[Archived] The Gary Bowyer Thread

[RevidgeBlue]

This is not like any previous other 'low' though. There has always been a feeling that the owners and board have had the best interests of the club at heart and that winning football matches is the priority. If managers haven't performed or have lost the players or the majority of the fans then they have been replaced. Currently our managers are seemingly unsackable, and we appear to be a lowly item on a monthly agenda as far as the owners are concerned, despite being held to ransom by the unmanageable debt and likely liquidation if they leave. I struggle to see how we can simply put this one down to the normal ebb and flow of a football club.

The thing that keeps me going is the thought that we're only the appointment of a decent manager away from winning promotion after which it could potentially be milk and honey from thereon in, particularly with the new TV deals about to kick in.

That and the hope that the debts are relatively inconsequential to Venkys and that they don't suddenly get bored with us.

Whilst that continues to be the case I certainly don't think things are as bad as some of the dark days of the 70's and 80's yet, but not knowing the owners' real take on the current situation makes you wake up wondering if each day could potentially be our last and that's not ideal to say the least.

[RevidgeBlue]

Obviously not. Not at the cost of a long haul flight ++. I'm depressed (and yes it is an illness) - not stupid.

Gumboots - you are getting very close to saying that if your arse is not on a seat at Ewood then I'm not aRovers fan. I suffer this period of our history too.

BTW - despite living O/S now for 30years I had a ST from 1974 until the end of Kean's first Season. Also through me at least a dozen family memebers are Rovers fans and 4 ST's.

Me too. Direct, physical and some good results and some bloody good players who bought into Big Sam's concepts.

I didn't enjoy the games under Sam at all. Robinson launching a howitzer onto Samba's head on the opposition penalty spot him flicking it off and someone trying to get on the end of it.

That said not being entertained and staying up is obviously way better than being relegated and still not being entertained as was the case last season and for most of the one before that.

[AllRoverAsia]

I didn't enjoy the games under Sam at all. Robinson launching a howitzer onto Samba's head on the opposition penalty spot him flicking it off and someone trying to get on the end of it.

That said not being entertained and staying up is obviously way better than being relegated and still not being entertained as was the case last season and for most of the one before that.

I could agree with this concept too: to quote ''Another Club like Newcastle who presumably think that if you're going to finish mid table and sack off the Cup competitions etc you might as well watch entertaining football in the process'' - if in the PL

[unsall]

But it does make a difference. Were you at ewood every home game this season? Did you sit through the torture longing to go home and watch the paint you put on earlier dry because it was more interesting than anything rovers were doing on the pitch? You didn't see it or experience it - the week in, week out mind numbing boredom and the feeling, even when we won, that it was more by good luck than anything else. There's feeling miserable and then there's what rovers have done to us this year. I can't call it depression. That's an actual illness, but it was pretty awful

Bloody hell man,that's serious depression,I know we weren't quite Barcelona,but there were some very decent games,some indifferent and some crap games,but you can't say the whole season was that bad,your certainly not on your own,plenty of fans around me are like you,always glass half empty,even before we kick off,We are a small town club who's had an unbelievable ride in the last 20 years,ups downs,indifferent seasons,life goes around in circles,like I always say,support the club,not the owners/manager/ players,they all come and go,but it will still be BRFC....

[den]

Is Chaddy related to you Parson?

[Mike Graham]

Bloody hell man,that's serious depression,I know we weren't quite Barcelona,but there were some very decent games,some indifferent and some crap games,but you can't say the whole season was that bad,your certainly not on your own,plenty of fans around me are like you,always glass half empty,even before we kick off,We are a small town club who's had an unbelievable ride in the last 20 years,ups downs,indifferent seasons,life goes around in circles,like I always say,support the club,not the owners/manager/ players,they all come and go,but it will still be BRFC....

Unsall, please name 3 decent performances last season.

[gumboots]

Obviously not. Not at the cost of a long haul flight ++. I'm depressed (and yes it is an illness) - not stupid.

