[Archived] The Gary Bowyer Thread

[Rover_Shaun]

I thought I was aiding your point?

[ABBEY]

Whoosh ha

[tomphil]

That wouldn't make sense though? Surely players values would increase by playing week in, week out. When they're rested nobody can see what they can offer.....

Certain things have happened that look like that is the case. However I think at times last season early on he just didn't know his best side and was tinkering then later on with the big squad we had it was a question of trying to keep everyone happy.

Either way I think we've seen enough to know the way he goes about it is detrimental to actually building a strong settled side that gels together.

[mustard]

Certain things have happened that look like that is the case. However I think at times last season early on he just didn't know his best side and was tinkering then later on with the big squad we had it was a question of trying to keep everyone happy.

Either way I think we've seen enough to know the way he goes about it is detrimental to actually building a strong settled side that gels together.

It's not only the rotation of starting players, but also of positions. Players are swapped around left, right and centre and we'll see some play in three different positions before the game is over. No one is aware of their role as it changes every game. Bowyer is more interested in trying to prove the players are versatile, perhaps to try and increase value, as opposed to getting a player specialised in a specific role. It's frustrating to watch and, whilst it might keep some players happy, I imagine there are a good few who are disgruntled.

[Gav]

I'd replace Bowyer tomorrow if a more experienced manager was available and willing to come to work with Shaw and the 3 stooges, but I'm torn as to whether he's doing as bad of a job and I as many others think.

We had 5 new players pulling on the shirt last week at some stage, half a team of which most have been here less that 4wks, how can a manager be expected to pull at team together with so many new faces that are of limited ability? We constantly hear top managers telling us how important a pre-season is, these players haven't had one with their current squad, that can't help.

If you're Man City and you're paying 20m a player its a different matter, but free agents and free transfers it makes it almost impossible.

Yes I think he makes mistakes, yes I think he picks the wrong players and gets tactics wrong, but also think the odds are firmly stacked against the man. If i had to change half my team at work every 12 months we'd struggle to operate.

Food for thought?

Venkys Out.

[K-Hod]

Thing is Gav, he doesn't have to change his team, he could easily pick the same XI each week, barring Rhodes for injury everyone has been fit so far!

[Gav]

Thing is Gav, he doesn't have to change his team, he could easily pick the same XI each week, barring Rhodes for injury everyone has been fit so far!

Not sure how he can do that having lost Gestede, Cairney, Baptiste and Spearing?

This season we have players that haven't been here for a month yet? won't be match fit and have hardly trained with the squad? so they're not ready for the 1st team just yet K-Hod.

[DE.]

Not sure how he can do that having lost Gestede, Cairney, Baptiste and Spearing?

This season we have players that haven't been here for a month yet? won't be match fit and have hardly trained with the squad? so they're not ready for the 1st team just yet K-Hod.

7 of our first 11 on Tuesday have been here for at least two seasons. Would've been 8 if Rhodes was starting. We're not talking Blackpool levels of disruption here.

The worst part of our team is defence, and the back four have all been at the club well over a year. Most of them a number of years. Raya is a new addition but that is entirely Bowyer's decision - he could and should have picked Steele.

[Stuart]

I'd replace Bowyer tomorrow if a more experienced manager was available and willing to come to work with Shaw and the 3 stooges, but I'm torn as to whether he's doing as bad of a job and I as many others think.

We had 5 new players pulling on the shirt last week at some stage, half a team of which most have been here less that 4wks, how can a manager be expected to pull at team together with so many new faces that are of limited ability? We constantly hear top managers telling us how important a pre-season is, these players haven't had one with their current squad, that can't help.

If you're Man City and you're paying 20m a player its a different matter, but free agents and free transfers it makes it almost impossible.

Yes I think he makes mistakes, yes I think he picks the wrong players and gets tactics wrong, but also think the odds are firmly stacked against the man. If i had to change half my team at work every 12 months we'd struggle to operate.

Food for thought?

Venkys Out.

If you reset the clock every 10 games or so you will always have that dilemma, Gav. Need to look at a longer period to measure success/failure.

[Gav]

7 of our first 11 on Tuesday have been here for at least two seasons. Would've been 8 if Rhodes was starting. We're not talking Blackpool levels of disruption here.

The worst part of our team is defence, and the back four have all been at the club well over a year. Most of them a number of years. Raya is a new addition but that is entirely Bowyer's decision - he could and should have picked Steele.

Guthrie, Koita, Barrow, Delfouneso, Akpan all got a run out, thats half a team DE, the more I think about it the more sympathy I have with Bowyer.

