[Archived] The Gary Bowyer Thread

[Parsonblue]

Most of our best performances last season came when there was nothing to lose and our manager couldn't settle for a point.

There were a number of decent performances early season when there was everything to play for.

[Waggy76]

Bournemouth cannot think of another one !

[Leonard Venkhater]

I must admit that what I found curious about last season was that some of our better performances came away from home. We seemed to play with greater freedom for some reason.

Do you think the best was the first half at Bolton? It certainly showed a lot of people what this team could do.It seemed so indicative that Rovers contrived to lose that game!

Then, of course, you get something like Brentford, where so many fans turned up ...and the team just didn't.

I know that for 3 years here has been something really stale and dead about the home atmosphere. I guess that won't help performances at Ewood, but it is for another thread to analyse what has caused that!

The whole club needs a spark. A catalyst. For me, that requires leadership and a change that people can unite behind....

[Rover_Shaun]

Saw a game on the park. One team were 2 down but came back to win 4-2. Two men with whippets and me watching. They showed you need heart to perform. Attendancess are a convenient excuse for lack of balls

[JBiz]

Do you think the best was the first half at Bolton? It certainly showed a lot of people what this team could do.It seemed so indicative that Rovers contrived to lose that game!

Then, of course, you get something like Brentford, where so many fans turned up ...and the team just didn't.

I know that for 3 years here has been something really stale and dead about the home atmosphere. I guess that won't help performances at Ewood, but it is for another thread to analyse what has caused that!

The whole club needs a spark. A catalyst. For me, that requires leadership and a change that people can unite behind....

I thought our best 90 mins away was Fulham because of the way in which we controlled the game - only a 1-0 win though. Sheff Wednesday and leeds could also be up there for 90 min displays but I'd have to agree the first have against Bolton was the best.

IMO, the worst away performance was against Rotherham. Lethargic, mistake ridden and basically out worked by a team of grafters. I went with KHod and it certainly was a miserable drive home.

I'm in agreement when people say a different manager would get more, but I don't think the catalyst you speak of will be found when decisions are made the way they are.

The catalyst I think we need is in the background- someone who we trust, who can say "decisions from now on will be made with the best interests of the club".

The only alternative to that, is a total change of ownership which is just as much of a coin flip as this lot changing manager. The propensity to get better is there, but the chance of it getting much worse, much quicker? Needs to be acknowledged.

I said to Stuart a few weeks back that things can change very quickly. We could be top after ten games, or equally we could be bottom. I'd be very worried if that happens under Bowyer, because I've seen this lot appoint before - downgrade in quality and expense.

Saw a game on the park. One team were 2 down but came back to win 4-2. Two men with whippets and me watching. They showed you need heart to perform. Attendancess are a convenient excuse for lack of balls

You watched a game?

[Rover_Shaun]

Waheyy!

And a Brig one back in Jan

[Parsonblue]

Do you think the best was the first half at Bolton? It certainly showed a lot of people what this team could do.It seemed so indicative that Rovers contrived to lose that game!

Then, of course, you get something like Brentford, where so many fans turned up ...and the team just didn't.

I know that for 3 years here has been something really stale and dead about the home atmosphere. I guess that won't help performances at Ewood, but it is for another thread to analyse what has caused that!

The whole club needs a spark. A catalyst. For me, that requires leadership and a change that people can unite behind....

I thought the game at Forest, early season, was the best. I agree about Bolton and Watford away was another we dominated and contrived to throw it away.

[barry_]

I hope that this inept, passionless turnip realises just what he has done to this club. What a wnaker

[patrickvalery]

Dear God. Can you really .... I mean do you really think that? I'm speechless. Speechless I tells ya.

[Mike Graham]

I thought our best 90 mins away was Fulham because of the way in which we controlled the game - only a 1-0 win though. Sheff Wednesday and leeds could also be up there for 90 min displays but I'd have to agree the first have against Bolton was the best.

IMO, the worst away performance was against Rotherham. Lethargic, mistake ridden and basically out worked by a team of grafters. I went with KHod and it certainly was a miserable drive home.

I'm in agreement when people say a different manager would get more, but I don't think the catalyst you speak of will be found when decisions are made the way they are.

The catalyst I think we need is in the background- someone who we trust, who can say "decisions from now on will be made with the best interests of the club".

The only alternative to that, is a total change of ownership which is just as much of a coin flip as this lot changing manager. The propensity to get better is there, but the chance of it getting much worse, much quicker? Needs to be acknowledged.

