[Archived] The Gary Bowyer Thread

[onlyonejackwalker]

To be fair to those supporting Bowyer they are not doing much harm. They believe Bowyer to be genuine and giving his all. Their views are understandable based on perceived honesty and the established premis that all managers need time.

It's all about degrees of patience. Mine went ages ago simply due to constant defensive frailty. Others don't mind conceeding two if we hopefully score at least that many. Quite the opposite of exciting, I find it dull, boring, unnecessary and unprofessional. I'd like to be hard to beat and hard to score against. I'd accept not scoring as many ourselves.

[AllRoverAsia]

1) I think it would be up to Shaw to recommend Bowyer's sacking. I'm not sure Venky's are particularly aware of our overall league performance.

2) Again, this would probably be under Shaw's remit, but as he and Bowyer seem to be on good terms I'm not sure he'd recommend a sacking even if we were rock bottom at Christmas.

I seriously doubt that the V's know which Division we are in. Did anyone ever tell them there was a relegation.

[tomphil]

Neither Shaw or anyone else has any power over GB at Ewood. He said it himself last year when there were a few rumours that it would only be the owners who sacked him. Some of the directors could probably recommend he be sacked to the owners but we know what would happen then, they'd get sacked instead. No chance of any gravy boat rocking.

[Proudtobeblue&white]

Neither Shaw or anyone else has any power over GB at Ewood. He said it himself last year when there were a few rumours that it would only be the owners who sacked him. Some of the directors could probably recommend he be sacked to the owners but we know what would happen then, they'd get sacked instead. No chance of any gravy boat rocking.

Exactly, why would the rogue one want to rock the train of gravy? Would there even be words if he loses Sat & Tuesday? Will it take being at the bottom of the league to make a change?

[joey_big_nose]

My personal guess is that the last thing Venkys want is to sack Gary as they have absolutely no idea about how to find a replacement, and don't trust Shaw or Jerome Anderson or Shebby Singh or anyone to advise. They have been played for mugs too many times.

Totally farcical.

[Athlete]

My personal guess is that the last thing Venkys want is to sack Gary as they have absolutely no idea about how to find a replacement, and don't trust Shaw or Jerome Anderson or Shebby Singh or anyone to advise. They have been played for mugs too many times.

Totally farcical.

The conners keep being out conned by cleverer conmen...

The sooner these clowns leave and we get a proper structure with a proper manager the better

[G Somerset Rover]

'We'll have a right good go':

http://m.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/13596738.Boss_says_confidence_will_not_be_an_issue_for_Blackburn_Rovers_in_Roses_calsh/?ref=mac

Also claiming people are 'jumping on the bandwagon'. Feeling the heat, Gaz?

[DE.]

'We'll have a right good go':

http://m.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/13596738.Boss_says_confidence_will_not_be_an_issue_for_Blackburn_Rovers_in_Roses_calsh/?ref=mac

Also claiming people are 'jumping on the bandwagon'. Feeling the heat, Gaz?

He's doing it on purpose now. He has to be. I've never heard somebody say the same phrase so often.

I'm also not entirely sure what he means by bandwagon. If he means large portions of the crowd booing after the Shrewsbury match, that's pretty common after a crap home performance against a lower league side. You'd find the same at most grounds. Arsenal were booed off the pitch after losing to West Ham last weekend. It's generally known people being @#/? off after paying money to watch a garbage performance.

He needs to be careful about his comments towards the fans - this talk of "real fans know what we're trying to do here" and people "jumping on bandwagons" will only turn more people against him. Generally speaking he's not faced a hostile crowd at Ewood, but if he keeps up with the sly digs he may soon find himself on the receiving end of some collective anger.

[perthblue02]

Panic avoided everyone, Gaz say's Browny will bounce back

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/13596254.Chris_Brown_will____bounce_back____after_being_substituted_to_ironic_cheers__says_Blackburn_Rovers_boss/?ref=ar

[AllRoverAsia]

Maybe GB reads this MB. If you are reading Gary 'do one'. Thanks.

[Kamy100]

I really hope that Gary does not go down the route of sly digs at the fans, it will just lead to problems.

I think that Gary is reacting to the criticism from Derek Fazackerley about clubs disrespecting the league cup with the "bandwagon" comment, again I am surprised that he did that as Faz's criticism was very mild and wasn't aimed at Rovers specifically it was more of a general comment. He should have just come out and acknowledged that it was a very poor performance/result and that maybe with hindsight making 9 changes was a mistake.

[AllRoverAsia]

Panic avoided everyone, Gaz say's Browny will bounce back

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/13596254.Chris_Brown_will____bounce_back____after_being_substituted_to_ironic_cheers__says_Blackburn_Rovers_boss/?ref=ar

That's a relief. He'll bounce back from scoring no goals to scoring no goals. Job done GB.

[SamTheShrew]

Disliking the guy more and more everyone he speaks. I actually hope he continues so people do start to turn on him. Might be a way out of this perpetual limbo of drivel

[martonrover]

'We'll have a right good go':http://m.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/13596738.Boss_says_confidence_will_not_be_an_issue_for_Blackburn_Rovers_in_Roses_calsh/?ref=mac

Also claiming people are 'jumping on the bandwagon'. Feeling the heat, Gaz?

I agree, he's definitely taking the @#/? and his crass remarks are wearing very thin.

[tomphil]

The exact same thing happened during the bad run of form last season. As soon as he got the mildest bit of stick after another odd sub during a game the toys began to come out of the pram. Nothing worse than sly digs and gestures and the like, either come out and say what you think or keep it buttoned.

