[Archived] The Gary Bowyer Thread

[Coatbridge rover]

So in the 1970s rovers were relegated to div 3 in 1971 stayed down for 5 seasons promoted in 1975 under Gordon lee relegated again in 1979 under jim iley promoted again in 1980. (Nb. May have got some dates and personnel wrong)

On paper 3rd tier is worse than 2nd tier but during that period did you really feel worse about the club than this venkys and steve kean era?

I can't comment as its before my time and you may see it differently but the older family members say the venkys era is and continues to be far worse than it ever was in the 1970s. Paraphrasing but they tell me back then for all we were rubbish and iley set the benchmark for incompetence before kean came along there was a proper club we're all in this together feel, a community club that didn't have a penny but not massive unserviceable debts either. A club jack ultimately built on.

Fast forward to today the owners have shown nothing but contempt for the fans and have seemingly no knowledge or passion for football. The boardroom isn't fit for purpose and the manager whilst working under terrible circumstances is a nobody going nowhere in the game. There's huge disconnect between the fans and the club.

You should work in politics.Think what you want all I can say this era off rovers fans are the most unforgiven I've known in my 5 decades off supporting the club.

Social media is the crux off the problem,this site has a posse of ten and upset them your hounded until you lower your standards and heyho newbys banned seen it many times,and the smug few get away with it time and time again.

Were all rovers fans anyone who backs the club or manager is accused of being someone's love child or worse.

It's a new season on Saturday leave your mobiles at home and enjoy the day,win or lose I'm on the booze.

[Tom]

Got to say Bowyer is terrible behind a mic and has wound me up with some of the excuses he comes up with but if he can get the team to deliver on the pitch this season he can spend his post match interviews insulting me personally if he wants.

[ada2020]

Social media is the crux off the problem,this site has a posse of ten and upset them your hounded until you lower your standards and heyho newbys banned seen it many times,and the smug few get away with it time and time again.

Were all rovers fans anyone who backs the club or manager is accused of being someone's love child or worse.

It's a new season on Saturday leave your mobiles at home and enjoy the day,win or lose I'm on the booze.

Social media is the crux of the problem, really? Some might argue its Venkys and their incompetents that they hire. You keep criticising the "ten" folk on here hounding everyone but by and large there is simply debate, you don't have to get involved do you.

I'm sure you'll have your mobile with you on Saturday, you might miss someone on here being realistic and the opportunity to preach a little.

[matt83]

You should work in politics.Think what you want all I can say this era off rovers fans are the most unforgiven I've known in my 5 decades off supporting the club.

Social media is the crux off the problem,this site has a posse of ten and upset them your hounded until you lower your standards and heyho newbys banned seen it many times,and the smug few get away with it time and time again.

Were all rovers fans anyone who backs the club or manager is accused of being someone's love child or worse.

It's a new season on Saturday leave your mobiles at home and enjoy the day,win or lose I'm on the booze.

I can't comment about social media in general and I couldn't care less if someone has a different opinion. But in your 50 years of following the club is the current venky era the worst or the 1970s or another time?

It doesn't matter if you don't think it is everyone is equally entitled to their beliefs. But there does seem to be this belief that if you watched rovers through the 70s it somehow sets you apart as having in a way a more valid appreciation of what's happening now and that by comparison today is fine.

But there's at least 4 people (dad/uncles) I speak to about rovers who think now is far worse than those so called "dark days" ever were vis a vis having a sense of pride and belonging to a club. If anything back then they felt appreciated as fans today feel irrelevant customers.

[yoda]

You should work in politics.Think what you want all I can say this era off rovers fans are the most unforgiven I've known in my 5 decades off supporting the club.

Social media is the crux off the problem,this site has a posse of ten and upset them your hounded until you lower your standards and heyho newbys banned seen it many times,and the smug few get away with it time and time again.

Were all rovers fans anyone who backs the club or manager is accused of being someone's love child or worse.

It's a new season on Saturday leave your mobiles at home and enjoy the day,win or lose I'm on the booze.

Are you Burnley Bob ?