Gumboots - you are getting very close to saying that if your arse is not on a seat at Ewood then I'm not aRovers fan. I suffer this period of our history too.

BTW - despite living O/S now for 30years I had a ST from 1974 until the end of Kean's first Season. Also through me at least a dozen family memebers are Rovers fans and 4 ST's.

Me too. Direct, physical and some good results and some bloody good players who bought into Big Sam's concepts.

I wouldn't dream of saying, if you're not there, you're not a fan. My own son lives in s Korea and my daughter in Germany. My other kids live in Manchester (but can't get to matches because working in sport makes it hard to get Saturdays free) and in Gateshead. All are rovers fans. All I mean is the extreme boredom has to be experienced to be believed. You really can't appreciate that if you haven't been there. As preston blue says, name 3 exciting games. I can't

[Parsonblue]

Is Chaddy related to you Parson?

Sorry den, I hadn't realised that misery was compulsory on here

[Stuart]

You say "currently our managers are unsackable " Kean,Black,Berg,Appleton all sacked,think what you mean is Bowyer,difficult call when we are under a transfer embargo,we all wanted stability and what he's done with having to get rid of all Shebbys/Kean signings is not a bad job,I know he has some faults,but what decent manager will come here under FFP,I say give him till Xmas and see where we are and hopefully out of the embargo,he has signed a few very good players for peanuts,odd bad ones but so has everyone else...

Kean resigned. Berg and Appleton were part of a pantomime. Black? Really, you're going to include Black?

Are you new?

The thing that keeps me going is the thought that we're only the appointment of a decent manager away from winning promotion after which it could potentially be milk and honey from thereon in, particularly with the new TV deals about to kick in.

The thing that keeps you going is exactly the thing that depresses me most.

[unsall]

Unsall, please name 3 decent performances last season.

If you didn't think there were 3 decent performances,all season,there's something wrong,like I said there were some very good,some average and some dire,,,,,At home we had 3 cracking cup ties,Stoke,Swansea and Liverpool,league games at home,Bournemouth,Derby played very well even thought we got beat,another good performance against Norwich,Forest,,,,,Away Norwich again,good win at Forrest,3 0 at Leeds,first half at Bolton,best all season should have won 5 0,and not too bad at Huddersfield,Millwall and Bournmouth,but your saying not even 3 games,your wrong...

[roverandout]

Is Chaddy related to you Parson?

I think parson has a leash around chaddy's neck

[LDRover]

Best games I witnessed last season were Brentford, Derby and Norwich at home. And that was because of the quality of football from the opposition.

I can't believe some are excusing the quality of the fare down at Ewood last season. Off the top of my head there were the Brighton, Rotherham, Blackpool and Wolves games that were all truly appalling.

[gumboots]

If you didn't think there were 3 decent performances,all season,there's something wrong,like I said there were some very good,some average and some dire,,,,,At home we had 3 cracking cup ties,Stoke,Swansea and Liverpool,league games at home,Bournemouth,Derby played very well even thought we got beat,another good performance against Norwich,Forest,,,,,Away Norwich again,good win at Forrest,3 0 at Leeds,first half at Bolton,best all season should have won 5 0,and not too bad at Huddersfield,Millwall and Bournmouth,but your saying not even 3 games,your wrong...

Talking about home league games. Cup and some away games we appeared to be a completely different team.

[Hasta]

If you didn't think there were 3 decent performances,all season,there's something wrong,like I said there were some very good,some average and some dire,,,,,At home we had 3 cracking cup ties,Stoke,Swansea and Liverpool,league games at home,Bournemouth,Derby played very well even thought we got beat,another good performance against Norwich,Forest,,,,,Away Norwich again,good win at Forrest,3 0 at Leeds,first half at Bolton,best all season should have won 5 0,and not too bad at Huddersfield,Millwall and Bournmouth,but your saying not even 3 games,your wrong...

Of those good performances in the league, we won 3 out of 11.