I said to Stuart a few weeks back that things can change very quickly. We could be top after ten games, or equally we could be bottom. I'd be very worried if that happens under Bowyer, because I've seen this lot appoint before - downgrade in quality and expense.

You watched a game?

Not too sure about the Leeds game JB.

We were being well and truly outplayed until Leeds had a stupid sending off which unsettled their team and balance. Unfortunately I still remember the games like Rotherham and Brentford away as some of the worst footie I have seen in years from Rovers.

Our best performance was 45 minutes at home against Bournemouth.

[JBiz]

I think a lowered expectation and pressure at home could result in better performances this season. There's obviously more to it than that but if GB is "learning" like all good professionals should, in theory could improve.

If we lose the top two strikers, I'm worried but hopefully a prem club will see that void as a perfect way to blood one of their young strikers.

That's one of the main problems with GB IMO that doesn't get mentioned enough - if he had rep with a big club or manager (like karanka with Jose, got him Bamford/Kalas last season) we'd have more loan options.

I hope that this inept, passionless turnip realises just what he has done to this club. What a wnaker

Yea GB what a criminal, mastermind all along.

[SoldierMo]

Im really starting to turn on GB soo obvios hes not good enough

[47er]

I think a lowered expectation and pressure at home could result in better performances this season. There's obviously more to it than that but if GB is "learning" like all good professionals should, in theory could improve.

If we lose the top two strikers, I'm worried but hopefully a prem club will see that void as a perfect way to blood one of their young strikers.

That's one of the main problems with GB IMO that doesn't get mentioned enough - if he had rep with a big club or manager (like karanka with Jose, got him Bamford/Kalas last season) we'd have more loan options.

Yea GB what a criminal, mastermind all along.

Yep,"lowered expectation" is just what we need. Totally appropriate for the circumstances we're in.

[AllRoverAsia]

The Ewood Park Experimental School for Wannabe Managers - no previous experience in football management required, if you 'learn' you may in theory improve.

The School Motto is - JUST GIVE IT A RIGHT GOOD GO

[JBiz]

Yep,"lowered expectation" is just what we need. Totally appropriate for the circumstances we're in.

It's not what we need as fans but I mean that we finished 2013/14 really well so we all had ambitions of promotion.

A lesser 2014/15 followed by a dreadful summer is bound to lower expectation and this may help home performances!

I'm not the only one who's noticed that we exude more freedom and less pressure away from home.

All rover Asia- in that case aren't we better with what we've got. Damien Johnson might be a good manager though....

[Stuart]

I think a lowered expectation and pressure at home could result in better performances this season. There's obviously more to it than that but if GB is "learning" like all good professionals should, in theory could improve.

If we lose the top two strikers, I'm worried but hopefully a prem club will see that void as a perfect way to blood one of their young strikers.

That's one of the main problems with GB IMO that doesn't get mentioned enough - if he had rep with a big club or manager (like karanka with Jose, got him Bamford/Kalas last season) we'd have more loan options.

Keep clinging onto that ledge Joe, my mate.

Noted that lower expectation and "pressure" (is Bowyer really under any pressure?) are seen as a positive for Bowyer though.

[JBiz]

Keep clinging onto that ledge Joe, my mate.

Noted that lower expectation and "pressure" (is Bowyer really under any pressure?) are seen as a positive for Bowyer though.

I'm not seeing it as a positive for bowyer Stuart thats the difference between me and you, it's not about defending or criticising the guy.

Reality tells me he's here for at least the start of this season so looking at how we may perform, the lack of expectation may lead to an improvement in results.

That's not me saying "we should stick with GB because"

Those discussions are pointless under this ownership as I've said many times.

[Roverall]

Bowyer's anaemic personality gets more annoying by the day as he drifts along blandly under the current sham, bleating about FFP and talking about players' values. I could never dislike anyone on the scale of Kean, but Bowyer's timidity and posturing is really beginning to grate...

[ABBEY]

Yay lets lower expectations .. And folk say in negative , Christ almighty how low should we accept ?

Lower expectations is the psyche of a real loser

[T J Hooker]

try looking at it as 'more realistic' expectations instead of just lower.

[mustard]

I'm not seeing it as a positive for bowyer Stuart thats the difference between me and you, it's not about defending or criticising the guy.

Reality tells me he's here for at least the start of this season so looking at how we may perform, the lack of expectation may lead to an improvement in results.

