[Archived] The Gary Bowyer Thread

[Stuart]

They are worse than i thought , if they are making decisions without advice , I just can't see how they would be stupid enough to do that despite their track record

Can you be sure they are acting without advice? Until just recently it seemed like they have left the club to its own devices. Is there any possibility that they are still receiving advice from anyone?

[onlyonejackwalker]

Can you be sure they are acting without advice? Until just recently it seemed like they have left the club to its own devices. Is there any possibility that they are still receiving advice from anyone?

Own devices? Mmmm. Not sure about that at all. It's only because there is further cost cutting this lot are all still in a job. They are just cheap and cheerful faux figureheads who do as they are told and expected. It's far easier dismantling something than building it up.

[glen9mullan]

Can you be sure they are acting without advice? Until just recently it seemed like they have left the club to its own devices. Is there any possibility that they are still receiving advice from anyone?

Would not surprise me if they are reading tea leaves

[tomphil]

The interview to me sounds like he's gone into deflection mode again, must have seen how well its worked for our MD and a certain manager previously, wonder how the interview has gone down in Pune Towers obviously if they have listened to it

He went into that mode just after Christmas last season after his toys nearly came out of the pram a few times. All because fans and pundits openly started questioning him for the first time in his tenure, just like any manager gets from time to time. Obviously he's learning off field management quicker than on it

The man is SO boring...

He'd make a reet good snooker commentator that's for sure.

In regards to advice and valuations, oh and flying visits to Zurich ( yes I know they have other business there but still...) it wouldn't surprise me in the least if there is still a rat in the kitchen.

[arbitro]

How on earth can those fools put a value on players (Lukewarm spoke about players meeting the owners valuation) when they haven't a clue about the game or the players. It seems that their strings are still being well and truly pulled and the 'manager' has no say in these dealings.

It's going to be a long, hard season with, I reckon a real scrap to avoid the drop.

And to cap it all I am renewing my season ticket tomorrow.

[chaddyrovers]

CHADDY do you think Bowyer is still in charge of players ?

Thanks for the question Abbey.

I've only just listened to the full interview just now.

Bowyer didn't say whether he approval the Cairney transfer or not. He talks about how cheap we bought him for and how much we sold him for.

But I think the owners will get their Valuations of players from Bowyer and our FD Mike Cheston. They have turned bids for Rhodes and Gestede in the last 12 months.

I will posted Kamy's posts on Bowyer being in charge of transfers.

My source in Pune has told me this week that the owners have approved the sale of any player as long as the sale is approved by Gary Bowyer.

As for transfers, while Venky's need to approve big sales like Rudy and Jordan, if Gary was adamant that he doesn't want to sell the likes of Cairney then these players won't be sold.

I can't see what the fuss is about over the Gestede question. I wouldn't be giving a straight answer on that either as it would undoubtedly come back to haunt you later.

As for taking the finance director along to the interview, come on. That was never going to happen. If the LT wants to ask those questions, they should try and get an interview with FD.

The interviewer also gave him an easy out when he started the question with "This is probably a question for the finance director...."

Bowyer will know the details of Gestede's sale and the impact it will have (if any) on the embargo.

Just because he didn't want to reveal information into the public domain which can be used as a stick to beat him with further down the line, everyone starts moaning.

Totally agree with that

[tomphil]

I don't think a finance director will have any idea on the valuation of any footballer. His only say would be to the owners 'look we need to sell this guy to pay the bills or we need you to give us some real cash quick'. He'll be back saying it again around Jan probably.

[chaddyrovers]

Simon Garner on the job that Bowyer has done at Rovers

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/rovers/news/13367591.Simon_Garner_column__I_admire_job_Blackburn_Rovers_boss_Gary_Bowyer_has_done_in_difficult_circumstances/?ref=mac

[martonrover]

Well someone tweeted a photo of Mr Bowyer at the cricket this evening.

He looked typically overwhelmed and anyone other than Rovers fans would never guess what he does for a living in a million years.

He must be the perfect flunky for Venky's.

No personality, no charisma, no authority.