In the 8 we didn't win, we led in 7 and threw it away.

That about sums it all up.

Gumboots is right. After Bolton away and Forest at home, I wasn't glowing with enjoyment from the game I witnessed. I was mad and thoroughly fed up.

That's probably the problem under GB. We are not permanently mediocre. We have spells in games where we can play well, outplay the opposition.and get in front. Then we seem to either go into retreat mode, or get outmanoeuvred tactically and the game swings. Unfortunately there are no signs he is learning how to address this at all.

[unsall]

Ok boys,leave you to it,nothing changed on the forums,every time I come on here,same old story,if anyone (Chaddy,Parson,me etc)tries supporting the club,try to be a little optimistic,you are straight down our throats,no wonder Birdie,Pittard and the rest of the diehards don't come on here,just try supporting the club through thick and thin,whatever we think of the Venkys,at least they have kept season tickets as cheap as chips,have you seen Dingles prices,just heard Hull tickets cheapest £531,and just remember when you were all creaming in 1994/95 saying Rovers forever,Rovers ttill I die,did you really mean it,that same season Bournemouth just saved themselves from relegation from div 2 on last day,wonder what their supporters were saying then,and what they are saying now,life and football goes in circles,roll on the new season,onwards and upwards,COYB.....

[ABBEY]

Must be great having special fan status . Snobbiily looking down your nose at the fans who see the club dying.

[den]

Sorry den, I hadn't realised that misery was compulsory on here

I wouldn't call you and Chaddy miserable Parson.

I was just wondering because he likes absolutely everything you say

And just to avoid confusion, I'm joking.

[gumboots]

Ok boys,leave you to it,nothing changed on the forums,every time I come on here,same old story,if anyone (Chaddy,Parson,me etc)tries supporting the club,try to be a little optimistic,you are straight down our throats,no wonder Birdie,Pittard and the rest of the diehards don't come on here,just try supporting the club through thick and thin,whatever we think of the Venkys,at least they have kept season tickets as cheap as chips,have you seen Dingles prices,just heard Hull tickets cheapest £531,and just remember when you were all creaming in 1994/95 saying Rovers forever,Rovers ttill I die,did you really mean it,that same season Bournemouth just saved themselves from relegation from div 2 on last day,wonder what their supporters were saying then,and what they are saying now,life and football goes in circles,roll on the new season,onwards and upwards,COYB.....[/quote)

I wasn't around in 94/5 so it wasn't me getting excited. What exactly is there for us to be optimistic about? I don't shout others down for continuing to try to see positives. It's just that I've tried and I can't find them. All I see is the road to he'll in front of us and nobody trying to do a u turn

[Stuart]

Our managers since 1970 by number of days in charge...

Bobby Saxton - 2039 - 31/05/1981 - 30/12/1986

Don Mackay - 1672 - 03/02/1987 - 02/09/1991

Graeme Souness - 1637 - 14/03/2000 - 06/09/2004

Mark Hughes - 1358 - 15/09/2004 - 04/06/2008

Eddie Quigley - 1358 - 01/02/1967 - 21/10/1970

Kenny Dalglish - 1352 - 12/10/1991 - 25/06/1995

Jim Smith - 996 - 20/06/1975 - 12/03/1978

Ken Furphy - 854 - 04/08/1971 - 05/12/1973

Gary Bowyer - 745 - 25/05/2013 - 09/06/2015

Howard Kendall - 730 - 01/06/1979 - 31/05/1981

Sam Allardyce - 726 - 17/12/2008 - 13/12/2010

Steve Kean - 646 - 22/12/2010 - 28/09/2012

Roy Hodgson - 538 - 01/06/1997 - 21/11/1998

Gordon Lee - 514 - 14/01/1974 - 12/06/1975

Ray Harford - 488 - 25/06/1995 - 25/10/1996

John Pickering - 460 - 09/02/1978 - 15/05/1979

Brian Kidd - 334 - 04/12/1998 - 03/11/1999

Johnny Carey - 230 - 21/10/1970 - 08/06/1971

Jim Iley - 201 - 14/04/1978 - 01/11/1978

Paul Ince - 177 - 22/06/2008 - 16/12/2008

Michael Appleton - 67 - 11/01/2013 - 19/03/2013

Henning Berg - 57 - 31/10/2012 - 27/12/2012

[ABBEY]

you need a hobby

[Athlete]

