[Archived] Bowyer

[den]

add to that the fact there are very little funds available and we are currently a mid table championship team

Chaddy reckons Bowyer has brought in 13 players. Now very little funds or not, that's almost an entire squad.

[darrenrover]

Why do you think he wouldn't based on his hit and miss transfer record with next to nowt?

Hughes is a great manager on a tight budget but struggles when given any real money to play with

As fas as Bowyer is concerned I have no real reason other then he's a bit green, seems too nice and his actual purchases leave a bit to be desired so far in Marshall and to a lesser extent Evans and some of his freebies are total duckeggs like marrow and judge. The jury is out on the likes of Taylor and Kilgallon as well

Just not confident enough that he can spot a player, especially if we are hypothetically giving him a few million to spend. Being the main man is a long way away from the comfort of youth team.

Plus would we want to give funds to a manager who's results trend is a downward one? (each period worse than the last)

but I suppose that's where you end up when you go down the cheap and pliable managerial road and the owners lack ambition despite wasting enough money for 2 promotions.

Personally. And I will be flamed for this, I think the time will come when the owners will need to seriously think about making a real push for promotion in order to claw back some of the mammoth losses (yes I am giving them way too much credit) and my gut feeling has always been, and still is, that Bowyer hasn't got what it takes. I am fairly happy with him at the moment because I don't harbour fancy notions of promotion. The club's current ambition is that of mid table anonymity and Bowyer fits in with that. But there surely will

, I believe that the owners think they've done enough up to press to have a decent shot at promotion, this year. We all know that isn't the case but with a couple of additions of a gifted attacking midfielder and perhaps a full back in the Kevin Hird mould, we could well be a force to be reckoned with.

As an aside, BAWA, I hope you've got a tin hat ready and waiting!

[Rover_Shaun]

I'm big and ugly enough but like most opinions they are subject to change

[chaddyrovers]

Did you watch a lot of Leicesters games Chaddy?

just a few games on TV but speaking to a couple of Leicester City fans who were season tickets who rated him highly and thought he wasn't used right by Pearson and he knock his confidence by trying to change his game too much from the player he was.

Chaddy reckons Bowyer has brought in 13 players. Now very little funds or not, that's almost an entire squad.

13 players isn't almost an entire squad but half a squad.

the 13 players we signed that summer is:- Judge, Taylor, Eastwood, Kilgallon, DJ, Kane(on loan), Marrow, Spurr, Cairney(on loan), Evans, Songo'o, Tumwa, Marshall.

Cant believe some fans are judging players that have ONLY had 8 or 9 games or even less. Fans need to give them time to settle in and gel with other players. this take time and doesn't happen in a couple of weeks.

I think at lest 8 or 9 players signed this summer will be good signings for this club.

[Rover_Shaun]

Time will tell Chaddy but I'd argue you can tell if a player has it pretty quickly

[den]

13 players isn't almost an entire squad but half a squad.

the 13 players we signed that summer is:- Judge, Taylor, Eastwood, Kilgallon, DJ, Kane(on loan), Marrow, Spurr, Cairney(on loan), Evans, Songo'o, Tumwa, Marshall.

Cant believe some fans are judging players that have ONLY had 8 or 9 games or even less. Fans need to give them time to settle in and gel with other players. this take time and doesn't happen in a couple of weeks.

13 players is huge in terms of numbers Chaddy. As for people judging these players, it was you that said Marshall is a good player - comparing him to Bentley. Yet, you saw almost nothing of him before he came here - and no-one can say he's looked remotely like a player so far at Rovers.

One other point. All summer I've read on here that we've been making sensible signings - young and hungry players, while at the same time getting rid of lazy, overpaid ex PL mercenaries. Hang on a minute. We can't really argue that, - then when someone suggests these players might not be as good as some folk made them out to be, argue that Bowyers not had any money as TJ did and others have done - can we?

Just a thought.

[DE.]

Jury's still out for me on a lot of the players we brought in.

I feel the likes of Judge and Marrow are mistakes. Marshall similarly doesn't look good enough. I still think DJ will prove to be a good addition but impossible to say until he returns from injury.

Spurr, Kane, Cairney and Evans are all good additions and can do a job. What we're missing, crucially, is a creative forward player which should really have been a priority if this was the system Bowyer wanted to play. Dunn cannot be relied upon to regularly play and Rochina is at best a short-term solution to a long-term problem. I really feel we've missed a trick here and that it's going to hamper us going forward.