[DE.]

this site has a posse of ten and upset them your hounded until you lower your standards and heyho newbys banned seen it many times,and the smug few get away with it time and time again.

As you only joined the site a few days ago, you have a previous (assumedly banned) username then?

[ABBEY]

Ha ya reckon

[K-Hod]

Coatbridge Rover I think lives in a parallel universe.

[chris_h]

Coatbridge Rover I think lives in a parallel universe.

That's often been said about Coatbridge.

[Gav]

Venkys are responsible for the position we are in blame Mr Bowyer if you must it might make you feel better.

You're 100% right Coatbridge, Bowyers a novice, he's going to make mistakes, he's learning the ropes.

Venkys and Shaw are the problem, Bowyer is a chap trying to do his best for the club and its supporters, he's not the issue.

Coatbridge Rover I think lives in a parallel universe.

He's absolutely spot on about Bowyer, we have 60 pages mainly slagging him off when the real villains of the piece are Venkys and Shaw.

He's a rookie, people forget he's been in management for only 2yrs, so people need to take a step back.

[West Yorks Rover]

You're 100% right Coatbridge, Bowyers a novice, he's going to make mistakes, he's learning the ropes.

Venkys and Shaw are the problem, Bowyer is a chap trying to do his best for the club and its supporters, he's not the issue.

He's absolutely spot on about Bowyer, we have 60 pages mainly slagging him off when the real villains of the piece are Venkys and Shaw.

He's a rookie, people forget he's been in management for only 2yrs, so people need to take a step back.

Not having that Gav, he's been at the club 12 years, he'll know the workings of the place inside out.

He's also been around professional clubs for probably 30 years.

[Stuart]

Got to say Bowyer is terrible behind a mic and has wound me up with some of the excuses he comes up with but if he can get the team to deliver on the pitch this season he can spend his post match interviews insulting me personally if he wants.

Likewise. That's what we all want, Tom. The trouble is that Bowyer looks less and less like doing so rather than more.

I'll happily eat my words if Bowyer delivers. The problem there is that - for his supporters - 'delivering' means lower and lower finishes as Project Downgrade is not only accepted but applauded with every transfer out and in.

[bob fleming]

Then you have thrown the towel in

Ha ha ha ha! That's brilliant! You're the guy who said he doesn't go anymore a few hours ago!

[Blue blood]

You should work in politics.Think what you want all I can say this era off rovers fans are the most unforgiven I've known in my 5 decades off supporting the club.

Social media is the crux off the problem,this site has a posse of ten and upset them your hounded until you lower your standards and heyho newbys banned seen it many times,and the smug few get away with it time and time again.

Were all rovers fans anyone who backs the club or manager is accused of being someone's love child or worse.

It's a new season on Saturday leave your mobiles at home and enjoy the day,win or lose I'm on the booze.

Again you make a few interesting points but throw in some random things that really don't help you or your arguments.

It'd be interesting to think on and debate on 1) how social media affects how we view things and 2) are fans more unforgiving these days. (Although personally I feel Matt83 has got it right).

But then you go talking about posse who're waiting to shoot you down. How did you get that from my posts? Or many of the others - they mainly disagree that Bowyer is blameless and that age doesn't affect having judgement on the matter. That's not a posse waiting to shoot people down, that's people disagreeing with the points you've made!

[Athlete]

I can't comment about social media in general and I couldn't care less if someone has a different opinion. But in your 50 years of following the club is the current venky era the worst or the 1970s or another time?

It doesn't matter if you don't think it is everyone is equally entitled to their beliefs. But there does seem to be this belief that if you watched rovers through the 70s it somehow sets you apart as having in a way a more valid appreciation of what's happening now and that by comparison today is fine.

But there's at least 4 people (dad/uncles) I speak to about rovers who think now is far worse than those so called "dark days" ever were vis a vis having a sense of pride and belonging to a club. If anything back then they felt appreciated as fans today feel irrelevant customers.

Worse era ever under these charlatans

[Gav]

Not having that Gav, he's been at the club 12 years, he'll know the workings of the place inside out.

He's also been around professional clubs for probably 30 years.

