[Archived] The Gary Bowyer Thread

[chaddyrovers]

So you are now aboard the venky express to oblivion Chaddy .. ?

yet again Abbey, did I say that?

STOP trying to twist everything.

Also I thought this was the Gary Bowyer thread and not the financial thread

[ABBEY]

Do you want the venkies gone Chaddy ... Yes or no

[T J Hooker]

Sorry to get at you Chaddy but I think this puts your take on whose decision it was to sell cairney to bed(and who has final say on transfers) - http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/13370567.Blackburn_Rovers_boss_Gary_Bowyer_saddened_to_see_Tom_Cairney_go/?ref=twtrec

speaking about gestede- Asked whether he expected Gestede to go, Bowyer said: “In all honesty I hope he doesn’t.

“That’s me but if somebody meets the asking price that’s clearly out of my hands.”

knobby bowyer comments also to me don't really sound like the comments of a proper manager(a manager should only have one objective, to win the next game) he sounds more like a company director banging on about finances, assets, profits.....

[yoda]

Even if Venkys left today, Rovers WOULD STILL NEED a owner who was willing to cover the losses of the club.

Our income doesn't cover our expenditure.

yet again Abbey, did I say that?

STOP trying to twist everything.

Also I thought this was the Gary Bowyer thread and not the financial thread

Why did you post the above about expenditure then ?

[chaddyrovers]

Do you want the venkies gone Chaddy ... Yes or no

Yes but you got to think what next after they have gone.

you need a buyer(one that can afford the club financially properly) to buy the club off the current owners

[Amo]

Yes but you got to think what next after they have gone.

you need a buyer(one that can afford the club financially properly) to buy the club off the current owners

People keep harping on that there's no potential buyers out there. Where's the proof?

[joey_big_nose]

Even if Venkys go tomorrow the debt will still keep racking up. The simple fact is that the cost of running the club far outweighs any income we get in. If Venkys leave we still need an owner who will continue to fund the losses and cover the debt.

Yes the sad irony is that we need Venkys to underwrite the debt.

People keep harping on that there's no potential buyers out there. Where's the proof?

I think the one thing we can all agree on is new buyers should be solicited and found. Is the Rovers Supporters Trust looking at this? I know they were with the two Ians etc

[JBiz]

Do you want the venkies gone Chaddy ... Yes or no

Why is it always so black and white? It's not that simple at all.

[Stuart]

It's not about attacking or defending anything Stuart, to me it's all about having a view of what's happened, what's happening and what may happen.

I still think GB is the best we will get under a structure of self preservation and ignorance. That's not to say he is the best we could get if someone we trusted was involved- ala JWilliams.

What do you honestly see happening if the fans get GB removed tomorrow? If you answer that question under the illusion that we'd get the best possible for our club then you're ignoring the general direction the club has taken since we where flogged.

Let's look at the recent past and the alleged reasons for changes;

Allardyce --> Kean : Jerome Anderson / SEM - both now gone

Kean --> Berg : Shaw and Singh compromise

Berg --> Appleton : Agnew/Shaw alleged interference

Appleton --> Bowyer : Singh alleged interference

Bowyer --> ? : Assuming Venkys don't care then it would just be Shaw. Despite concerns about his abilities he doesn't have a terrible track record.

Should we really be looking to the past so much with that many changes behind the scenes?

[ABBEY]

Yes but you got to think what next after they have gone.

you need a buyer(one that can afford the club financially properly) to buy the club off the current owners

The answer was a yes or no not a but blah blah

[chaddyrovers]

The answer was a yes or no not a but blah blah

but Abbey the question isn't just so simple as Black or White tho Abbey.

You have to consider to what would or could happen if Venkys did leave Rovers and what would happen to the club financially and would they been any interested Buyers

[Stuart]

but Abbey the question isn't just so simple as Black or White tho Abbey.

You have to consider to what would or could happen after they leave and what would happen to the club financially and would they been any interested Buyers

Newsflash. They are going to leave, it's just when and how.

The best way would have been following promotion, the worst, liquidation. Most likely at this stage, administration then struggling along financially in League One with 10 points deducted.

[JBiz]

Let's look at the recent past and the alleged reasons for changes;

Allardyce --> Kean : Jerome Anderson / SEM - both now gone

Kean --> Berg : Shaw and Singh compromise

Berg --> Appleton : Agnew/Shaw alleged interference

Appleton --> Bowyer : Singh alleged interference

Bowyer --> ? : Assuming Venkys don't care then it would just be Shaw. Despite concerns about his abilities he doesn't have a terrible track record.

Should we really be looking to the past so much with that many changes behind the scenes?

