[Archived] The Gary Bowyer Thread

[Mattyblue]

It may come as a surprise Abbey but there are quite a lot of die-hard Rovers supporters who believe that Bowyer has done a decent job considering the environment that he is working in. At the end of the day we all have different views on managers, players, owners, etc. It's part and parcel of following a club.

There is Parson, but there is also a hell of a lot of die hards I know that think he's not up to it.

Difference between this place and 'real lfe' is that there is probably more respect for Bowyer than there is on here, he is seen as a good club man and that it is the owners that are too blame for keeping him in position.

[Coatbridge rover]

I've followed rovers from afar for years one off my 1st games was the return off Fred Pickering I go back that long.You lot try and bully anyone who has a real interest in the club,I suggest that you go back to supporting the man utds and Liverpools of the world.

[Mike E]

Quite right K-Hod.

[K-Hod]

Disappointing from Abbey, Amarillo, Athlete and Iceman.

Play the ball, not the man. Remember the respect thread etc etc.

A few people are going in a bit hard to carry on with your metaphor, but the respect thing goes both ways Mike!

[martonrover]

I've followed rovers from afar for years one off my 1st games was the return off Fred Pickering I go back that long.You lot try and bully anyone who has a real interest in the club,I suggest that you go back to supporting the man utds and Liverpools of the world.

Saying stuff like that is just as bad.Two wrongs don't make a right.

Whilst you are perfectly entitled to write from a positive perspective, folk with the opposite standpoint (myself included) wouldn't be so angry and frustrated if we didn't care about the club.

[Gav]

I've followed rovers from afar for years one off my 1st games was the return off Fred Pickering I go back that long.You lot try and bully anyone who has a real interest in the club,I suggest that you go back to supporting the man utds and Liverpools of the world.

With all due respect you're not going to make many friends on here coming out with cr@p like that Coatbridge, its not a willy waving contest, we have fans that started watching us in the 40's on here, so going back to Fred Pickerings day isn't that long ago.

By all means post, but lets not start slagging people off after 22 posts

[LewisF]

I've followed rovers from afar for years one off my 1st games was the return off Fred Pickering I go back that long.You lot try and bully anyone who has a real interest in the club,I suggest that you go back to supporting the man utds and Liverpools of the world.

Pretty daft remark, considering this is a rovers messageboard therefore most people on here support rovers (not the "man utds and liverpools of the world)

[ABBEY]

It may come as a surprise Abbey but there are quite a lot of die-hard Rovers supporters who believe that Bowyer has done a decent job considering the environment that he is working in. At the end of the day we all have different views on managers, players, owners, etc. It's part and parcel of following a club.

You really think he's a diehard ?

[JBiz]

Berg's misfortune was the timing.

Who immediatly followed Berg and changed the results around entirely?

In my humble opinion, describing GBs tenure as an "unmitigated failure" is wrong.

The expectation may have been promotion, but we should all remember that the trajectory was never pointing up.

GB is one of the only reasons why many of us have even considered promotion as an option. Arresting slide, fixing elements of the squad and returning a worth ethic and spirit.

He's not done everything right by a long stretch and this last season would have been enough for me in a scenario where you know those above have the spine to find better. The scenario is anything but that I'm afraid, and whether Abbey thinks it's a dingle or not - I have to agree with coats about liking GB.

Football can change quickly and if we are rock bottom at the beginning of September id fear the worst. If GB loses the dressing room (something Berg and Appleton never even acquired) I'd be a lot more worried about the future because we could see another "Kean" situ wher GB becomes unsackable or we could see another underwhelming appointment.

I'm glad though the difference with GB (regardless of Athlete and Jals suggestion) is that we know he's in it for footballing reasons not bank account.

How do I know this you ask? I don't for sure, but from what I've read, GBs history at the club and watching the money he's spent on players look decent.

[Parsonblue]

You really think he's a diehard ?

I think he cares about the club which is something that many don't give him credit for. I think he is doing the best he can in very difficult circumstances and I believe that he will develop into a very good manager given time. Every successful manager has had to cut his teeth somewhere at some point and learn his trade.