I was around my last place of employment for 12yrs but I wasn't the MD so it's not really a credible arguement for me.

Bowyer a side show as I keep saying, Shaw and Venkys are the issue, hammer them.

[West Yorks Rover]

I was around my last place of employment for 12yrs but I wasn't the MD so it's not really a credible arguement for me.

Bowyer a side show as I keep saying, Shaw and Venkys are the issue, hammer them.

He must know exactly everything that's going on, whether he agrees with it or not, and whilst he continues to take his

salary he can hardly be classed as blameless imo.

Steve McClaren left Forest because he didn't like how the owners were running the club, Steve Coppell did the same at Man City years ago.

[chris_h]

He must know exactly everything that's going on, whether he agrees with it or not, and whilst he continues to take his

salary he can hardly be classed as blameless imo.

Steve McClaren left Forest because he didn't like how the owners were running the club, Steve Coppell did the same at Man City years ago.

To be fair Shteve had years in the game as a manager and , as we've seen, he had no problem getting another job. Much easier for him to be 'principled' if, indeed, that's what he was. There are Forest fans who say he had a strop because he wasn't getting his own way.

Didn't Coppell leave City because he had a breakdown or was suffering from depression?

[blueboy3333]

To be fair Shteve had years in the game as a manager and , as we've seen, he had no problem getting another job. Much easier for him to be 'principled' if, indeed, that's what he was. There are Forest fans who say he had a strop because he wasn't getting his own way.

Didn't Coppell leave City because he had a breakdown or was suffering from depression?

That's my recollection. He'd only been there a few weeks. Remember seeing him at the press conference when he announced his exit, he looked a wreck.

[onlyonejackwalker]

To be fair Shteve had years in the game as a manager and , as we've seen, he had no problem getting another job. Much easier for him to be 'principled' if, indeed, that's what he was. There are Forest fans who say he had a strop because he wasn't getting his own way.

Didn't Coppell leave City because he had a breakdown or was suffering from depression?

Breakdown I think. 40+days?

Bowyer might have a hard time this season. Shame if years of service are tainted by association and combined failure and underachievement.

[Gav]

He must know exactly everything that's going on, whether he agrees with it or not, and whilst he continues to take his

salary he can hardly be classed as blameless imo.

Steve McClaren left Forest because he didn't like how the owners were running the club, Steve Coppell did the same at Man City years ago.

Bowyer probably knows some of the things that go on, but he's hardly responsible for the vast majority of things that go on, although if you read this thread he's running the show!

He picks the side, he sets up the team and he targets players to buy - that's his job done.

He's a rookie manager, people should cut him some slack.

[blueboy3333]

He must know exactly everything that's going on, whether he agrees with it or not, and whilst he continues to take his

salary he can hardly be classed as blameless imo.

Steve McClaren left Forest because he didn't like how the owners were running the club, Steve Coppell did the same at Man City years ago.

McClaren resigned after 10 games cos he couldn't buy a win. Coppell was ill.

[West Yorks Rover]

To be fair Shteve had years in the game as a manager and , as we've seen, he had no problem getting another job. Much easier for him to be 'principled' if, indeed, that's what he was. There are Forest fans who say he had a strop because he wasn't getting his own way.

Didn't Coppell leave City because he had a breakdown or was suffering from depression?

My apologies I'll give you the Coppell one, I thought he'd left because the club was such a mess, which it was btw.

McClaren resigned after 10 games cos he couldn't buy a win. Coppell was ill.

Do you think Bowyer might do the same, if we're struggling after 10 games ?

[Bucksrover]

You're 100% right Coatbridge, Bowyers a novice, he's going to make mistakes, he's learning the ropes.

So should Venkys be forgiven because their biggest mistakes were made when they were novice owners, learning the ropes?!

[Mike E]

If you challenge, don't expect not to be challenged back though.

Noted.

So what about that U21 player that was certain to imminently leave within a week 3 months ago? You never mentioned a name but hinted it was someone who'd impressed for the first team.

Raya, O'Sullivan, and Lenihan are the ones that fit those criteria but all signed new deals.

'Challenge back' please?