That time period just says to me that we need someone who knows these leagues, this club, this area- who cares about the club, who's intentions are for the club and had the respect of the fans.

That's even before I'd consider managers, coaches, scouts, players etc.

If we sack GB and go down a similar path to the one you've painted... It's only ending in one way! "News flash" indeed!

If they change paths, get the correct advice and structure- my opinion on the outcome of changing manager may change.

Do I think Mick Mc or the like would get more out of these players? Yes.

Do I think this structure and ownership has the nous, intention, motive and care to find one of those that will improve on Gary? No.

Do I think there is more chance of GB eventually getting us promoted in this climate than this structure finding someone else who will? Yes.

Why, you may ask? Well that's difficult to explain but it boils down to GB showing at least (being cruel) a modicum of quality and expertise in some areas.

Those above have only ever failed. When your owners call their own employee "rogue" in court, and still keep him in situ- it makes you think that perhaps the priority of change is in the boardroom not training ground.

This is not defending or attacking anyone or thing, it's taking a leaf from Roy Walker.

Say what you see.

[gumboots]

That time period just says to me that we need someone who knows these leagues, this club, this area- who cares about the club, who's intentions are for the club and had the respect of the fans.

That's even before I'd consider managers, coaches, scouts, players etc.

If we sack GB and go down a similar path to the one you've painted... It's only ending in one way! "News flash" indeed!

If they change paths, get the correct advice and structure- my opinion on the outcome of changing manager may change.

Do I think Mick Mc or the like would get more out of these players? Yes.

Do I think this structure and ownership has the nous, intention, motive and care to find one of those that will improve on Gary? No.

Do I think there is more chance of GB eventually getting us promoted in this climate than this structure finding someone else who will? Yes.

Why, you may ask? Well that's difficult to explain but it boils down to GB showing at least (being cruel) a modicum of quality and expertise in some areas.

Those above have only ever failed. When your owners call their own employee "rogue" in court, and still keep him in situ- it makes you think that perhaps the priority of change is in the boardroom not training ground.

This is not defending or attacking anyone or thing, it's taking a leaf from Roy Walker.

Say what you see.

I'm sorry. I can't stand it any longer. I once got a pm from toppers checking that the pics he puts on don't offend me. Nice of him to ask and they don't. However, every time I try to read one of your posts i have to look at Barry Manilow. Can you please ditch him for somenoe less offensive. at the moment I can't read to the end of your posts.

[Stuart]

That time period just says to me that we need someone who knows these leagues, this club, this area- who cares about the club, who's intentions are for the club and had the respect of the fans.

That's even before I'd consider managers, coaches, scouts, players etc.

If we sack GB and go down a similar path to the one you've painted... It's only ending in one way! "News flash" indeed!

If they change paths, get the correct advice and structure- my opinion on the outcome of changing manager may change.

Do I think Mick Mc or the like would get more out of these players? Yes.

Do I think this structure and ownership has the nous, intention, motive and care to find one of those that will improve on Gary? No.

Do I think there is more chance of GB eventually getting us promoted in this climate than this structure finding someone else who will? Yes.

Why, you may ask? Well that's difficult to explain but it boils down to GB showing at least (being cruel) a modicum of quality and expertise in some areas.

Those above have only ever failed. When your owners call their own employee "rogue" in court, and still keep him in situ- it makes you think that perhaps the priority of change is in the boardroom not training ground.

This is not defending or attacking anyone or thing, it's taking a leaf from Roy Walker.

Say what you see.

Sorry but its blindingly obvious that we have a coach/scout in charge when we need a manager. We are only really arguing about how we get there.

In the red corner, we are forced to stick with Venkys and need them to act. Let's face it we don't have a board worthy of the title, just an administrative department to placate the League. The Williams Letter all but confirmed that. They have to see sense and get a proper manager in.

In the blue corner, we need new owners, in the short term. Ones that actually care about the club and are prepared to bring in a respected board to run the football club. They then need to attract the best manager that they can for a club of our standing and history. There are probably 30 or 40 better jobs in the English game and there are a heck of a lot more managers than that.

I wonder how long Bowyer can keep us in this division. We could be having this discussion on an annual basis just with poorer and poorer players replacing any quality we have. That's if the messageboard doesn't go the same way as the general attendance at Ewood. Apathy reigns and Bowyer is King.

[patrickvalery]

Even if Venkys go tomorrow the debt will still keep racking up. The simple fact is that the cost of running the club far outweighs any income we get in. If Venkys leave we still need an owner who will continue to fund the losses and cover the debt.