[Kie_BRFC]

Think he was talking about the troll

[Athlete]

I've followed rovers from afar for years one off my 1st games was the return off Fred Pickering I go back that long.You lot try and bully anyone who has a real interest in the club,I suggest that you go back to supporting the man utds and Liverpools of the world.

Well why don't you go and support Albion Rovers in Coatbridge then

I think he cares about the club which is something that many don't give him credit for. I think he is doing the best he can in very difficult circumstances and I believe that he will develop into a very good manager given time. Every successful manager has had to cut his teeth somewhere at some point and learn his trade.

Given time ? How long do you want to give him how many players do you want to give him he's brought in 31 had a 40 plus strike force he's a complete failure how many manager's would of loved to have had JR Rudy Marshall King etc

Time to move on

Who immediatly followed Berg and changed the results around entirely?

In my humble opinion, describing GBs tenure as an "unmitigated failure" is wrong.

The expectation may have been promotion, but we should all remember that the trajectory was never pointing up.

GB is one of the only reasons why many of us have even considered promotion as an option. Arresting slide, fixing elements of the squad and returning a worth ethic and spirit.

He's not done everything right by a long stretch and this last season would have been enough for me in a scenario where you know those above have the spine to find better. The scenario is anything but that I'm afraid, and whether Abbey thinks it's a dingle or not - I have to agree with coats about liking GB.

Football can change quickly and if we are rock bottom at the beginning of September id fear the worst. If GB loses the dressing room (something Berg and Appleton never even acquired) I'd be a lot more worried about the future because we could see another "Kean" situ wher GB becomes unsackable or we could see another underwhelming appointment.

I'm glad though the difference with GB (regardless of Athlete and Jals suggestion) is that we know he's in it for footballing reasons not bank account.

How do I know this you ask? I don't for sure, but from what I've read, GBs history at the club and watching the money he's spent on players look decent.

Correct me if I'm wrong but in the 1st instance GB didn't want the gig.. What changed his mind. A position and salary beyond his wildest dreams for instance

You really think he's a diehard ?

He probably couldn't put Ewood in his sat nav

[roverandout]

I think he cares about the club which is something that many don't give him credit for. I think he is doing the best he can in very difficult circumstances and I believe that he will develop into a very good manager given time. Every successful manager has had to cut his teeth somewhere at some point and learn his trade.

Bullocks, if he cared about the club, he would walk away knowing he's not up to the job, hes in it for himself, which you can't blame him when wonga is involved, parkes cared about the club enough times to turn the job down. He's an employee who gets paid handsomely for doing something which he's not up to. He may develop into a good manager one day, doubtful but why should rovers be his learning curve when the club is bleeding millions

[Mattyblue]

I think he cares about the club which is something that many don't give him credit for. I think he is doing the best he can in very difficult circumstances and I believe that he will develop into a very good manager given time. Every successful manager has had to cut his teeth somewhere at some point and learn his trade.

They sure do Parson, however after three successive rookie managers who did extremely poorly, we needed an experienced head to get the most of a decent squad and highly paid players.

We were on a very tight deadline to try and get out of the Championship before the finanical drawbridge came up, two seasons of Bowyer learning his trade in the Blackburn Rovers of 2013- 2015 was just wrong place, wrong time.

[JBiz]

Correct me if I'm wrong but in the 1st instance GB didn't want the gig.. What changed his mind. A position and salary beyond his wildest dreams for instance

He probably couldn't put Ewood in his sat nav

Perhaps but you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who could argue that he didn't deserve a chance after the two stints in that calamitous season.

The future was pure and simply gambled on "sad ken" (for anyone who enjoys Rick Mayall) by a global advisor aka buffoon and a complicit @#/? from Cumbernauld.

I personally think that the huge problems caused in the dressing room and above have been underrated when measuring up the expectation levels.

To point out (as you need to to avoid the same old replies) I think another experienced and proven manager could/would/should have done better last season. I don't need to repeat what the problem with that expectation though!

[Athlete]

Perhaps but you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who could argue that he didn't deserve a chance after the two stints in that calamitous season.

The future was pure and simply gambled on "sad ken" (for anyone who enjoys Rick Mayall) by a global advisor aka buffoon and a complicit @#/? from Cumbernauld.

I personally think that the huge problems caused in the dressing room and above have been underrated when measuring up the expectation levels.

