[Archived] Bowyer

[LDRover]

key dates??? can you please name these key dates for all fans to read please??? are we on about this fourth Thursday in March stuff. doubt anything with happen with it. same old rumours again

Abbey, when did Venkys or Bowyer ever say this season was a promotion season??? Ive heard nowt

I'll give you a clue Chaddy. That big screen at the corner of Ewood resplendent with 'Join the push for promotion' on it trying to sell tickets for upcoming games.

And that's before I go on about the endless interviews with the players in the LT saying the same thing.

[K-Hod]

key dates??? can you please name these key dates for all fans to read please??? are we on about this fourth Thursday in March stuff. doubt anything with happen with it. same old rumours again

Abbey, when did Venkys or Bowyer ever say this season was a promotion season??? Ive heard nowt

Have you had a lobotomy??

It's all GB ever goes on about!!

[chaddyrovers]

key word push for promotion.

exactly my point,

we are challenging for promotion. but NOBODY HAS said it a promotion season like Abbey has said it was.

Bowyer and the players said we would be challenging for promotion. we have been. we are ONLY 6 points off the top 6. deffo improvement on last season.

March 27th awaits, hmmm, that is the day before I go on holiday. I think personally the best thing at the moment would be administration, particularly if it sees a change (for the better ...) of owner.

Gary's done a decent job of overhauling the squad. Unless the owners change and the manager changes then we're doomed to remain like this for a very long time to come.

is this the key date Yoda you were on about???

very much doubt anything will happen.

what is a new owner going to do when FFP comes in and they aren't allow to investing their money into buying players??? hardly appealing to a new owners is it???

I think most fans if not all fans would like a new owners but just cant see it happening

[LDRover]

key word push for promotion.

exactly my point,

we are challenging for promotion. but NOBODY HAS said it a promotion season like Abbey has said it was.

Bowyer and the players said we would be challenging for promotion. we have been. we are ONLY 6 points off the top 6. deffo improvement on last season.

Sh1t the bed I give up.

[ABBEY]

Chaddy the lunes are offering season ticket offers on promotion .. Like has been said check the big screen .. I'm off to clean LD's turd

[yoda]

key word push for promotion.

exactly my point,

we are challenging for promotion. but NOBODY HAS said it a promotion season like Abbey has said it was.

Bowyer and the players said we would be challenging for promotion. we have been. we are ONLY 6 points off the top 6. deffo improvement on last season.

is this the key date Yoda you were on about???

very much doubt anything will happen.

what is a new owner going to do when FFP comes in and they aren't allow to investing their money into buying players??? hardly appealing to a new owners is it???

I think most fans if not all fans would like a new owners but just cant see it happening

Make your mind up, are or have, which is it?

[darrenrover]

I think Bowyer has given it his best shot, is unanimously liked and combined with the lunes generally keeping out of day to day affairs, we have seen a period of relative stability. That could also be viewed as stagnation. By and large he has also performed pretty well in the transfer market with the hand he's been dealt.

Undoubtably he has made some horrendous tactical decisions and I'd have thought that he'd learn from the mistakes he has made. As time progresses it would be apparent that that would not appear to be the case.

If you add that to an inability of being able to motivate, then there's a problem. That isn't a quality that can be taught, you've either got it or you haven't. IMO GB ain't got it and has been demonstrated time and again this season when we've 'had an opportunity' but have flunked it on every occasion.

Unfortunately nice gets you nowhere, particularly in the Championship cut and thrust. Yesterday was amongst the worst I've witnessed in 48 years, if not the worst.

It would be pointless sacking GB this season but our glaring deficiencies need to be addressed in some way shape or form if we're to have any hope of salvation.

[chaddyrovers]

Make your mind up, are or have, which is it?

sorry we are challenging for promotion.

Abbey, have fun cleaning the turd up.

[roversfan99]

I think the owners will back Bowyer for next season. personally so would I. I'm sure that Bowyer has told the owners his plans and how long it will take to get the club challenging for promotion.

don't know why fans expect a massive turnabout in 8 months after 3 years of massive turmoil before this season.last season, we appointed 3 permanent managers and almost got relegation. This season we have has stability and if we finish top 10 then that's is good season. off course I would like us to get promotion this season, but I think its a year too early for this current playing squad. we have a good 16/17 man squad but need to add 4 or 5 signings in the summers and use a couple of Academy players in next season squad like Jack O'Connell and O'Connor plus Anton Forrester aswell. then I think we would stand a very good chance of promotion next season.

Why do you think adding players who have scored 6 in 27 for Bury will turn us into Promotion contenders?

[yoda]

sorry we are challenging for promotion.

Abbey, have fun cleaning the turd up.

We just got hammered by a team 8 places below us, we are 7 points away from being in 6th place, not many can see a win on the horizon and you still think we are challenging for promotion,

[Tom]

I've asked on twitter today about Anton Forrester

Had 5 responses from bury fans saying he's one of the worst players they've ever seen and is lazy and uninterested

[Mike Graham]

GB = nice chappie, and I have found is grand to chat with, but all the same is a poor manager who is clearly out of his depth.

