[Archived] The Gary Bowyer Thread

[roverandout]

Ha ha ha ha! That's brilliant! You're the guy who said he doesn't go anymore a few hours ago!

Erm, big difference, I haven't thrown the towel in towards my hatred towards venkys, I'm not going because of them not because I don't want to go and support rovers, I will still look at the club from afar until the dark shadow has passed, if anything my towel is still tighed tightly around my waist.

McClaren resigned after 10 games cos he couldn't buy a witask oppell was ill.

I think he left because he ddidn't realise until he took over what a big job it would be, he just wasnt prepared for the task ahead

[RevidgeBlue]

So should Venkys be forgiven because their biggest mistakes were made when they were novice owners, learning the ropes?!

Ouch.

Game set and match to Bucks Rover!

I would hardly call Bowyer a "novice" manager either. He's been in charge for 2.5 seasons. I'd apply that tag for maybe the first 6 months or so, a year at tops.

[chris_h]

I doubt that Bowyer's mistakes have been as catastrophic as Venkys to be fair.

Erm, big difference, I haven't thrown the towel in towards my hatred towards venkys, I'm not going because of them not because I don't want to go and support rovers, I will still look at the club from afar until the dark shadow has passed, if anything my towel is still tighed tightly around my waist.

You won't be commenting on games and

Players that you haven't see then?

[AllRoverAsia]

Worse era ever under these charlatans

Bloody right it is and like Coatbridge I'm a 50 year plus fan. The 1965/66 Season was sad with the polio scare, postponed home games all adding to relegation but it was not as mind numbingly depressive as under the Venky's.

[ABBEY]

So should Venkys be forgiven because their biggest mistakes were made when they were novice owners, learning the ropes?!

No forgiveness until I'm dead and then I hope the hate is passed down the family tree

[Rover_Shaun]

He's a rookie manager, people should cut him some slack.

When can we put that one to bed? 3 years? 4 years? A decade? When he's 72?

[Athlete]

So should Venkys be forgiven because their biggest mistakes were made when they were novice owners, learning the ropes?!

No they're continuing to make mistakes employing Shaw etc and not a proper board or management structure who in turn would employ a proper playing management structure

I doubt that Bowyer's mistakes have been as catastrophic as Venkys to be fair.

You won't be commenting on games and

Players that you haven't see then?

So why do you comment on games you don't obviously see

[Rover_Shaun]

Bucksrover was being rhetorical Athelete as GB is repeatedly doing the management equivalent to what you typed without learninh but is being excused as a novice.

Nobody would ever have excused the loons as novices.

[Athlete]

Bucksrover was being rhetorical Athelete as GB is repeatedly doing the management equivalent to what you typed without learninh but is being excused as a novice.

Nobody would ever have excused the loons as novices.

Unfortunately GBs been in the role too long to be classed now as a novice

We need a normal board with full control who can appoint a manager who can take that team forward cos make no mistake last season was a wasted season

[blueboy3333]

My apologies I'll give you the Coppell one, I thought he'd left because the club was such a mess, which it was btw.

Do you think Bowyer might do the same, if we're struggling after 10 games ?

I have no idea if Bowyer would do the same,I don't know him.

[chris_h]

So why do you comment on games you don't obviously see

I don't. I make a point of not offering my opinion on games that I have not attended or attempting to sound authoritiative on players I have not seen play live.

[ABBEY]

Spat coffee out laughing

[Rover_Shaun]

The good old you need to be sat in the ground to see players play.

I wonder why managers watch games back on TV if it's not a viable medium to garner an opinion from?

You need thirst pockets Abbey. They work excellently on coffee

[chris_h]

Spat coffee out laughing

Saw your reflection in the hospital window?

[Athlete]

Bucksrover was being rhetorical Athelete as GB is repeatedly doing the management equivalent to what you typed without learninh but is being excused as a novice.

Nobody would ever have excused the loons as novices.

He hasn't learnt that's one of the problems.. Last season pre season we all thought if GB had learnt from the season previous and the decent run towards the end we'd of been in with a great shout.. What happened he went backwards the period around Christmas was especially woeful and his comments after the defeat at brentford were nothing short of a disgrace IMO around that period was the time to hold his hands up but no a cup run including two victories against 10 men carried him some slack but still late March early April he was still harping on about the play offs delusion really had set in

Imho GB needs to get the side off to a flyer cos the tide even in the JW upper is turning and can see him being the target for some stick.. But on the playing side the buck has to stop somewhere so it's over to you Gazza but FFS stop talking like someone working in a sales environment or hiding behind FFP it's results driven business and time to deliver or let someone who can

[Gav]

So should Venkys be forgiven because their biggest mistakes were made when they were novice owners, learning the ropes?!

They've been in business all their lives, come from a family of so called 'business people', you can't allow for just being plain stupid/thick.

Bowyers been a manager for 2 seasons, big difference and I think you probably know it to bucks

[Gav]

Ouch.

Game set and match to Bucks Rover!

I would hardly call Bowyer a "novice" manager either. He's been in charge for 2.5 seasons. I'd apply that tag for maybe the first 6 months or so, a year at tops.

After 2.5yrs as a manager I was still making mistakes, still learning, after 6yrs as a manager the same, and to be honest I didn't have thick owners and a inept chairman trying to make things difficult either!

