[Archived] The Gary Bowyer Thread

[AllRoverAsia]

Jeez just listened to the Radio Lancashire interview with Bowyer!!

Mr Charisma, I hope his team talks are a little more animated!!

Sweet Jesus he never stopped bigging himself up and how much profit he was making. To quote just one example; ''From a positive point of view if you look at the amount of money the Club had made it shows the progress the Club has made'' ......went on about Gestede and Cairney costing £900K and sold for £9mil..........admitted he was a Coach and his job was to increase player value. Feck off Bowyer you boring git.

From 34 minutes:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02xr7pw#play

[riverside returns]

Dependant upon your point of view you can look at the interview in many ways.

My take is that initially bowyer was given a job and he knew even then that there was a need to trim the wages. He has done just that. He was also tasked with buying cheap and selling dear. He has done that with cairney and gestede. Why wouldn't he be positive about his achievements just as anyone else given the same remit would be.

We are a negative bunch it seems and all we want to do is moan and groan. We are where we are in terms of quality and quantity and are probably sat where we should be in terms of size and support.

It has been made apparently worse by the last 20 years when we were dining at the top table thanks to Uncle Jack. Natural order has now been resumed. A brief tickle at the top table is about all we can expect a la dingles and as long as we don't go the way of the lashers we are not in a bad place but must operate accordingly.

[ABBEY]

Natural order has 11th in country. !!!!

[riverside returns]

That is natural order based upon the last 20 yrs of uncle jack backed success. In reality, we fought way above our station. Don't get me wrong, it was a fabulous journey. Reality has now set in and we are naturally 8/9 th in the Second Tier.

[martonrover]

Not this 'natural order' stuff again!

Bournemouth are kicking off in the Premier League today. Why? Because they are well run and have a dynamic young manager.

[matt83]

It's a good job uncle jack didn't swallow that natural order tripe. I've got all this money but we're sort of where we deserve to be so ill just save it for a rainy day. Thank god he dared to dream!! If some had his wealth and love of the club I dare say rovers wouldn't have seen a penny because we're roughly where we should be.

[AllRoverAsia]

If natural order was reality Bowyer would be coaching at the Academy.

[K-Hod]

That is natural order based upon the last 20 yrs of uncle jack backed success. In reality, we fought way above our station. Don't get me wrong, it was a fabulous journey. Reality has now set in and we are naturally 8/9 th in the Second Tier.

We only won 2 Trophies under Jack's watch?

[arbitro]

That is natural order based upon the last 20 yrs of uncle jack backed success. In reality, we fought way above our station. Don't get me wrong, it was a fabulous journey. Reality has now set in and we are naturally 8/9 th in the Second Tier.

Today at 3 o'clock I will take my seat at a half empty Ewood and once again feel so much resentment to them wretched Indians who have, without a shadow of a doubt caused our demise.

And posts like yours, I'm my opinion besmirch them name of Jack Walker.

[Athlete]

Today at 3 o'clock I will take my seat at a half empty Ewood and once again feel so much resentment to them wretched Indians who have, without a shadow of a doubt caused our demise.

And posts like yours, I'm my opinion besmirch them name of Jack Walker.

Don't worry another venkyite has crawled out or is it Alan Myers in disguise

[den]

Sweet Jesus he never stopped bigging himself up and how much profit he was making. To quote just one example; ''From a positive point of view if you look at the amount of money the Club had made it shows the progress the Club has made'' ....Feck off Bowyer you boring git.

From 34 minutes:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02xr7pw#play

"..went on about Gestede and Cairney costing £900K and sold for £9mil..........admitted he was a Coach and his job was to increase player value."

I've been saying this was " the plan" since they arrived at the club. That's why Allardyce was sacked and why Kean was appointed and now, after a brief, non committed flirt with a couple of inexperienced managers, they've gone back to another coach. They think making money on players will move us forward as a club. While it's something every club builds into its structure, the first and only priority simply has to be to win as many football games as possible, whichever way it can. Sadly we've lost sight of that and it's killing us.