Get rid at the start of the close season please.

[Blue blood]

I think Bowyer has given it his best shot, is unanimously liked and combined with the lunes generally keeping out of day to day affairs, we have seen a period of relative stability. That could also be viewed as stagnation. By and large he has also performed pretty well in the transfer market with the hand he's been dealt.

Undoubtably he has made some horrendous tactical decisions and I'd have thought that he'd learn from the mistakes he has made. As time progresses it would be apparent that that would not appear to be the case.

If you add that to an inability of being able to motivate, then there's a problem. That isn't a quality that can be taught, you've either got it or you haven't. IMO GB ain't got it and has been demonstrated time and again this season when we've 'had an opportunity' but have flunked it on every occasion.

Unfortunately nice gets you nowhere, particularly in the Championship cut and thrust. Yesterday was amongst the worst I've witnessed in 48 years, if not the worst.

It would be pointless sacking GB this season but our glaring deficiencies need to be addressed in some way shape or form if we're to have any hope of salvation.

Agree with the highlighted part. I would say that it's hard to be 100% certain whether he's learning as injuries have hampered him somewhat, but the negative play doesn't look to great. Only thing I'd add in is while nice doesn't seem to get you anything, experience does, as McClaren and Davies are showing.

I think the owners will back Bowyer for next season. personally so would I. I'm sure that Bowyer has told the owners his plans and how long it will take to get the club challenging for promotion.

don't know why fans expect a massive turnabout in 8 months after 3 years of massive turmoil before this season.last season, we appointed 3 permanent managers and almost got relegation. This season we have has stability and if we finish top 10 then that's is good season. off course I would like us to get promotion this season, but I think its a year too early for this current playing squad. we have a good 16/17 man squad but need to add 4 or 5 signings in the summers and use a couple of Academy players in next season squad like Jack O'Connell and O'Connor plus Anton Forrester aswell. then I think we would stand a very good chance of promotion next season.

Chaddy something in here I agree with. We have a good 16/17 man squad - one I think could be doing better with a bit of luck with injuries, and a more experienced man at the helm. A team with Cairney, Gestede, Evans, Hanley, Kilgallon, Robbo, Rhodes, Marshall etc. really should be fighting for promotion - it's a good team. Add in a bit more quality in a couple of places, and the team looks fine - a lack of challenge for promotion and you have to look elsewhere for reasons why it's not happening.

As for the rest - what makes you think they'll back him? What evidence have you got on that, when despite a huge player turnover, we got a lot of cheap players and freebies. Also if it's true we ain't allowed to get a loan in, that makes it even more unlikely they'll back him. Heck this is Venkeys we're talking about - do you trust them to do anything?

Also why is top 10 a good season, points wise we're not much better off. And if it is promotion or bust, then how the heck is top 10 a good result? Added to which, I think we've probably thrown away a good opportunity this season for promotion - so many games we should have won, or got more from. Charlton, Sheff Weds, Barnsley away to name but 3 off the top of my head. An extra 6 points here and we'd have a good shout at playoffs. Or having another center half for yesterday's game - may well have made a big difference. There's not been much between blowing it and getting in the playoffs, so how we can think squandering these opportunities is good, is beyond me.

I will admit hopes were low this season, and given our instability and rookie manager, perhaps we had no right to hope for promotion. But the reality is promotion, or at least the playoffs, have been a realistic goal, they've been attainable, in our grasp and we've flunked it time after time.

[Roverthechimp]

Every match i have seen this season we have shown motivation - at times a lack of quality but the motivation has been there. If this was Bowyers 2nd season with a settled squad then i would demand more but the point is we are similar/better than last on a budget that is about half. I have seen us demolish teams in spells and seen us demolished - it's pretty obvious he knows what is needed but can he get a team to gel and maintain it over a season? Yes is my answer as the players fitness continues to improve and the less successfull signings are replaced in the summer. The "push for promotion" campaign/advert is just that - an advert to encourage people to spend their money now.

[darrenrover]

Every match i have seen this season we have shown motivation - at times a lack of quality but the motivation has been there. If this was Bowyers 2nd season with a settled squad then i would demand more but the point is we are similar/better than last on a budget that is about half. I have seen us demolish teams in spells and seen us demolished - it's pretty obvious he knows what is needed but can he get a team to gel and maintain it over a season? Yes is my answer as the players fitness continues to improve and the less successfull signings are replaced in the summer. The "push for promotion" campaign/advert is just that - an advert to encourage people to spend their money now.

I'm sorry Klc, I can't agree with you on the motivational aspect. Best demonstrated by yesterday's display which was bereft of everything.

Forget the injuries, that was unfortunate. The lack of effort from most was inexcusable .

[Neal]

This word... "stability".

