Venkys leave - and we know how that is going to turn out.

I've said it before, I'm sure, but an inadequate manager, with impotent board and inept, ignorant ownership is a really bad combination.

[JBiz]

maybe not but it could be the start of a solution.

The alternative is that Venkys leave - and we know how that is going to turn out.

I've said it before, I'm sure, but an inadequate manager, with impotent board and inept, ignorant ownership is a really bad combination.

Maybe the main difference in our stances is that I don't think GB could be fairly viewed as inadequate when the system above him is an "impotent board and inept, ignorant ownership"

I agree though about the scenario if they leave with debt.. That point makes little sense though if many keep trotting out the "FFP is an excuse" stick.

Please don't rack anymore debt up...