[Archived] The Gary Bowyer Thread

[ABBEY]

The last 2 games @ Ewood Mr hands in pockets has sent the team out about 5 mins at least earlier than the ops . What do we do stand there no stretching or keeping warm just stood lifeless and chatting .

[EgyptianPete]

Is this from a personal observation of him Kamy, or something you have heard?

Lose on Saturday he will be on a sticky wicket, next up wanky wanderers Friday night sky match, if we don't get anything from that the majority of fans will surely make their opinions known to him, But should we win the next too, reprieve time --- again.

[Rover_Shaun]

Did Berg not sign him for 1m from united

lol yes. I searched Blackburn sign josh king and read free transfer in the results. Sadly on a 2nd check google is crap and returned results for bournemouth sign josh king

So 200%. Still not bad.

[tomphil]

lol yes. I searched Blackburn sign josh king and read free transfer in the results. Sadly on a 2nd check google is crap and returned results for bournemouth sign josh king

So 200%. Still not bad.

I think it was 500k with a load of add ons. Probably didn't help his appearance record

[yoda]

lol yes. I searched Blackburn sign josh king and read free transfer in the results. Sadly on a 2nd check google is crap and returned results for bournemouth sign josh king

So 200%. Still not bad.

Bought for £1 million sold for £1.5 million is 33.3% GP less wages over the time he was here, so probably a loss

[oldjamfan1]

I think it was 500k with a load of add ons. Probably didn't help his appearance record

The fact that he was completely unreliable would have been a major factor in that......

The Stoke hat trick seems to have rewritten Josh King's career history

[Rover_Shaun]

Bought for £1 million sold for £1.5 million is 33.3% GP less wages over the time he was here, so probably a loss

£1m? 500k? Which is it as it was undisclosed? Or is it another Gestede where people believe the £8m belm over the widely reported and printed £6m?

[tomphil]

The fact that he was completely unreliable would have been a major factor in that......

The Stoke hat trick seems to have rewritten Josh King's career history

Yes the fact that Bowyer who hardly ever used him now throws his name into his regular whines and excuses would back up your thoughts....

[SamTheShrew]

Lose on Saturday he will be on a sticky wicket, next up wanky wanderers Friday night sky match, if we don't get anything from that the majority of fans will surely make their opinions known to him, But should we win the next too, reprieve time --- again.

No chance against Brighton away; with the latter being on tv, I suspect we will win, giving everyone the opportunity to laud go in what a good job he is doing, and how we are lucky to have him.

With regards to bowyer being under pressure, I can but hope. Have to say he has never looked comfortable for me as a manager since day one. Lacks any sort of presence except being defensive.

[JHRover]

Regardless of the past 2 seasons, the transfer embargo, difficulties in the market, the ultimate way any manager is judged is results on the pitch.

Bowyer should be under pressure. Not just from the supporters but from the owners, the board and himself. He is in a high pressure job, and it comes with the territory.

Brighton is a big game which we need at the very least a draw from. A point away there whilst not brilliant would be an acceptable start to the League campaign - one defeat and three draws is not the end of the world and gives us a platform to build on. However lose on Saturday, and it is a poor and worrying start to the season.

If we end up on Saturday with 2 points from a possible 12 and no wins then whether you are John Coleman or Jose Mourinho the pressure quickly mounts and people start to get twitchy.

I don't think Bowyer deserves immunity from pressure or criticism. I would like him to succeed and be given more time, but if results aren't up to it and league position isn't up to it then he can't complain when the criticism comes his way.

I don't think for one minute that Venkys will sack Bowyer, and certainly not as early as August/September, but I suppose we'll find out just how much they have learnt from the past, because if we do become embroiled in a relegation scrap and a change needs to be made then we will see if they are on the ball and make a change or whether they repeat past mistakes and leave things to take their course and possibly suffer relegation because of it.

I have also noticed a recent change in Bowyer's demeanour and performance in the media. He does appear to be more defensive than in previous years. We can only speculate as to whether that is because the owners are getting concerned or simply because he's trying to minimise fan unrest.

[tomphil]

oops sorry thought you referring to the Team Kean enterprise business model.