Yet some fans back it?

[Mike E]

Personally I think Bowyer talking of selling players for a fee IS positive. Or would we prefer to still be giving players on frees or having to pay them off because they're that crap?

It's a form of success that suggests our players are getting interest from other clubs. That suggests they are better than when they came here or the the team is playing better (from other clubs' points of view).

While I do see it as a good thing, however, success on the pitch is more important. I'm expecting a similar season to last season while under embargo (hard to see how any club can progress under such restrictions), followed by building once we're out of it.

Paying even small fees for players makes a HUGE difference in terms of widening scope. Although it appears our scouts have been doing lots of work abroad, so let's hope that pays off for us.

[den]

He's a coach who's there primarily to develop individuals. You can't expect to be successful without a "manager" appointed with the mandate to win games Mike.

[Parsonblue]

Natural order has 11th in country. !!!!

Let's be honest Abbey, the majority of the honours that we won to become the 11th most successful club in the country were won before Archduke Ferdinand and his wife were shot! Like all clubs, we had our moments between then and when Jack came along but in terms of modern history it is winning the Premier League and the Worthington Cup which has lifted the club again in the honours stakes. Between 1936 and 1991 we spent more seasons in the Second Division (Championship) than any other. During that time the club did exactly what we are doing today. Buying players cheap, or developing them ourselves and selling them for huge profits. It's how we survived and it's what we did well. Let's not pretend that it is something that Bowyer and Venky's invented.

[DE.]

"..went on about Gestede and Cairney costing £900K and sold for £9mil..........admitted he was a Coach and his job was to increase player value."

I've been saying this was " the plan" since they arrived at the club. That's why Allardyce was sacked and why Kean was appointed and now, after a brief, non committed flirt with a couple of inexperienced managers, they've gone back to another coach. They think making money on players will move us forward as a club. While it's something every club builds into its structure, the first and only priority simply has to be to win as many football games as possible, whichever way it can. Sadly we've lost sight of that and it's killing us.

Yet some fans back it?

As fans all we're really seeing is good players leaving and worse players coming in. It doesn't take a genius to work out where that's going to take us, and it's a question Bowyer doesn't seem to address in any interviews. Player profit percentages are going to mean sod all if we get relegated, and they don't mean much even if we finish mid-table because even if we do get out of the embargo we're still going to be very limited in what we can spend, else we end up back under an embargo again.

The only way we move forward as a club is if we get promoted - where are the quotes on that? Is it even a target? I'm not asking that rhetorically either - I try to avoid GB's interviews these days, so if he has explained how we are going to improve on the pitch whilst slightly reducing our massive debt through player sales I'd be interested to read/listen to it.

[den]

"From a positive point of view, if you look at the money the club's made"

Tell me how much money this has made the club since they arrived? Around £-130m isn't it?

[Parsonblue]

"From a positive point of view, if you look at the money the club's made"

Tell me how much money this has made the club since they arrived? Around £-130m isn't it?

That's why things are improving under Gary den. If you are going to lose players far better to get fees for them rather than pay them off!

[blueboy3333]

As fans all we're really seeing is good players leaving and worse players coming in. It doesn't take a genius to work out where that's going to take us, and it's a question Bowyer doesn't seem to address in any interviews. Player profit percentages are going to mean sod all if we get relegated, and they don't mean much even if we finish mid-table because even if we do get out of the embargo we're still going to be very limited in what we can spend, else we end up back under an embargo again.

The only way we move forward as a club is if we get promoted - where are the quotes on that? Is it even a target? I'm not asking that rhetorically either - I try to avoid GB's interviews these days, so if he has explained how we are going to improve on the pitch whilst slightly reducing our massive debt through player sales I'd be interested to read/listen to it.

The players at the club now are better than when Bowyer took over. We finished last season higher in the same division than when Bowyer took over. We've only sold two players who played regularly in the 1st team last season. Only one of those played well. How does that equate to talk of relegation considering we've been nowhere near it in the 2 full seasons since Bowyer took over?