Ok boys,leave you to it,nothing changed on the forums,every time I come on here,same old story,if anyone (Chaddy,Parson,me etc)tries supporting the club,try to be a little optimistic,you are straight down our throats,no wonder Birdie,Pittard and the rest of the diehards don't come on here,just try supporting the club through thick and thin,whatever we think of the Venkys,at least they have kept season tickets as cheap as chips,have you seen Dingles prices,just heard Hull tickets cheapest £531,and just remember when you were all creaming in 1994/95 saying Rovers forever,Rovers ttill I die,did you really mean it,that same season Bournemouth just saved themselves from relegation from div 2 on last day,wonder what their supporters were saying then,and what they are saying now,life and football goes in circles,roll on the new season,onwards and upwards,COYB.....[/quote)

I wasn't around in 94/5 so it wasn't me getting excited. What exactly is there for us to be optimistic about? I don't shout others down for continuing to try to see positives. It's just that I've tried and I can't find them. All I see is the road to he'll in front of us and nobody trying to do a u turn

doubtfull there'll be a U turn whilst venkys are still here

[Stuart]

Got plenty going on Abs. Just chillin.

[Gav]

Ok boys,leave you to it,nothing changed on the forums,every time I come on here,same old story,if anyone (Chaddy,Parson,me etc)tries supporting the club,try to be a little optimistic,you are straight down our throats,no wonder Birdie,Pittard and the rest of the diehards don't come on here

I remember when some of those 'diehards' would have been leading the revolt and wouldn't have put up with how the club has been raped and pillaged by that lot in Pune.

But no, some of the 'diehards' decided the right course of action was to attack the protesters!

Brilliant eh? A master stroke? Or just plain thick?

More worried about number 1 fan status more like, someone stealing a bit of their lime light.

I could go on but I'll leave it at that, it's not fcuking worth getting wound up about.

[chaddyrovers]

Unsall, please name 3 decent performances last season.

we were very good at Forest away, Bournemouth at home, Bolton away(1st half), Wigan at Home, Reading at Home, Watford away, plus the FA cup games.

oh sorry, maybe I'm being too positive. not like me. haha

I wouldn't call you and Chaddy miserable Parson.

I was just wondering because he likes absolutely everything you say

And just to avoid confusion, I'm joking.

I think ParsonBlue makes some excellent points and comments. and I agree with most of his comments

Ok boys,leave you to it,nothing changed on the forums,every time I come on here,same old story,if anyone (Chaddy,Parson,me etc)tries supporting the club,try to be a little optimistic,you are straight down our throats,no wonder Birdie,Pittard and the rest of the diehards don't come on here,just try supporting the club through thick and thin,

unsall, don't like it get you down. just keep supporting your team through the good and bad times.

I will be positive in my posts and if ppl down like it then don't read them. it doesn't get to me about ppl digging at me anyone on here. I'm used to it tbh.

but I will always support my club with passion through the good and bad times. RTID!!!!

[LDRover]

I remember when some of those 'diehards' would have been leading the revolt and wouldn't have put up with how the club has been raped and pillaged by that lot in Pune.

But no, some of the 'diehards' decided the right course of action was to attack the protesters!

Brilliant eh? A master stroke? Or just plain thick?

More worried about number 1 fan status more like, someone stealing a bit of their lime light.

I could go on but I'll leave it at that, it's not fcuking worth getting wound up about.

Very very well said Gav.

Those particular 'diehards' you allude to should be ashamed of themselves as they've as much blood on their hands as the perpetrators.