Regarding Kamy's comment about somebody at Ewood trying to use fan dissent to get rid of Bowyer , doesnt take a genius to realise who that might be, might be used as a good argument of sticking with Bowyer

It's a sobering thought in regards to Shaw bringing in a replacement. A toss up between him and the owners as to who would make the daftest choice

[EgyptianPete]

Regardless of the past 2 seasons, the transfer embargo, difficulties in the market, the ultimate way any manager is judged is results on the pitch.

Bowyer should be under pressure. Not just from the supporters but from the owners, the board and himself. He is in a high pressure job, and it comes with the territory.

Brighton is a big game which we need at the very least a draw from. A point away there whilst not brilliant would be an acceptable start to the League campaign - one defeat and three draws is not the end of the world and gives us a platform to build on. However lose on Saturday, and it is a poor and worrying start to the season.

If we end up on Saturday with 2 points from a possible 12 and no wins then whether you are John Coleman or Jose Mourinho the pressure quickly mounts and people start to get twitchy.

I don't think Bowyer deserves immunity from pressure or criticism. I would like him to succeed and be given more time, but if results aren't up to it and league position isn't up to it then he can't complain when the criticism comes his way.

I don't think for one minute that Venkys will sack Bowyer, and certainly not as early as August/September, but I suppose we'll find out just how much they have learnt from the past, because if we do become embroiled in a relegation scrap and a change needs to be made then we will see if they are on the ball and make a change or whether they repeat past mistakes and leave things to take their course and possibly suffer relegation because of it.

I have also noticed a recent change in Bowyer's demeanour and performance in the media. He does appear to be more defensive than in previous years. We can only speculate as to whether that is because the owners are getting concerned or simply because he's trying to minimise fan unrest.

Your last paragraph is telling, I think he's found Kean's book of bull crap in a drawer somewhere in the depths of Brockhall.

[broadsword]

Balance sheet and the P&L are two totally separate things.

One is a financial snapshot, the other is the trend line.

[den]

Today is the first time that I have sensed that Gary Bowyer is a man under pressure, normally he is very approachable and relaxed, far from that over the last 24 hours. I wonder if the crowd starting to turn on him is the reason for this, he will be aware that there will be people in and around the club/owners who will jump on any supporter unrest to try and get him sacked.

Although I would be surprised if anyone manages to convince Mrs D to pull the trigger. She likes him on a personal level and having just delivered a massive profit with the sales he will be in her good books, but this is Venky's so literally anything is possible.

I would be shocked as well Kamy, if they sacked him at this point. Bowyer fits exactly what they want - someone who they see as capable of developing players, allowing the club to move forwards via that game plan. I doubt they have any intentions of using their own money for incoming transfer fees. That wasn't their original plan and it likely isn't now (hence coming out of embargo probably won't make much, if any difference). So for me, there is no plan B. The only thing that would put Bowyer under pressure isn't the lack of progress, but the fear of relegation. I doubt the threat is strong enough at this point, to push them into unknown territory again.

[SamTheShrew]

Regardless of the past 2 seasons, the transfer embargo, difficulties in the market, the ultimate way any manager is judged is results on the pitch.

Bowyer should be under pressure. Not just from the supporters but from the owners, the board and himself. He is in a high pressure job, and it comes with the territory.

Brighton is a big game which we need at the very least a draw from. A point away there whilst not brilliant would be an acceptable start to the League campaign - one defeat and three draws is not the end of the world and gives us a platform to build on. However lose on Saturday, and it is a poor and worrying start to the season.

If we end up on Saturday with 2 points from a possible 12 and no wins then whether you are John Coleman or Jose Mourinho the pressure quickly mounts and people start to get twitchy.

I don't think Bowyer deserves immunity from pressure or criticism. I would like him to succeed and be given more time, but if results aren't up to it and league position isn't up to it then he can't complain when the criticism comes his way.

I don't think for one minute that Venkys will sack Bowyer, and certainly not as early as August/September, but I suppose we'll find out just how much they have learnt from the past, because if we do become embroiled in a relegation scrap and a change needs to be made then we will see if they are on the ball and make a change or whether they repeat past mistakes and leave things to take their course and possibly suffer relegation because of it.

I have also noticed a recent change in Bowyer's demeanour and performance in the media. He does appear to be more defensive than in previous years. We can only speculate as to whether that is because the owners are getting concerned or simply because he's trying to minimise fan unrest.