To point out (as you need to to avoid the same old replies) I think another experienced and proven manager could/would/should have done better last season. I don't need to repeat what the problem with that expectation though!

As another poster points out probably wrong club to learn your trade as a manager at the present time would of been more suitable in lower leagues but hey he's on wages the majority of us on here can only dream of

[yoda]

Are you for real ?

Maybe Myers has found a keyboard

[JBiz]

I'm not going to argue what's suitable- because we'd both agree.

I admit that GB gets more room to learn and time from a few fans but that's expected IMO when you consider;

Spending 200k a week on useless players to drain 2 years of parachute payments was unsuitable.

Hiring a pundit from 5000 miles away with little experience (or sanity) on 600k a year was unsuitable.

Losing 40% of you're fan base after making ridiculous decisions, 90% of advertising disappearing and best players leaving - all unsuitable.

The main thing - trusting an agent to advise you without bias towards his pocket - unsuitable.

Now, if you add all that together- I tend to wonder how on earth are we still in this league, never mind the prem!

The irony is Big Sam was the one thing we've needed since day one, and he was fired on about day 13.

[arbitro]

There are almost two separate issues for me. The club was in a real mess when Bowyer took over and lots of these issues were driven by infighting off the field with the battle for supremacy seemingly at its peak. Bowyer handled this well and to a degree still does. The way the club is going under the Indian fools is clear to see but lest we forget Bowyer has publicly backed these people to the real annoyance of many fans.

My real problem with Bowyer for me is that I don't believe he is good enough to cut it as a manager at this level. Tactically inept, poor selection, poor use of substitutes and a plethora of other things lead me to this conclusion. I see this with my own eyes. And the real worry is that, after more than two seasons there has been very little evidence that he is learning. In line with this I have grave concerns about his coaching staff.

Along with all other Rovers fans I am desperate for us to win matches. I just don't see it happening enough with the current incumbents.

[ABBEY]

Think he was talking about the troll

I was indeed

[JAL]

Who immediatly followed Berg and changed the results around entirely?

In my humble opinion, describing GBs tenure as an "unmitigated failure" is wrong.

The expectation may have been promotion, but we should all remember that the trajectory was never pointing up.

GB is one of the only reasons why many of us have even considered promotion as an option. Arresting slide, fixing elements of the squad and returning a worth ethic and spirit.

He's not done everything right by a long stretch and this last season would have been enough for me in a scenario where you know those above have the spine to find better. The scenario is anything but that I'm afraid, and whether Abbey thinks it's a dingle or not - I have to agree with coats about liking GB.

Football can change quickly and if we are rock bottom at the beginning of September id fear the worst. If GB loses the dressing room (something Berg and Appleton never even acquired) I'd be a lot more worried about the future because we could see another "Kean" situ wher GB becomes unsackable or we could see another underwhelming appointment.

I'm glad though the difference with GB (regardless of Athlete and Jals suggestion) is that we know he's in it for footballing reasons not bank account.

How do I know this you ask? I don't for sure.

May I point out that athlete nor I said claimed that GB was in it for anything other than football reasons. Another long term respected poster made that claim.

[Coatbridge rover]

Well why don't you go and support Albion Rovers in Coatbridge then

Given time ? How long do you want to give him how many players do you want to give him he's brought in 31 had a 40 plus strike force he's a complete failure how many manager's would of loved to have had JR Rudy Marshall King etc

Time to move on

Correct me if I'm wrong but in the 1st instance GB didn't want the gig.. What changed his mind. A position and salary beyond his wildest dreams for instance

He probably couldn't put Ewood in his sat nav

[Amo]

In my humble opinion, describing GBs tenure as an "unmitigated failure" is wrong.

Given the stakes involved, failing to finish in the top six with a 40 goal strikeforce has to be seen as a complete failure on the management's part. I'm not sure how anyone could argue otherwise.

[Coatbridge rover]

I do follow the wee rovers.as for a satnav I don't drive.hits home when you get called out for what you are.

[JBiz]

Given the stakes involved, failing to finish in the top six with a 40 goal strikeforce has to be seen as a complete failure on the management's part. I'm not sure how anyone could argue otherwise.

Depends whether your entire expectation from day one has been promotion.