[Archived] The Gary Bowyer Thread

[Stuart]

Simon Garner on the job that Bowyer has done at Rovers

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/rovers/news/13367591.Simon_Garner_column__I_admire_job_Blackburn_Rovers_boss_Gary_Bowyer_has_done_in_difficult_circumstances/?ref=mac

"I BET Gary Bowyer cant wait until 10.30am every morning so he can just get out of his office and on to the training field and forget about everything embargoes, players going out, players coming in and concentrate on working with the lads."

No surprise at all given that he is a coach and not a manager.

Bowyer has clearly had the lad sold despite wanting him to stay. It's not a conspiracy or anything underhand. The owners are watching their fortune disappear and felt this was a fair price. As any other manager would do, Bowyer has tried to explain to the fans whilst keeping himself in employment. Some seem to think he should jack it all in if he disapproves on a moral level. What makes him any different to you and I? Has he not got a family to support?

We are royally fooked right now. The owners are to blame and it doesn't sit comfortably with me that they call the shots. But they do. I don't expect a relatively new manager to stand up and take a stand against them especially as he knows he's probably at a club with the best facilities he'll ever get to work with in order to be a success.

The problem is that your second paragraph particularly could have been a defence of Kean. We were all reassured that such self-preservation would not happen again. If you want job security the being a football manager must be one of the worst career choices. That said, he has surely made more money than in his wildest dreams so unless he is spending beyond his means then he should be fairly secure.

I will not feel sorry for someone covering for Venkys in order to keep their own position if it means Rovers are suffering as a result. We had three years of that. It wouldn't be so bad if he had a track record on the pitch to fall back on.

Venkys have not made one good decision since they've been here. At least not one that has resulted in an upturn in our fortunes.

Is this a Blackburn Rovers message board?i find it obscene that supporters cannot back the club in the close season,ok gb may not be jose but he aint no BRIAN KIDD either.tell me one of you guys ,who call bowyer out for being weak,have you stood on a picket line,have you told your bosses what you really feel about them and the company,when you have you can criticise bowyer then,nobody wants to lose a job,weather it £7 a hr or 500k a year,nobody going to risk there job so you and your cronies can smugly call him in the brown cow .

Another one who doesn't get that supporting the club can sometimes mean not supporting the manager. This attitude kept Kean in suits and taxis.

[Athlete]

He went into that mode just after Christmas last season after his toys nearly came out of the pram a few times. All because fans and pundits openly started questioning him for the first time in his tenure, just like any manager gets from time to time. Obviously he's learning off field management quicker than on it

He'd make a reet good snooker commentator that's for sure.

In regards to advice and valuations, oh and flying visits to Zurich ( yes I know they have other business there but still...) it wouldn't surprise me in the least if there is still a rat in the kitchen.

The rat in the kitchen the cat still hasn't caught... Yes he's hidden well in the Ewood kitchen pulling the strings

[Mercer]

I don't think a finance director will have any idea on the valuation of any footballer. His only say would be to the owners 'look we need to sell this guy to pay the bills or we need you to give us some real cash quick'. He'll be back saying it again around Jan probably.

More like a weekly request for funds !

IMV, Rovers still a long, long way from resembling a 'normal' football club - I think shadows of 'dark forces' can still be found lurking.

[chris_h]

More like a weekly request for funds !

Any update on that U21 story from a few weeks ago?

[ABBEY]

Is this a Blackburn Rovers message board?i find it obscene that supporters cannot back the club in the close season,ok gb may not be jose but he aint no BRIAN KIDD either.tell me one of you guys ,who call bowyer out for being weak,have you stood on a picket line,have you told your bosses what you really feel about them and the company,when you have you can criticise bowyer then,nobody wants to lose a job,weather it £7 a hr or 500k a year,nobody going to risk there job so you and your cronies can smugly call him in the brown cow .

I have on many occasions. Tell it has it is .

I wouldn't trust brown to be our striker

[Amo]

I don't think GB is the man to take us forward as manager any longer, but I do think that this theory about his sole remit being to develop players and sell them at a profit is absolute tosh.

Then why does Bowyer keep talking about the resale value of the squad? Something redolent of a certain other manager who shan't be named.

If that isn't his remit, what the hell is? ...Promotion?

[Gav]

Then why does Bowyer keep talking about the resale value of the squad? Something redolent of a certain other manager who shan't be named.

If that isn't his remit, what the hell is? ...Promotion?

Think OWNERS toppers, not manager, OWNERS are the problem

[tomphil]

"It's important that we bring some players in to increase the numbers into what remains a competitive squad"

So no sign of people for specific jobs then, parr for the course with a lot of his signings. Just bodies who might get shoehorned into the team somewhere now and again in order to maybe increase their value probably.

A sign of the times, not sure whether that's just his remit or mostly down to him and the various people in the background are sold on it. Either way what's happened with Cairney and may happen with others has seriously strengthened his hand in terms of position whether he had a say in it or not. Very much think now that results and the first 11 are totally secondary to the squad value conveyor belt being set up and now cranking into 1st gear.