I am curious as to why you want him to be given more time? Surely after 3 years, despite not being a normal club, he has been given ample time to stamp some sort of authority on his team as leader? In my 20 odd years supporting rovers, I've never seen a team devoid of any noticeable identity as this one.

[Blue blood]

I would be shocked as well Kamy, if they sacked him at this point. Bowyer fits exactly what they want - someone who they see as capable of developing players, allowing the club to move forwards via that game plan. I doubt they have any intentions of using their own money for incoming transfer fees. That wasn't their original plan and it likely isn't now (hence coming out of embargo probably won't make much, if any difference). So for me, there is no plan B. The only thing that would put Bowyer under pressure isn't the lack of progress, but the fear of relegation. I doubt the threat is strong enough at this point, to push them into unknown territory again.

Absolutely, and off the Cardiff performance the odds on team to go down isn't us. Think Bowyer has another season or two's safety more's the pity as there are some rank bad teams in there. I've seen two games this week (hooray for holidays) and both times thought Rovers will be safe due to the oppositions' frailties. With that in mind and the likes of Apkanm Delfy and Koita all looking useful the get em in and sell em on plan has legs for another year or two yet.

[Waggy76]

Absolutely, and off the Cardiff performance the odds on team to go down isn't us. Think Bowyer has another season or two's safety more's the pity as there are some rank bad teams in there. I've seen two games this week (hooray for holidays) and both times thought Rovers will be safe due to the oppositions' frailties. With that in mind and the likes of Apkanm Delfy and Koita all looking useful the get em in and sell em on plan has legs for another year or two yet.

We havent won a game yet , we may at Brighton , then again...

We were kept safe last season by the goals of Gestede and Rhodes , one has departed and othe could do and is currently injured....

With our defence we are going to have too score a lot goals to avoid relegation , unless we appoint someone who can sort the defence out ....

[Rover_Shaun]

Absolutely, and off the Cardiff performance the odds on team to go down isn't us.

But but but but but Gazzo said Cardiff are triffic and will be top 6 bruvva!

[JHRover]

I am curious as to why you want him to be given more time? Surely after 3 years, despite not being a normal club, he has been given ample time to stamp some sort of authority on his team as leader? In my 20 odd years supporting rovers, I've never seen a team devoid of any noticeable identify as this one.

I want him to be given more time because I think he has done a good job under difficult circumstances. I would like to see him operating in conditions whereby he doesn't have to slash the wage bill, doesn't have idiots like Leon Best clogging up the wage bill, and doesn't have to work under the limits of a transfer embargo. I'd like him to be in a position where he can make more signings like Cairney, Marshall, Conway and Gestede without the need to offload players first - conditions enjoyed by many of the 'top' managers in this league (Karanka, McClaren). The opportunity to build upwards rather than scale downwards, which can only be done one we have phased out the dross and lifted the embargo.

He's been in charge for 2 years, not 3. In that time he has had a lot of issues to sort out, and I think 8th and 9th placed finishes, whilst not wonderful achievements, were acceptable finishes considering the upheaval the club has been through in trying to reduce losses and sort itself out.

I'm not really interested in theories about the team having an 'identity' or Bowyer's 'authority'. It is a results business, and whilst we haven't got promoted Bowyer has managed to ensure we have consistently got the results to keep us towards the top third of the division in an extremely competitive division. I don't care if we have 11 players running around like headless chickens 3 times a week so long as after 90 minutes we have results to show for it and are clear of trouble.

I've already said that whilst I would personally like to see him get longer, he has to earn that right by ensuring results come and points go on the board. As much as I like Bowyer I would support a change if our form/position suggested it was necessary.

[Waggy76]

I want him to be given more time because I think he has done a good job under difficult circumstances. I would like to see him operating in conditions whereby he doesn't have to slash the wage bill, doesn't have idiots like Leon Best clogging up the wage bill, and doesn't have to work under the limits of a transfer embargo. I'd like him to be in a position where he can make more signings like Cairney, Marshall, Conway and Gestede without the need to offload players first - conditions enjoyed by many of the 'top' managers in this league (Karanka, McClaren). The opportunity to build upwards rather than scale downwards, which can only be done one we have phased out the dross and lifted the embargo.

He's been in charge for 2 years, not 3. In that time he has had a lot of issues to sort out, and I think 8th and 9th placed finishes, whilst not wonderful achievements, were acceptable finishes considering the upheaval the club has been through in trying to reduce losses and sort itself out.