That's not me saying "we should stick with GB because"

Those discussions are pointless under this ownership as I've said many times.

Bowyer, IMO, has yet to improve since he took over as caretaker. I'd say the quality of both football and results has declined over the last two seasons. That's not to say Bowyer doesn't have his qualities, he's made a handful of decent signings. BUT, where it matters, he has declined and continues to do so. His tactics, subs, etc. All appear to have gone downhill IMO. I'm not convinced he will improve as a manager whilst at Rovers.

IMO, with the sounds being made by Rudy and Rhodes, the fact Cairney has left and the colossal likelihood that other players are also unhappy with the situation at Ewood, the time has come where we need a motivator more than ever. There were times last season I thought Bowyer had lost the dressing room and I firmly believe it to be the case now. I think the players are aware that Bowyer is tactically poor and he doesn't strike me as an intelligent nor inspirational man. I am sure they've sussed this and until we get a manager in who can rally the players, we will never see improvements on the pitch.

This is the GB thread so I won't even get started on Shaw, Venky's etc. Just to corroborate what others have said RE Shaw and Bowyer's comments in the LT. It's clear they want rid of Rhodes, these men don't appear to understand how to be subtle and their comments left a bitter taste in my mouth.

[RevidgeBlue]

Bowyer, IMO, has yet to improve since he took over as caretaker. I'd say the quality of both football and results has declined over the last two seasons. That's not to say Bowyer doesn't have his qualities, he's made a handful of decent signings. BUT, where it matters, he has declined and continues to do so. His tactics, subs, etc. All appear to have gone downhill IMO. I'm not convinced he will improve as a manager whilst at Rovers.

IMO, with the sounds being made by Rudy and Rhodes, the fact Cairney has left and the colossal likelihood that other players are also unhappy with the situation at Ewood, the time has come where we need a motivator more than ever. There were times last season I thought Bowyer had lost the dressing room and I firmly believe it to be the case now. I think the players are aware that Bowyer is tactically poor and he doesn't strike me as an intelligent nor inspirational man. I am sure they've sussed this and until we get a manager in who can rally the players, we will never see improvements on the pitch.

This is the GB thread so I won't even get started on Shaw, Venky's etc. Just to corroborate what others have said RE Shaw and Bowyer's comments in the LT. It's clear they want rid of Rhodes, these men don't appear to understand how to be subtle and their comments left a bitter taste in my mouth.

Do you think GB is on a %age of player sales mustard? That's the only explanation I can give to his bizarre indifference to Rhodes' potential departure. In fact he seems to be finding it a struggle to stay on the side of indifferent.

I'm fairly sure Holloway was on a similar deal at Blackpool when he was there. Presumably a reward for unearthing cheap players and selling them at a big profit. But we've seen what happened to them. Recipe for disaster.

[arbitro]

Do you think GB is on a %age of player sales mustard? That's the only explanation I can give to his bizarre indifference to Rhodes' potential departure. In fact he seems to be finding it a struggle to stay on the side of indifferent.

I'm fairly sure Holloway was on a similar deal at Blackpool when he was there. Presumably a reward for unearthing cheap players and selling them at a big profit. But we've seen what happened to them. Recipe for disaster.

I was criticised on here when I mentioned something I heard from a friend who works in the football industry. He told me that both Shaw and Bowyer will gain financially if Rhodes is sold. This emerged following on from the contract extension for Rhodes last summer which seemed strange at the time given that Rhodes still had a couple of years left.

[tomphil]

Shaw was credited at the time with having a hand in getting Rhodes here due to his connections with people at Huddersfield. Behind the scenes he's also been active in trying to move him on several times. Not hard to fathom why .

[ABBEY]

try looking at it as 'more realistic' expectations instead of just lower.

Don't let the clickers best you ! Yes we argue but that was only common thing we have

Shaw was credited at the time with having a hand in getting Rhodes here due to his connections with people at Huddersfield. Behind the scenes he's also been active in trying to move him on several times. Not hard to fathom why .

Trough snuffing nob end parasite

Do you think GB is on a %age of player sales mustard? That's the only explanation I can give to his bizarre indifference to Rhodes' potential departure. In fact he seems to be finding it a struggle to stay on the side of indifferent.

I'm fairly sure Holloway was on a similar deal at Blackpool when he was there. Presumably a reward for unearthing cheap players and selling them at a big profit. But we've seen what happened to them. Recipe for disaster.

I don't know for sure but I would bet everything on him being