At the end of the day his steady calm demeanour and sensible cautious approach has done some good at the club and was what was needed at the time. Sadly to prosper in management at this level you need more, a hell of a lot more and I just don't think the guy is actually cut out for front of house football management. I'm talking personality wise and football wise, that's no insult because bigger more experienced harder guys than him have been ground down by it. He has to accept though that he will have to start taking the heat now for what happens on matchday, it's almost exclusively his team on the pitch now.

[joey_big_nose]

I really hope that Gary does not go down the route of sly digs at the fans, it will just lead to problems.

I think that Gary is reacting to the criticism from Derek Fazackerley about clubs disrespecting the league cup with the "bandwagon" comment, again I am surprised that he did that as Faz's criticism was very mild and wasn't aimed at Rovers specifically it was more of a general comment. He should have just come out and acknowledged that it was a very poor performance/result and that maybe with hindsight making 9 changes was a mistake.

Agree with this totally. He seemed to think it surprising and unjust that the fans were royally f'd off about the Shrewsbury performance and Brown's performance. The way he handled it was childish, deflecting blame and having a dig at the fans.

It's such a weird situation, in a different more normal universe Gary would never have been a frontline pro manager. He would have continued an excellent job in development roles, and not sought a first team manager position. Temperamentally he just does not seem right for it. However the Venky circus put him in charge by accident and largely he has done a great job in the circumstances. However handling media and fan pressure is not something he seems equipped for, nor handling difficult players, nor inspiring and tactically setting up the team.

[mustard]

I really hope that Gary does not go down the route of sly digs at the fans, it will just lead to problems.

I think that Gary is reacting to the criticism from Derek Fazackerley about clubs disrespecting the league cup with the "bandwagon" comment, again I am surprised that he did that as Faz's criticism was very mild and wasn't aimed at Rovers specifically it was more of a general comment. He should have just come out and acknowledged that it was a very poor performance/result and that maybe with hindsight making 9 changes was a mistake.

I agree Kamy. He's never once taken responsibility if things haven't gone well, but he's always sure to lap up the praise when he does something good (Dragons' Den anyone?).

Reading other managers' comments and they seem so much more articulate for the most part. Instead of using tired cliches, you'll hear an admittance of poor performances, deflection away from the players when necessary and you'll at least see a bit of fire in their bellies.

Some say Bowyer just isn't good in the media. I refute that and would suggest that his media displays are likely identical to his attitude and ability as a football manager.

The exact same thing happened during the bad run of form last season. As soon as he got the mildest bit of stick after another odd sub during a game the toys began to come out of the pram. Nothing worse than sly digs and gestures and the like, either come out and say what you think or keep it buttoned.

At the end of the day his steady calm demeanour and sensible cautious approach has done some good at the club and was what was needed at the time. Sadly to prosper in management at this level you need more, a hell of a lot more and I just don't think the guy is actually cut out for front of house football management. I'm talking personality wise and football wise, that's no insult because bigger more experienced harder guys than him have been ground down by it. He has to accept though that he will have to start taking the heat now for what happens on matchday, it's almost exclusively his team on the pitch now.

I almost forgot the incident where he shushed the fans...

[Athlete]

Once you have a dig at the fans there's no going back.. Time to go gazza

[perthblue02]

Once you have a dig at the fans there's no going back.. Time to go gazza

Unless you work for Employers who show the same kind of contempt , then you are quids in until you decide to resign

[Rover_Shaun]

My personal guess is that the last thing Venkys want is to sack Gary as they have absolutely no idea about how to find a replacement, and don't trust Shaw or Jerome Anderson or Shebby Singh or anyone to advise. They have been played for mugs too many times.

Totally farcical.

The other week Mani alluded to Venkys being advised by someone on football matters. He gave him the Pseudonym of SS.

Could Mani actually confirm who this person actually is?

“We’ve worked well this week on areas we can still improve on and it’s now a case of taking it through until the next game.

Jesus. A week is not long enough

Panic avoided everyone, Gaz say's Browny will bounce back

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/13596254.Chris_Brown_will____bounce_back____after_being_substituted_to_ironic_cheers__says_Blackburn_Rovers_boss/?ref=ar

It is the first time in Rovers’ history that they have failed to win a League Cup game for four seasons running.

I thought negative stats like these would be a thing of the past when Kean left..................

[Mr. E]

Can the mods just code in the name "Kean" for "Bowyer" already?

[tomphil]

The other week Kamy alluded to Venkys being advised by someone on football matters. He gave him the Pseudonym of SS.

Could Kamy actually confirm who this person actually is?

Jesus. A week is not long enough

I thought negative stats like these would be a thing of the past when Kean left..................

I think it was Mani ? who mentioned the SS but said it wasn't Shebby.

[Rover_Shaun]

I think it was Mani ? who mentioned the SS but said it wasn't Shebby.

You are right. I remember now.

So Mani can you put a name to it?

[LJW]

Shola Ameobi is a free agent. He's 31, has height and Im sure would find the back of the net

[tomphil]

Once you have a dig at the fans there's no going back.. Time to go gazza

Reading Gaz's comments on that was a bit pathetic as well. At the end of the day all he got ironic cheers of relief as his number went up. Now don't get me wrong I was a bit surprised by it and thought it was out of order, can't stand the jeering of our own players it's a pet hate of mine BUT I fully understand where it came from. Not for me to tell others how to vent their feelings but again Bowyer as manager should take the cop for it because he signed him and he selects him when there are better options.

He came out with "his teams mates will rally around him and everyone at Brockhall will rally round him" or words to that effect. A complete mard arse over reaction again and one that sends out the message that the big bad fans are bullying the player. He'd have been better saying Chris is struggling to come back to fitness and I gave him a start so i'll take the responsibility and he's a big lad he'll take it on the chin.