The only way we can be more stable is to challenge for a play off place. The fans have been given very little indication from our manager that he has faith in his own 11 that they can do that, although thats what the club promised at the beginning of the season. On many occasions this season, this team has looked lacking in confidence and self belief and no wonder the way he sets us up to play... Not to get beat, 2 anti footballers in centre midfield, our best passer wasted out wide. I'm totally disillusioned and disappointed by Gaz, I really wanted him to be the manager I hoped he would be but he's given me absolutely nothing to put my faith in with regards to his tactical ability. If you think he's the man to take us forward in the coming seasons, then I admire your faith in him and I wish I could share it but I just can't. Some of the decisions he's made in recent weeks are reminiscent of Paul Ince, absolutely backwards. He's on a great little number here but I for one won't have the wool pulled over my eyes by constantly being reminded of the poor previous managers we've employed, the past is the past. We've got a capable first 11, more than capable but It's held back week in week out by our managers negative approach to each game. What happens next season? After a full season under his belt, does he finally put his neck on the block and admit that what he's striving to achieve is promotion? Or does he carry on with this non-committal, not to get beat, absolute rubbish that we've had to endure this season? I don't think the majority of Rovers fans will stand for that & god help him when we get beat off that lot next week.

Personally I'd prefer the club to have a look at what is available come the end of the season (manager wise), not that they will & not that I have faith they'd employ a proper manager. The man deserves the job, I don't doubt that, he deserved a crack at it & he's had it. Still hope he turns it around for the good of everyone at the club but in comparison to the managers around him... He's a million miles off.

I'd absolutely love him to prove me wrong but he's not going to based on what I've seen. MUST TRY HARDER.

[Roverthechimp]

I'm sorry Klc, I can't agree with you on the motivational aspect. Best demonstrated by yesterday's display which was bereft of everything.

Forget the injuries, that was unfortunate. The lack of effort from most was inexcusable .

Would you say that yesterday was typical of the whole season? I wouldn't but if you do then of course it is time (iyo) to change manager.

[darrenrover]

Would you say that yesterday was typical of the whole season? I wouldn't but if you do then of course it is time (iyo) to change manager.

No yesterday wasn't typical but when I heard the line up and what has gone previously I guessed the outcome.

At no point have I said its time to change the manager. What I have said is it's time to address his/our deficiencies if we wish to progress. Don't forget GB will be handsomely paid to deliver.

Would you not agree?

Problem is though I guess none of us actually know what the gameplan is? We're guessing from our perspective what we think it is.

Perhaps in the owners eyes he's doing a stirling job. Depends on the objectives!

[Roverthechimp]

No yesterday wasn't typical but when I heard the line up and what has gone previously I guessed the outcome.

At no point have I said its time to change the manager. What I have said is it's time to address his/our deficiencies if we wish to progress. Don't forget GB will be handsomely paid to deliver.

Would you not agree?

Problem is though I guess none of us actually know what the gameplan is? We're guessing from our perspective what we think it is.

Perhaps in the owners eyes he's doing a stirling job. Depends on the objectives!

As i wrote earlier - next season is when i would judge him (it is my belief that we won't be put in administration). I agree that he needs to develop (together with the players and coaches) tactically but he gets extra marks from me for re-establishing a little dignity in public image but also in how the club seems to demand reasonable behavioural standards from its employees again.

[martonrover]

As i wrote earlier - next season is when i would judge him (it is my belief that we won't be put in administration). I agree that he needs to develop (together with the players and coaches) tactically but he gets extra marks from me for re-establishing a little dignity in public image but also in how the club seems to demand reasonable behavioural standards from its employees again.

I think the manner in which we finish this season is very important both for the club and Bowyer.

Many more performances like yesterday and he will lose the good will of the majority of fans.

We need to finish with some impetus.

[darrenrover]

As i wrote earlier - next season is when i would judge him (it is my belief that we won't be put in administration). I agree that he needs to develop (together with the players and coaches) tactically but he gets extra marks from me for re-establishing a little dignity in public image but also in how the club seems to demand reasonable behavioural standards from its employees again.

I agree wholeheartedly but it's about business, entertainment and results first and foremost. If the flowery bits can be achieved in addition then great. Usually they'd come as a consequence of the aforementioned in any event.

Unless I've missed something, Gary Bowyer is employed as first team manager not someone responsible for improving/establishing a dignified public image. Give me Brian Clough any day!

[Roverthechimp]

That we are discussing tactics and team selection suggests he has done a good job with the "flowery" bits. Business wise his employers are no longer mocked in the press (which would effect their other businesses) and operating losses are coming down. For us it's results, entertainment and then business. For his employers the order is not so clearcut (although longterm the 3 are intrinsically linked)

I think the manner in which we finish this season is very important both for the club and Bowyer.

Many more performances like yesterday and he will lose the good will of the majority of fans.

We need to finish with some impetus.

Agree wholeheartedly - just think a number of people are a little overcritical.

[Audax]

I'm just chuffed we aren't in such a tailspin which was the matter of events for quite a while.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

I'm just chuffed we aren't in such a tailspin which was the matter of events for quite a while.

The thing is matey we are in a tailspin. Economically another season in this league is a kiss of death.

[thenodrog]

If things could be better then it's the manager's fault. No cover at CB, a kean centre midfield and a tubbing at a team way below us in the league.

Dogsh1t again.

It's not the defeat that offends it's the manner of it.