[West Yorks Rover]

I wouldn't be surprised if Bowyer/Shaw are doing the advising, but they're hardly going to own up to selling our best players.

Only proviso from Pune, to get the best possible price.

[chaddyrovers]

Well someone tweeted a photo of Mr Bowyer at the cricket this evening.

He looked typically overwhelmed and anyone other than Rovers fans would never guess what he does for a living in a million years.

He must be the perfect flunky for Venky's.

No personality, no charisma, no authority.

I don't see why it matters what Bowyer does in his private/personal life.

leave the guy alone

[roverandout]

Yes leave him alone, you might hurt his feewings.

[ABBEY]

Hope gaz didn't have Coronory watching attacking cricket !

[47er]

The thing is that Venkys are not interested in FOOTBALL! Explains why they rarely appear and always leave way before the game ends, one might be but there are 3/4 of them

So why buy a football club? Plenty written about that.

Bowyers job is not a football one in the traditional sense of aiming to to win things, his prime task is to sign cheap and sell for a profit.

Cairney, cost 400000, sold for 4M plus. RESULT!

So Den, he is judged by results, just not the ones won or lost on the field!

Going to lose a lot more fans this way but what does that matter in their scheme of things?

[chris_h]

Well someone tweeted a photo of Mr Bowyer at the cricket this evening.

He looked typically overwhelmed and anyone other than Rovers fans would never guess what he does for a living in a million years.

He must be the perfect flunky for Venky's.

No personality, no charisma, no authority.

FFS. Are you for real?

[Butty]

The thing is that Venkys are not interested in FOOTBALL! Explains why they rarely appear and always leave way before the game ends, one might be but there are 3/4 of them

So why buy a football club? Plenty written about that.

Bowyers job is not a football one in the traditional sense of aiming to to win things, his prime task is to sign cheap and sell for a profit.

Cairney, cost 400000, sold for 4M plus. RESULT!

So Den, he is judged by results, just not the ones won or lost on the field!

Going to lose a lot more fans this way but what does that matter in their scheme of things?

Yeah we sold Cairney for a good bit of profit but that's the first one of bowyers signings to do so. So to say bowyer's "prime task" is to sign cheap and sell for profit is absolute rubbish.

[patrickvalery]

Yes leave him alone, you might hurt his feewings.

What a helpful comment.

Bowyer has clearly had the lad sold despite wanting him to stay. It's not a conspiracy or anything underhand. The owners are watching their fortune disappear and felt this was a fair price. As any other manager would do, Bowyer has tried to explain to the fans whilst keeping himself in employment. Some seem to think he should jack it all in if he disapproves on a moral level. What makes him any different to you and I? Has he not got a family to support?

We are royally fooked right now. The owners are to blame and it doesn't sit comfortably with me that they call the shots. But they do. I don't expect a relatively new manager to stand up and take a stand against them especially as he knows he's probably at a club with the best facilities he'll ever get to work with in order to be a success.

[Gav]

You're all getting frustrated at the wrong person.

Bowyer is doing what he's told, it's

THE OWNERS

that you should be spitting venom at not the manager.

Until they go we're in limbo, get rid of them and the recovery starts.

[joey_big_nose]

You're all getting frustrated at the wrong person.

Bowyer is doing what he's told, it's

THE OWNERS

that you should be spitting venom at not the manager.

Until they go we're in limbo, get rid of them and the recovery starts.

I too don't understand the logic. Bowyer has his limitations but he at least knows what he is doing. He is entirely operating in the constraints of what the owners and the Kean regeime created and doing a okay which after the Kean/Appleton/Berg debacle looks pretty good. Yes, in an ideal world I would go for a more established manager. But a) would one want to come to a club under embargo? If they did how well would they operate under those limitations and the total chaos from ownership and board?

If you look at the clubs that have gone up what is the one thing you see in common? A strong board and management structure with the one exception of QPR who had the luxury of trillions to spend. We just don't have that, and the root is the management.

To my limited knowledge Bowyer is probably the most competent member of staff or board member who the club has. Kick him out and who do we have left?