It's what the plan was in the first place for various investors but the club was going to be run by Prem money whilst they all bled out their %. What now though ? The fingers in the pie will still get their % whilst we have to painfully watch a team chopped and changed and disjointed on the park every week whilst employing safety first football.

Venkys out !

[Athlete]

Think OWNERS toppers, not manager, OWNERS are the problem

Owners are the problem for employing the whole puppet board and management structure from the board room to the coaching staff..

[tomphil]

The rat in the kitchen the cat still hasn't caught... Yes he's hidden well in the Ewood kitchen pulling the strings

It's a king rat, regular poison won't kill it and as long as it gets fed it'll be around. Only a removal of the entire nest and all it's occupants will do the job.

[Amo]

Think OWNERS toppers, not manager, OWNERS are the problem

That's as may be, but it doesn't preclude us from discussing the manager's job role.

Hughes made us a king's ransom but strangely enough, his number one aim was to achieve the highest possible league finish. It just so happened we made a killing on players because we had a great manager working on a shoestring budget. While in Venkyland, the evidence suggests that results are measured not by winning football matches but the resale value of the players. As Rev rightly pointed out, this is completely counter-intuitive when the club is losing money hand over fist from languishing in the Championship, but since when has anything about this fiasco made sense?

Promotion clearly wasn't the objective, otherwise more decisive action would've been taken in regards to the managerial situation and the looming embargo.

[Gav]

Everything you've mentioned above is the fault of the OWNERS, nobody else.

The sooner we're all united in one common goal, getting rid of them, the sooner the club can start to recover.

Until that time we're divided and weak.

[Baz]

Everything you've mentioned above is the fault of the OWNERS, nobody else.

The sooner we're all united in one common goal, getting rid of them, the sooner the club can start to recover.

Until that time we're divided and weak.

The owners are obviously primarily to blame, however that doesn't mean Bowyer should get a free ride, he and the team are under-performing too.

Every one of us would like the owners to be replaced by someone better, but unless one of us has a couple hundred million spare to buy the club, clear the debts and invest in the team, theres not much we can do about it, bar hope.

Even under current conditions we could attract good managers, and more importantly better quality of people running the club. I think the whole emphasis of things would change if for example venkys got rid of Shaw and somehow persuaded John Williams to come back and give him the remit to run the club as he sees fit?

[McClarky]

I'm afraid that as long as these owners remain we are doomed to fail. Doesn't matter who the manager is. If you're set up to fail then you will fail. They aren't going to make a sensible decision on how the club should be run are they.

[Al]

Thanks for the question Abbey.

I've only just listened to the full interview just now.

Bowyer didn't say whether he approval the Cairney transfer or not. He talks about how cheap we bought him for and how much we sold him for.

But I think the owners will get their Valuations of players from Bowyer and our FD Mike Cheston. They have turned bids for Rhodes and Gestede in the last 12 months.

I will posted Kamy's posts on Bowyer being in charge of transfers.

Totally agree with that

Did you hear the same interview as the rest of us? He clearly said that the decision to sell Tom Cairney was the owners not his. Let's not resort to porky pies to justify what we have stated.

[Gav]

The owners are obviously primarily to blame, however that doesn't mean Bowyer should get a free ride, he and the team are under-performing too.

Every one of us would like the owners to be replaced by someone better, but unless one of us has a couple hundred million spare to buy the club, clear the debts and invest in the team, theres not much we can do about it, bar hope.

Even under current conditions we could attract good managers, and more importantly better quality of people running the club. I think the whole emphasis of things would change if for example venkys got rid of Shaw and somehow persuaded John Williams to come back and give him the remit to run the club as he sees fit?

Its never going to happen Baz and is the reason people are taking out their frustration on Bowyer, he's accessible, an easy target, but its pointless when the real issue lies with the owners.

Forget the debt, its just another reason to let the owners off the hook, we need to unite and force them out, simple as that.

[Al]

Its never going to happen Baz and is the reason people are taking out their frustration on Bowyer, he's accessible, an easy target, but its pointless when the real issue lies with the owners.

Forget the debt, its just another reason to let the owners off the hook, we need to unite and force them out, simple as that.

I for one would love to do that but have no idea how to do it and nobody else has come up with a workable idea. Do you have a plan GAV because I'd love to hear about it?

[yoda]

Its never going to happen Baz and is the reason people are taking out their frustration on Bowyer, he's accessible, an easy target, but its pointless when the real issue lies with the owners.

Forget the debt, its just another reason to let the owners off the hook, we need to unite and force them out, simple as that.

We need to unite and ASK them to put a real structure in place

[RevidgeBlue]

Everything you've mentioned above is the fault of the OWNERS, nobody else.

The sooner we're all united in one common goal, getting rid of them, the sooner the club can start to recover.

Until that time we're divided and weak.

Come on Gav ,you're not living in the real world on this, if the owners went tomorrow there is no Club that can start to recover, at least not what I would term a meaningful level. The only thing that can extricate us from the mess we're in is to secure promotion before the owners lose interest (unless another Jack Walker comes along tomorrow willing to instantly sink 200m into the Club and write it off.)