We be do in our current predicament Parson. But, for the first time in years we were on the cusp of becoming self sufficient. Then Venkys rocked up and pulled the rug from under us. When we got relegated the TV rights went through the roof. Under sound management and a prudent board of directors, we had fought tooth and nail to stay on the gravy train. If only those fecking eejits had bothered to look beyond the ends of their noses, they would have seen it and would now be faces with an asset worth more than they paid for it and worth some kudos in the circles they move in. It's what makes the whole thing even more frustrating. As owners not wanting to chuck a kings ransom at the job they had the perfect board of directors and the perfect manager. With the extra income we could have loosened the purse strings a little and still coined it in. It really wasn't a difficult notion to understand. Yet they rogered it nonetheless.

[West Yorks Rover]

I'm sorry. I can't stand it any longer. I once got a pm from toppers checking that the pics he puts on don't offend me. Nice of him to ask and they don't. However, every time I try to read one of your posts i have to look at Barry Manilow. Can you please ditch him for somenoe less offensive. at the moment I can't read to the end of your posts.

How about Liberace ?

[JBiz]

I'm sorry. I can't stand it any longer. I once got a pm from toppers checking that the pics he puts on don't offend me. Nice of him to ask and they don't. However, every time I try to read one of your posts i have to look at Barry Manilow. Can you please ditch him for somenoe less offensive. at the moment I can't read to the end of your posts.

Why not Pm as opposed to taking a decent discussion off topic? I didn't give myself the forum nickname so when it changes the avatar will.

[roverandout]

Do you want the venkies gone Chaddy ... Yes or no

Don't ask that, all we will get is

'Yeah, but, no but, yeah but, no but, because you know that whole other thing, well Gary bowyer right when into Mrs D's office and that whole other thing with ffp, SHUT AAP I was gettin to thaat...so rude, well anyway dont listen to shaw cause gary bowyer caught him in bed with agnew sucking on his lollipop'

[gumboots]

Why not Pm as opposed to taking a decent discussion off topic? I didn't give myself the forum nickname so when it changes the avatar will.

I've no idea what nickname you're talking about and I don't usually take discussions off topic. I just really can't stand the sight of manilow. Besides which what's interesting about a Gary bowyer topic?

[JBiz]

I wonder how long Bowyer can keep us in this division. We could be having this discussion on an annual basis just with poorer and poorer players replacing any quality we have. That's if the messageboard doesn't go the same way as the general attendance at Ewood. Apathy reigns and Bowyer is King.

Maybe bowyer will get better before either of the other two can happen. If he keeps us at this level whilst quality reduces and costs come back in line- how could it be anything but a reasonable success? The future of the club rests on a return to sanity from top to bottom. Not just replacing GB with *insert one of 30/40 managers name here*

You could argue that as a complete lack of expectation or ambition, but I think the sad reality is that the criminal misdeeds, broken structure and lack of decision making that has put us back 30 years.

If Venkys have to make more decisions like the ones they already have, I fear that we will go even further backwards. No idea what the answer is but I want Venkys to either come out and admit the mistakes and hire someone who cares like JW to run the club or cut their losses, leave enough money in the accounts to pay up contracts signed under their ownership and eff off. I'm not sure of the likelihood of either of them other than probably just as unlikely as someone within the club having the gravitas to find that correct appointment within the constraints and set the correct expectations.

When the season starts, as you know- opinions on managers can change in 5 games sometimes. If GB takes us hurtling backwards, I will be extremely worried about the past repeating itself.

As you also know, it can still go the other way under GB. Whilst it would be miraculous if he gets a "Bournemouth" season out of us, it's not impossible to think we could get 10/15 more points and get in the playoffs.

Providing one striker stays out of the two, I don't think this such a far fetched prediction for next season. It would be far more than 9/2 at the bookies also if this league and our fortunes where as easy to predict as many here think,

I've no idea what nickname you're talking about and I don't usually take discussions off topic. I just really can't stand the sight of manilow. Besides which what's interesting about a Gary bowyer topic?

Abbey gave me the manilow nickname but someone changed my member title to suit.

[den]

Maybe bowyer will get better before either of the other two can happen. If he keeps us at this level whilst quality reduces and costs come back in line- how could it be anything but a reasonable success?

We didn't need someone to keep us at this level. We needed someone with ambition and ability to take us back up.

Seems like operation dumbdown is working.

[JBiz]

We didn't need someone to keep us at this level. We needed someone with ambition and ability to take us back up.

Seems like operation dumbdown is working.

I wouldn't call it operation dumb down. I'd call it operation "steal 100m from a football club."

Are we to ignore the consequences with our expectations?

[wolfie]

I think we should try and get Nigel Pearson in, would keep a few players on their toes...

[Leonard Venkhater]

I think we should try and get Nigel Pearson in, would keep a few players on their toes...

That's because you are an ostrich LOL