[Guest Norbert]

Time will tell Chaddy but I'd argue you can tell if a player has it pretty quickly

If you mean players like Myles Anderson, then yes, I really would agree. Hypothetically speaking, if Bowyer is binned who would we be able to get in? Steve Kean? Judian Ali?

[Rover_Shaun]

As ever you would be surprised how many people would want the job. Don't fall for that myth. Managers are an over confident bunch who will think 'they' will make a difference where others have floundered.

But it wont come to that. Barring a total meltdown Bowyer will be here all season but don't expect more than lower mid-table (imo). My expectations are in line with that but it should never stop any debate.

[Guest Norbert]

I think a steady 9th-14th myself. Goodness knows how the finances will cope with another season in this division, but at least we won't have as much worry as last season. And I cannot see any manager familiar to the British game wanting to come in unless they're some desperate dolloper or someone in a position Bowyer is in. A lot of the guys we could/should have had in sometime last season have since found new jobs.

[patrickvalery]

I really am in a minority. I am actually happy with our incomings this summer. The only one I was less than impressed with was Marshall. But that was only because I know sod all about him. The rest I was more than happy to see arrive. Even Marrow who, lets be honest was a strange signing, was ok in my book. Backup player at best and one which had a point to prove. Maybe I've had my expectations lowered too far. I really dont know. But im not anywhere close to despair yet. I honestly think this squad will come good and surprise a few.

[Amo]

Considering Venky's last three managers have all led us towards relegation, I'd bite their hands off for mid-table obscurity. If not for Bowyer's impressive track record as caretaker, I'm sure we'd still be lurching from one joker to another.

[LDRover]

How much did we actually spend this close season and how does it compare to the other teams in this league?

[darrenrover]

I really am in a minority. I am actually happy with our incomings this summer. The only one I was less than impressed with was Marshall. But that was only because I know sod all about him. The rest I was more than happy to see arrive. Even Marrow who, lets be honest was a strange signing, was ok in my book. Backup player at best and one which had a point to prove. Maybe I've had my expectations lowered too far. I really dont know. But im not anywhere close to despair yet. I honestly think this squad will come good and surprise a few.

I'd be inclined to agree with you PV but I don't think Judge or Marrow are up to much to be honest.i don't know where they fit into the game plan either, Marrow particularly, Judge arguably could fill numerous roles but excel at none IMO.

We need a couple of additions from the loan market in key positions to really give us a chance this season of being competitive of a top six finish.

We all know that, as we all knew that we had a totally unbalanced squad the season before last and that we'd generally signed a load of overpaid crap last summer.

Problem for me is what do our owners think? My belief is they think our current squad is good enough to gain promotion this year.

With a couple of additions it could well be the case......

[thenodrog]

We don't need someone as good as Rochina or Dunn, we just need somebody more creative than Cairney or Judge. It isn't that much to ask, though I imagine most decent talents have already moved by now.

If you want to be top 6 then YES we do.

[patrickvalery]

I'd be inclined to agree with you PV but I don't think Judge or Marrow are up to much to be honest.i don't know where they fit into the game plan either, Marrow particularly, Judgement arguably could fill numerous roles but excel at none IMO.

We need a couple of additions from the loan market in key positions to really give us a chance this season of being competitive of a top six finish.

We all know that, as we all knew that we had a totally unbalanced squad the season before last and that we'd generally signed a load of overpaid crap last summer.

Problem for me is what do our owners think? My belief is they think our current squad is good enough to gain promotion this year.

With a couple of additions it could well be the case......

Still think Judge has something to offer. Marrow is what he is. Some matches he might prove his worth. He'll never be a world beater but for a.nomin fee and with a point to prove it was worth the small outlay.

This side can still get promotion via the play offs. Football is about tiny margains. One goal for or against could shape our season. Lead us to hit a rich vein of form or spiral into a nose dive. Its too hard to second guess. But what is for certain in my eyes, is this current side has more promise than last years. It may take 3 years to realise. In which case it'll never happen cos venkys won't wait. Or it might take 3 months and we might go close this season. Personally I think it'll take somewhere inbetween. Whether it'll be given the chance to blossom is another thing. But I really think it could. Lots of inferior sides out perfom better quality sides because they have a unity and team ethic. Christ, the season under Hughes when we finished 6th we were testament to that. It can happen but it won't if we chop and change every few months. Not least because the fans need to buy into it too.