Regarding the embargo, we need to get out of it ASAP. We need to be able to pay even small fees so that we can attract the likes of Conway & Gestede again, enable the manger to develop them again, and then sell the ones that want to leave for big money. If we do that, and maintain a sensible approach to wages, we won't go back under an embargo.

I read somewhere that close to £40m was spent by Rovers in tranfer fees and wage commitments in the summer we got relegated. Those players, with the exception of Rhodes, turned out to be financial and footballing disasters. The club has been paying for that folly ever since.

As for promotion, lots of teams in this division have spent an awful lot of money and time failing to achieve it with supposedly better managers than Bowyer... but that's an issue for the owners. I'm not hopeful of them working it out, are you?

[Stuart]

Today at 3 o'clock I will take my seat at a half empty Ewood and once again feel so much resentment to them wretched Indians who have, without a shadow of a doubt caused our demise.

And posts like yours, I'm my opinion besmirch them name of Jack Walker.

Ironic too that he will be seen as 'being positive' and you will be seen as 'being negative'.

I agree with you though. Jack didn't buy the league title as many suggest, he bought the people of Blackburn a club to be proud of again, to take back the ManU-shirt wearing local kids and give them something about their town that they could brag about among their more fickle school mates and work mates. He put our town on the map. Go abroad and ask someone if they've heard of Blackburn, then ask if they've heard of Preston.

But most of all he bought a legacy.

And this, neglected, discarded, leaderless shambles isn't it.

Let's be honest Abbey, the majority of the honours that we won to become the 11th most successful club in the country were won before Archduke Ferdinand and his wife were shot! Like all clubs, we had our moments between then and when Jack came along but in terms of modern history it is winning the Premier League and the Worthington Cup which has lifted the club again in the honours stakes. Between 1936 and 1991 we spent more seasons in the Second Division (Championship) than any other. During that time the club did exactly what we are doing today. Buying players cheap, or developing them ourselves and selling them for huge profits. It's how we survived and it's what we did well. Let's not pretend that it is something that Bowyer and Venky's invented.

We've done this before though. Even just taking post WWII as the period, we are still a PL/Top Flight team. You can't just cherry pick bits of our history as an excuse to "think small".

If Jack had come in and been prudent and cautious we would not have had any of the success we had. We may not even have been promoted! He took a risk and it paid off. I wish Gaz would take a leaf when selecting his team for a match.

[blueboy3333]

Personally I think Bowyer talking of selling players for a fee IS positive. Or would we prefer to still be giving players on frees or having to pay them off because they're that crap?

It's a form of success that suggests our players are getting interest from other clubs. That suggests they are better than when they came here or the the team is playing better (from other clubs' points of view).

While I do see it as a good thing, however, success on the pitch is more important. I'm expecting a similar season to last season while under embargo (hard to see how any club can progress under such restrictions), followed by building once we're out of it.

Paying even small fees for players makes a HUGE difference in terms of widening scope. Although it appears our scouts have been doing lots of work abroad, so let's hope that pays off for us.

Of course it's positive, only an idiot would think otherwise. We can't afford to keep all of them, we need the money, and if a Championship player at any club gets an offer to go to the Prem they invariably leave. If a player gets offered better money elsewhere they want to leave. It's alway been the way. We've been lucky to keep Rhodes this long. We're also lucky that we have a manager that can spot talent and develop it. Some clubs in the Championship don't even have that, and they don't get promoted either!

[DE.]

The players at the club now are better than when Bowyer took over. We finished last season higher in the same division than when Bowyer took over. We've only sold two players who played regularly in the 1st team last season. Only one of those played well. How does that equate to talk of relegation considering we've been nowhere near it in the 2 full seasons since Bowyer took over?

We're not talking about when Bowyer took over though. He's been in the job for 3 and a half seasons, now, including this one. We can only go on a season-by-season basis, and it would be very difficult to argue we're better off now than we were last season. Talk of player profit percentages doesn't change that.