I know you should judge a manager on the teams performance, but it is extremely difficult to not pin it all to Venkys because they have done such an unbelievably awful job. I feel if we get rid of Bowyer then there is a huge risk situation will hugely deteriorate. A nightmare scenario would be Bowyer being booted and no-mark mercenary a la Appleton coming in. Only marginally better would be Bowyer sacked and a "name" like McCarthy or Pearson or whoever you care to name coming in only to jump ship himself when he sees what a total mess we are in.

If the owners either a) sell and fook off, start taking a sensible interest in the club (but after four years of abject stupidity how likely is that?) , then I will be seriously able to support Bowyer leaving. For now it would give more cause to worry than hope.

[Stefan Hedgehog]

Is this a Blackburn Rovers message board?i find it obscene that supporters cannot back the club in the close season,ok gb may not be jose but he aint no BRIAN KIDD either.tell me one of you guys ,who call bowyer out for being weak,have you stood on a picket line,have you told your bosses what you really feel about them and the company,when you have you can criticise bowyer then,nobody wants to lose a job,weather it £7 a hr or 500k a year,nobody going to risk there job so you and your cronies can smugly call him in the brown cow .

[perthblue02]

Is this a Blackburn Rovers message board?i find it obscene that supporters cannot back the club in the close season,ok gb may not be jose but he aint no BRIAN KIDD either.tell me one of you guys ,who call bowyer out for being weak,have you stood on a picket line,have you told your bosses what you really feel about them and the company,when you have you can criticise bowyer then,nobody wants to lose a job,weather it £7 a hr or 500k a year,nobody going to risk there job so you and your cronies can smugly call him in the brown cow .

Yes I have and then handed in my resignation and went and got myself another job because I was fed up with the bullshit from the company owners , so according to your criteria it's a pass , hope this meets with your approval.

[Stefan Hedgehog]

Yes I have and then handed in my resignation and went and got myself another job because I was fed up with the bullshit from the company owners , so according to your criteria it's a pass , hope this meets with your approval.

good lad that makes two off us,did you resign before you got another job?

[Paul]

Well someone tweeted a photo of Mr Bowyer at the cricket this evening.

He looked typically overwhelmed and anyone other than Rovers fans would never guess what he does for a living in a million years.

He must be the perfect flunky for Venky's.

No personality, no charisma, no authority.

Pathetic comment

[RevidgeBlue]

The thing is that Venkys are not interested in FOOTBALL! Explains why they rarely appear and always leave way before the game ends, one might be but there are 3/4 of them

So why buy a football club? Plenty written about that.

Bowyers job is not a football one in the traditional sense of aiming to to win things, his prime task is to sign cheap and sell for a profit.

Cairney, cost 400000, sold for 4M plus. RESULT!

So Den, he is judged by results, just not the ones won or lost on the field!

Going to lose a lot more fans this way but what does that matter in their scheme of things?

I don't think GB is the man to take us forward as manager any longer, but I do think that this theory about his sole remit being to develop players and sell them at a profit is absolute tosh.

Say he sells a couple of Cairneys a year for 6-7m profit a year. We've been losing c 20m p.a. How is that turning a profit? Even the Rao's must notice that. This stuff about player values increasing might be something GB says tp make his own performance seem less of a failure but I wouldn't have thought it was his overall remit.

[arbitro]

Is this a Blackburn Rovers message board?i find it obscene that supporters cannot back the club in the close season,ok gb may not be jose but he aint no BRIAN KIDD either.tell me one of you guys ,who call bowyer out for being weak,have you stood on a picket line,have you told your bosses what you really feel about them and the company,when you have you can criticise bowyer then,nobody wants to lose a job,weather it £7 a hr or 500k a year,nobody going to risk there job so you and your cronies can smugly call him in the brown cow .

I tick your boxes and will shortly be handed my notice. It is called having principles. Bowyer clearly isn't comfortable with this process and mentioning 'meeting the owners valuation' indicates to me that he is out of the loop. I believe he is prepared to manage under these circumstances because he knows that he, from a footballing perspective is punching above his weight. He strikes me as a very weak person and in the shark infested waters of football you need to be strong.