Trouble is they don't seem to have the first idea to go about it. Too much emphasis being put on the Chief Executive's position, that's almost neither here nor there if your manager isn't good enough. GB has shown himself not good enough imo and the only thing that will start to see us moving forward is a better manager. Then when the embargo ends the owners need to put in enough funding to make our budget competitive at this level, and allow the manager to make the footballing decisions.

If the argument is that a new Chief Executive is required to see the need to appoint a decent manager then fair point.

[Athlete]

Did you hear the same interview as the rest of us? He clearly said that the decision to sell Tom Cairney was the owners not his. Let's not resort to porky pies to justify what we have stated.

Chaddy must of listened to a different interview than the rest of us...

Come on Gav ,you're not living in the real world on this, if the owners went tomorrow there is no Club that can start to recover, at least not what I would term a meaningful level. The only thing that can extricate us from the mess we're in is to secure promotion before the owners lose interest (unless another Jack Walker comes along tomorrow willing to instantly sink 200m into the Club and write it off.)

Trouble is they don't seem to have the first idea to go about it. Too much emphasis being put on the Chief Executive's position, that's almost neither here nor there if your manager isn't good enough. GB has shown himself not good enough imo and the only thing that will start to see us moving forward is a better manager. Then when the embargo ends the owners need to put in enough funding to make our budget competitive at this level, and allow the manager to make the footballing decisions.

If the argument is that a new Chief Executive is required to see the need to appoint a decent manager then fair point.

It doesn't seem like the Rao's actually want promotion so sooner we're shut of them the better

After all this time we don't have a chairman or a CEO it just seems like we have people in positions to satisfy league regulations ..a complete shambles of a set up

We need to unite and ASK them to put a real structure in place

as if they will..think were past that now...but where it all ends up is anyone's guess

[RevidgeBlue]

Then why does Bowyer keep talking about the resale value of the squad? Something redolent of a certain other manager who shan't be named.

If that isn't his remit, what the hell is? ...Promotion?

Yes I'm sure it is in the owners' minds, I'm sure GB hasn't been told his remit is to lose huge amounts of money year upon year. GB has probably told them that he is the man to deliver promotion at some point and they've probably believed him until now. Although you would think the penny would be starting to drop after last season's dismal showing.

[Athlete]

Yes I'm sure it is in the owners' minds, I'm sure GB hasn't been told his remit is to lose huge amounts of money year upon year. GB has probably told them that he is the man to deliver promotion at some point and they've probably believed him until now. Although you would think the penny would be starting to drop after last season's dismal showing.

well that penny can't be dropping otherwise GB wouldn't be in charge.....unless the so called penny the Rao's don't want it to drop !

[Amo]

Yes I'm sure it is in the owners' minds, I'm sure GB hasn't been told his remit is to lose huge amounts of money year upon year. GB has probably told them that he is the man to deliver promotion at some point and they've probably believed him until now. Although you would think the penny would be starting to drop after last season's dismal showing.

Just like the penny should've dropped when Kean almost relegated us in 2011?

[yoda]

Chaddy must of listened to a different interview than the rest of us...

It doesn't seem like the Rao's actually want promotion so sooner we're shut of them the better

After all this time we don't have a chairman or a CEO it just seems like we have people in positions to satisfy league regulations ..a complete shambles of a set up

as if they will..think were past that now...but where it all ends up is anyone's guess

You might be correct, one thing I am sure of though is, they will not be pushed around by mere supporters

[Gav]

We need to unite and ASK them to put a real structure in place

5yrs and counting Yoda, they're NEVER going to put a real structure in place because they don't give a toss about the football club.

People are holding some sort of misplaced hope that Venkys are going to get things right, do the right thing, make amends:

WAKE UP!

IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN PAL...

Come on Gav ,you're not living in the real world on this, if the owners went tomorrow there is no Club that can start to recover, at least not what I would term a meaningful level. The only thing that can extricate us from the mess we're in is to secure promotion before the owners lose interest (unless another Jack Walker comes along tomorrow willing to instantly sink 200m into the Club and write it off.)

Trouble is they don't seem to have the first idea to go about it. Too much emphasis being put on the Chief Executive's position, that's almost neither here nor there if your manager isn't good enough. GB has shown himself not good enough imo and the only thing that will start to see us moving forward is a better manager. Then when the embargo ends the owners need to put in enough funding to make our budget competitive at this level, and allow the manager to make the footballing decisions.

If the argument is that a new Chief Executive is required to see the need to appoint a decent manager then fair point.

The debt has everyone thinking Venkys are our only option, these idiots that destroyed the club, destroyed Jacks legacy, ruined businesses and ruined peoples lives.

WHY?

How many clubs have gone to the wall with massive debts, clubs of our stature? NONE!

It simply won't happen Rev, we need them out of the club pal, simple as that, to keep hoping they'll turn things round is just bonkers to me, 5yrs is enough, we need them out.