[West Yorks Rover]

I'd be inclined to agree with you PV but I don't think Judge or Marrow are up to much to be honest.i don't know where they fit into the game plan either, Marrow particularly, Judge arguably could fill numerous roles but excel at none IMO.

We need a couple of additions from the loan market in key positions to really give us a chance this season of being competitive of a top six finish.

We all know that, as we all knew that we had a totally unbalanced squad the season before last and that we'd generally signed a load of overpaid crap last summer.

Problem for me is what do our owners think? My belief is they think our current squad is good enough to gain promotion this year.

With a couple of additions it could well be the case......

You may be right, but perhaps only because someone has told them that, but who I wonder, Lofty or GB or ?

[John]

Problem could be that Venkys could very well be looking at this season as promotion or bust - therefore if we find ourselves off the pace early they may pull the trigger again...

[Mike E]

One thing I need to see from Judge is hiw he plays in the no10 role. That's where he excelled in L1 and it's where iexpected him to play.

Even his running and passing is styled like Dunn: run, run, run, quick 10yrd ball to the forward or shoot. With Dunn and Rochina out I'm amazed he doesn't start there (esp given he's pretty good at FKs and corners).

[darrenrover]

Still think Judge has something to offer. Marrow is what he is. Some matches he might prove his worth. He'll never be a world beater but for a.nomin fee and with a point to prove it was worth the small outlay.

This side can still get promotion via the play offs. Football is about tiny margains. One goal for or against could shape our season. Lead us to hit a rich vein of form or spiral into a nose dive. Its too hard to second guess. But what is for certain in my eyes, is this current side has more promise than last years. It may take 3 years to realise. In which case it'll never happen cos venkys won't wait. Or it might take 3 months and we might go close this season. Personally I think it'll take somewhere inbetween. Whether it'll be given the chance to blossom is another thing. But I really think it could. Lots of inferior sides out perfom better quality sides because they have a unity and team ethic. Christ, the season under Hughes when we finished 6th we were testament to that. It can happen but it won't if we chop and change every few months. Not least because the fans need to buy into it too.

I totally agree PV but thankfully I'm not responsible for paying the monthly salaries either.

I feel better about things generally than I've done for 3 years, at least we now all to be thinking and debating football matters and tactics.

There is however this sinister nagging doubt that with Balaji and Coco the clown mark 2 lurking in London, all the feel good factor is likely to come crashing about our ears.

[patrickvalery]

I totally agree PV but thankfully I'm not responsible for paying the monthly salaries either.

I feel better about things generally than I've done for 3 years, at least we now all to be thinking and debating football matters and tactics.

There is however this sinister nagging doubt that with Balaji and Coco the clown mark 2 lurking in London, all the feel good factor is likely to come crashing about our ears.

Yeah I know what you mean. Its always in the back of my mind.. But for now I actually enjoy the club kind of resembling a football club. I'll worry about the next crazy decision when it happens. Because it surely will.

[T.J.Newton]

Chaddy reckons Bowyer has brought in 13 players. Now very little funds or not, that's almost an entire squad.

13 players that likely have the combined transfer fee and salary of just 1 or 2 of Keans signings last summer.

[darrenrover]

You may be right, but perhaps only because someone has told them that, but who I wonder, Lofty or GB or ?

Who knows who tells them what WYR, you'd think after 3 years and £40 million plus down the pan, any rational thinking person would formulate their own opinion in terms of what's realistic or not!

Sadly, I think the comic strip posted by Fife Rover yesterday unfortunately best illustrates where we are at.

[West Yorks Rover]

Problem could be that Venkys could very well be looking at this season as promotion or bust - therefore if we find ourselves off the pace early they may pull the trigger again...

IT would be very harsh on GB but I don't think many of us would be astonished if it happened.

I suppose it depends who they are listening to and what promises have been made, if any.

[Amo]

IT would be very harsh on GB but I don't think many of us would be astonished if it happened.

I suppose it depends who they are listening to and what promises have been made, if any.

And yet Kean was able to talk up top-half finishes and CL football, and ultimately had to resign before we could be shot of him.