Bowyer lost my support lasts season, but some of the stick he's getting, some of the corruption innuendo etc is way way over the top.

[Pedro]

Got to say Bowyer is terrible behind a mic and has wound me up with some of the excuses he comes up with but if he can get the team to deliver on the pitch this season he can spend his post match interviews insulting me personally if he wants.

Yeah, same here.

If we get results - brilliant.

If we get results and performances - I'll be in heaven!

I'd settle for effort, arguing on the pitch and seeing genuine desire.

[ABBEY]

Saw your reflection in the hospital window?

If you weren't licking it you wouldn't see me

[Stuart]

If you weren't licking it you wouldn't see me

C'mon Abs. Admit you laughed!

[roverandout]

Actually after he escaped, he was looking in to see if he had left 2 pencils and a pair of underpants behind....wibble!!

[JBiz]

This is to avoid taking transfer thread off topic;

More excuses.

Very difficult to read your posts if you treat anyone with altering opinion as making "excuses".

Rest of your post is just ignoring everything that goes against your opinion and repeating ad nauseam "the facts" that you've pruned from his tenure.

I'm starting to believe that you actually want Bowyer to fail, not because you want rovers to fail - but then at least you could be proven right that he is taking us down, backwards, destroying the club etc. The funny thing is that many agree with parts of what you say about GBs foibles, yet you spoil it really by always ignoring circumstances and putting club issues down as excuses.

I know you've had enough of the last few years but disconnect the rage button for a minute, take a deep breath and try adding some balance to your viewpoints and posts, rather than venting.

Do you honestly think GB is a total, 100% failure on every level?

[Stuart]

This is to avoid taking transfer thread off topic;

Very difficult to read your posts if you treat anyone with altering opinion as making "excuses".

Rest of your post is just ignoring everything that goes against your opinion and repeating ad nauseam "the facts" that you've pruned from his tenure.

I'm starting to believe that you actually want Bowyer to fail, not because you want rovers to fail - but then at least you could be proven right that he is taking us down, backwards, destroying the club etc. The funny thing is that many agree with parts of what you say about GBs foibles, yet you spoil it really by always ignoring circumstances and putting club issues down as excuses.

I know you've had enough of the last few years but disconnect the rage button for a minute, take a deep breath and try adding some balance to your viewpoints and posts, rather than venting.

Do you honestly think GB is a total, 100% failure on every level?

But they are excuses. Necessary ones if people are trying to find positives about Bowyer being manager but excuses nonetheless.

I don't want Bowyer to fail, I want him to leave before he takes Rovers with him. It's not that he wants bad things for Rovers - quite the opposite - he will surely want the best for us. But wanting it and being able to deliver it are two different things.

He has had his best chance at doing so with the resources he has been given. He has been a failure where it matters - on the pitch. Up there with the best resources in the league and it's been squandered. I've been consistently saying he was the wrong manager since watching how he misued our midfield resources in order to play cautious, negative, dire football instead of taking the game to the opposition. Watching his hand forced into attacking, and the players responding, and getting results, only for negativity to return once his favourites were fit again. His supporters say he is learning, his continued actions say otherwise. Lowe will almost certainly start tomorrow for instance.

His successes involve Rudy Gestede and Tom Cairney being sold for "3000% mark ups". The timing of those sales are starting to seem like deliver at to show Venkys that he can make them money so don't replace him. But I'm a football fan, a Rovers fan, so selling players isn't all that exciting unless they are replaced with players of pedigree. Maybe Delfounso will be a like-for-like for Rudy but the jury is out on that one.

Tell you what though, Joe, you tell me what you think he has done better than an experienced manager would have done? Apart from put up with Venkys. Bowyer has had things very much his own way since he came in. All of the in-fighting had stopped and the antagonists gone. He was allowed to sign players and keep players. We ran out of time for FFP on his watch. His punishment? Carry on as you are.

The trouble is that we know where this cyclic debate will end up. It will be back to the need for Venkys to leave before we can move on.

Bear in mind though that my posts on this topic (and the Rhodes debate) are in response to others comments and not just new posts. Go and look. If people stop trying to recreate history or to lay the blame on other areas, I will respond. As no doubt will you.

[RibbleValleyRover]

His successes involve Rudy Gestede and Tom Cairney being sold for "3000% mark ups". The timing of those sales are starting to seem like deliver at to show Venkys that he can make them money so don't replace him. But I'm a football fan, a Rovers fan, so selling players isn't all that exciting unless they are replaced with players of pedigree. Maybe Delfounso will be a like-for-like for Rudy but the jury is out on that one.

I was thinking of successes and that's the only one I can think of. Some might say the cup run but the league was way more important and he came up well short in that. Avoiding relegation? Not really a success considering the quality of squad and finances available to the club in terms of wages even under an embargo. If mid-table mediocrity is what he was aiming for then I guess that might be a success, though publicly I don't recall Bowyer or the club saying mid-table was the aim for the season just finished.

Selling players for profit doesn't/shouldn't mean much to the fans, but it sure pleases the owners.

I know some are nervous but I think we should tell it as it is. Bowyer simply isn't good enough, he can't take the club any further and we are just stagnating.

[Rover_Shaun]

Stuart, Stuart, Stuart. Your persistence reminds me of this