I'm not really interested in theories about the team having an 'identity' or Bowyer's 'authority'. It is a results business, and whilst we haven't got promoted Bowyer has managed to ensure we have consistently got the results to keep us towards the top third of the division in an extremely competitive division. I don't care if we have 11 players running around like headless chickens 3 times a week so long as after 90 minutes we have results to show for it and are clear of trouble.

I've already said that whilst I would personally like to see him get longer, he has to earn that right by ensuring results come and points go on the board. As much as I like Bowyer I would support a change if our form/position suggested it was necessary.

Give Bowyer 2 more years and we will have at least one relegation ...

[Blue blood]

We havent won a game yet , we may at Brighton , then again...

We were kept safe last season by the goals of Gestede and Rhodes , one has departed and othe could do and is currently injured....

With our defence we are going to have too score a lot goals to avoid relegation , unless we appoint someone who can sort the defence out ....

True, and I'm no Bowyer fan. However I have seen us trouble two teams, despite poor 1st halves both games we conceivably could have won. Both utterly panicked under pressure, and I can't see them getting many points. Added to which we have a few players I think who can still get us out of jail and get us points by a bit of magic. Not as many as with Gestede, but enough. And besides Cardiff were utterly terrible in attack and defense. If I was one of their fans I'd be struggling for any signs of optimism whatsoever. We'll definitely finish above them.

But but but but but Gazzo said Cardiff are triffic and will be top 6 bruvva!

And he's never stretched the truth before... Truth be told, bar Blackpool I've never seen such an abject performance. Relegation candidates imo. But that doesn't fit in with the media image so won't be mentioned.

[SamTheShrew]

I want him to be given more time because I think he has done a good job under difficult circumstances. I would like to see him operating in conditions whereby he doesn't have to slash the wage bill, doesn't have idiots like Leon Best clogging up the wage bill, and doesn't have to work under the limits of a transfer embargo. I'd like him to be in a position where he can make more signings like Cairney, Marshall, Conway and Gestede without the need to offload players first - conditions enjoyed by many of the 'top' managers in this league (Karanka, McClaren). The opportunity to build upwards rather than scale downwards, which can only be done one we have phased out the dross and lifted the embargo.

He's been in charge for 2 years, not 3. In that time he has had a lot of issues to sort out, and I think 8th and 9th placed finishes, whilst not wonderful achievements, were acceptable finishes considering the upheaval the club has been through in trying to reduce losses and sort itself out.

I'm not really interested in theories about the team having an 'identity' or Bowyer's 'authority'. It is a results business, and whilst we haven't got promoted Bowyer has managed to ensure we have consistently got the results to keep us towards the top third of the division in an extremely competitive division. I don't care if we have 11 players running around like headless chickens 3 times a week so long as after 90 minutes we have results to show for it and are clear of trouble.

I've already said that whilst I would personally like to see him get longer, he has to earn that right by ensuring results come and points go on the board. As much as I like Bowyer I would support a change if our form/position suggested it was necessary.

That's fair enough, you are entitled to your opinion. However I have to add that some of the 'dross' we have were brought in by bowyer. Something like 35 players is ridiculous in 2 years like you say. This has surely added to the financial woes he is charged with scaling down. I personally do care about identity. Under Hughes we were bloody hard to beat first, and the trying to play football came afterwards, quite successfully. Football is tribal; if you have nothing to identify with, it is extremely hard to get passionate about something. I cannot identify with bowyer's rovers.

I thank him for steadying the ship, by God we needed it. But this is a results business, and i wouldn't be a fan of my team if I wasn't ambitious for them. Players leave all the team citing 'ambition'. I don't see why that in this business that used to be a sport, we cannot Show the same.

[West Yorks Rover]

The main problem with Bowyer, is that he's useless on matchdays and I doubt he'd get us promoted even if he had £20m to spend.

[Rover_Shaun]

Recalling the Cardiff match thread throughout the game if Cardiff were crap and the consensus was we were worse then heaven help us

Unless history is re-written again....doh! It already has....^^^^^^

[Waggy76]

The main problem with Bowyer, is that he's useless on matchdays and I doubt he'd get us promoted even if he had £20m to spend.

He will never get anyone promotion , he cannot win football matches ...