The only reason we haven't been near relegation over the past couple of seasons is because we've had Rhodes/Gestede banging in the goals. Lose both of them and replace them with worse, as we are in the process of doing, and I think you'll be surprised to see how quickly we fall.

[Parsonblue]

Ironic too that he will be seen as 'being positive' and you will be seen as 'being negative'.

I agree with you though. Jack didn't buy the league title as many suggest, he bought the people of Blackburn a club to be proud of again, to take back the ManU-shirt wearing local kids and give them something about their town that they could brag about among their more fickle school mates and work mates. He put our town on the map. Go abroad and ask someone if they've heard of Blackburn, then ask if they've heard of Preston.

But most of all he bought a legacy.

And this, neglected, discarded, leaderless shambles isn't it.

We've done this before though. Even just taking post WWII as the period, we are still a PL/Top Flight team. You can't just cherry pick bits of our history as an excuse to "think small".

If Jack had come in and been prudent and cautious we would not have had any of the success we had. We may not even have been promoted! He took a risk and it paid off. I wish Gaz would take a leaf when selecting his team for a match.

You could easily say the same thing about Laurence Cotton who bought a legacy for the club which then disappeared in subsequent years after he left the club. Sadly, that tends to be the way of things and certainly isn't something new. Indeed you might say that Cotton was even more successful than Jack in that we landed the title twice in three years. Sadly, after Cotton left the club was unable to sustain that success because the money ran out. Alas, as with all legacies, time tends to diminish them until someone comes along to restore a club's fortunes. It was eighty years between Cotton and Jack. Hopefully it won't be that long again.

[47er]

We're not talking about when Bowyer took over though. He's been in the job for 3 and a half seasons, now, including this one. We can only go on a season-by-season basis, and it would be very difficult to argue we're better off now than we were last season. Talk of player profit percentages doesn't change that.

The only reason we haven't been near relegation over the past couple of seasons is because we've had Rhodes/Gestede banging in the goals. Lose both of them and replace them with worse, as we are in the process of doing, and I think you'll be surprised to see how quickly we fall.

3 seasons now and we are farther away from promotion than ever. We did worse last season than the one before. That is not stability and is clearly not progress.

Right now, most of us think we are closer to relegation than promtion and that's a realistic call.

But GB will stay, he'll continue to impress the owners with % increase in transfer values and crowds will continue to dwindle.

Would love to be wrong but that's how I see it.

[martonrover]

Personally I think Bowyer talking of selling players for a fee IS positive. Or would we prefer to still be giving players on frees or having to pay them off because they're that crap?

It's a form of success that suggests our players are getting interest from other clubs. That suggests they are better than when they came here or the the team is playing better (from other clubs' points of view).

While I do see it as a good thing, however, success on the pitch is more important. I'm expecting a similar season to last season while under embargo (hard to see how any club can progress under such restrictions), followed by building once we're out of it.

Paying even small fees for players makes a HUGE difference in terms of widening scope. Although it appears our scouts have been doing lots of work abroad, so let's hope that pays off for us.

It's his constant talking about it that's the problem. The manager should be talking about the football and what happens on the pitch.

[blueboy3333]

We're not talking about when Bowyer took over though. He's been in the job for 3 and a half seasons, now, including this one. We can only go on a season-by-season basis, and it would be very difficult to argue we're better off now than we were last season. Talk of player profit percentages doesn't change that.

The only reason we haven't been near relegation over the past couple of seasons is because we've had Rhodes/Gestede banging in the goals. Lose both of them and replace them with worse, as we are in the process of doing, and I think you'll be surprised to see how quickly we fall.

Pure conjecture. We had the 10th best defence in the league last year. Teams with the 10th best defence don't usually go down. Of course we'd miss out 40-goal strikeforce, but other players would take their place. Neither of them were top scorers in the league last season. You don't have to spend £8m on a striker to get goals, as Rudy proved for us, and Murphy proved for Ipswich.