But what it doesn't excuse is his inability to sort out the defense, yes he lost our best defender in Baptiste, but he's had lads in the squad that are settled and should be performing.

[DE.]

Guthrie, Koita, Barrow, Delfouneso, Akpan all got a run out, thats half a team DE, the more I think about it the more sympathy I have with Bowyer.

But what it doesn't excuse is his inability to sort out the defense, yes he lost our best defender in Baptiste, but he's had lads in the squad that are settled and should be performing.

All players Bowyer has chosen to bring in Gav. We had reserve team players who are settled and apparently ready to step up, and he's chosen instead to bring in rejects from other clubs to fill that void. Not sure why that would lend itself to sympathy?

[Pedro]

It seems Josh King who Bowyer hardly ever used even when fit has now turned into a fantastic talent now he's no longer here. The guy is becoming insufferable now and if I was Myers I'd gag him before we get penalty box entries etc.

I find this a lot supporting Rovers - mediocre players who promise a lot and deliver little become really good (in message board world) when we let them go (Rochina, King etc.) And decent ones - in the real world -who have actually put in a shift or two are suddenly rubbish (N'Zonzi, Cairney etc)

[mustard]

I find this a lot supporting Rovers - mediocre players who promise a lot and deliver little become really good (in message board world) when we let them go (Rochina, King etc.) And decent ones - in the real world -who have actually put in a shift or two are suddenly rubbish (N'Zonzi, Cairney etc)

Not in messageboard world, in Gary Bowyer world!

[Rover_Shaun]

I wonder if City will have sympathy with their manager if they do @#/? with half a new team?

Isn't it a pre-requisite of a manager to make sure the players are drilled before they enter the pitch? The clue is in the job title Manager. Paid to manage.

[Blue blood]

I'd replace Bowyer tomorrow if a more experienced manager was available and willing to come to work with Shaw and the 3 stooges, but I'm torn as to whether he's doing as bad of a job and I as many others think.

We had 5 new players pulling on the shirt last week at some stage, half a team of which most have been here less that 4wks, how can a manager be expected to pull at team together with so many new faces that are of limited ability? We constantly hear top managers telling us how important a pre-season is, these players haven't had one with their current squad, that can't help.

If you're Man City and you're paying 20m a player its a different matter, but free agents and free transfers it makes it almost impossible.

Yes I think he makes mistakes, yes I think he picks the wrong players and gets tactics wrong, but also think the odds are firmly stacked against the man. If i had to change half my team at work every 12 months we'd struggle to operate.

Food for thought?

Venkys Out.

Good post but I'd say Bowyer makes it harder for himself by not having a style of play or tactics.

For example if we had a set style of play and lost a player from it but bought in a similar replacement the adjustment period would be so much easier. Problem is we just buy in random promising players and that takes time to work out how they fit together. Frustrating really. Contrast this with other clubs who have a system and get players who fit into it.

Often not just for us when this model isn't used and random players are bought that's when it goes wrong. Liverpool arena great example of this going from fast attacking from players to bringing in balotelli who totally doesn't fit the system and they struggle. (admittedly losing Suarez doesn't help but you see my point)

[ABBEY]

TIME TO GO !!!!!!!!!!

[G Somerset Rover]

Agreed. We're heading one way under Gaz and it isn't up. Can't defend. Can't score. Said it in the match thread but that guarantees one thing. And it's not promotion or stability.

[DE.]

Gary got lucky with the purchase of Gestede and was fortunate to have Rhodes already here. Now that both are out of the team we see how reliant on these two players we have become.

[Tom]

He has to be under severe pressure now. He got away with shoving Duffy up top on Tuesday but it's a ridiculous tactic.

Killgallon on for Lawrence whilst Marshall stays at right back is inexplicable

[rhodie]

Gary got lucky with the purchase of Gestede and was fortunate to have Rhodes already here. Now that both are out of the team we see how reliant on these two players we have become.

And yet we still have those on here that insist Rhodes is pants and we should get rid.

[Mike E]

Bowyer out and ADVERTISE THE JOB please. Don't just appoint Short for the sake of it.

[bluefred]

Did Rhodes do what he's paid for today [score a goal] or did I miss something

[Mercer]

Hope Parsonblue and the band of Rovers Fans are still happy with the stability and progress Gaz has brought.

FFS, our club is dying and Bowyer is hastening our death.

[bluefred]

He's a luxury we can do without

Anyway I think he could be much better used but not under this clueless article

BOWYER OUT ASAP

[Stuart]

Did Rhodes do what he's paid for today [score a goal] or did I miss something

Pardon?