[Archived] Bowyer

[thenodrog]

Stu-Wart - You still aren't considering who the decision makers above the manager are.

Havent you just moaned at someone for just using your initials?

Interesting how Mike Newell has dissapeared from the face of the earth after he exposed agents / some chairmen...

Personally I rate him especially with a young side.

Obviously no place for honesty in football. BRFC supporters are only too aware of that.

[thenodrog]

Either 24th or 25th of May.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/may/24/blackburn-rovers-gary-bowyer-manager

Just throwing this one out there but I see Derek Fazackerley has been officially released by Birmingham, would Bowyer benefit by having someone like this helping out?

That make 3 ex ch's on our books!

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

I don't want Faz anywhere near the club. Get some footballers in who knew how to pass the ball if we must increase the coaching staff.

[47er]

The thing is matey we are in a tailspin. Economically another season in this league is a kiss of death.

Yes. Too many people confuse "stability" and standing still. If you consider the financial situation and the quality of the squad, it could be argued we are going backwards.

Stability could turn out to be stuck in this division forever, apart from the odd relegation. 1970's all over again.

[Neal]

Yes. Too many people confuse "stability" and standing still. If you consider the financial situation and the quality of the squad, it could be argued we are going backwards.

Stability could turn out to be stuck in this division forever, apart from the odd relegation. 1970's all over again.

A bloke finally speaking my language. There are so many who are so stubborn to admit Bowyers failings on the pitch due to the past 3 years we've endured. Come the end of the season, he'll have had a full season, been backed, been treated fairly but unfortunately come up short.

People keep playing this 'building for the future' card... That should be the minimum requirement of any club. Look at what Mcclaren has done in such a short time. We need to be planning for a promotion push next season and has Bowyer shown us anything to suggest he's the man to do it?

No.

[JAL]

James Beattie would be an interesting one.

James with Craig Short would be a good mix.

[Rover_Shaun]

Check the table now. Check the table after 32 games last season

2 points difference.

Kean, Berg and Appleton = Bowyer

Damning.

A ten point deduction would put is 9 clear of relegation and would equal squeaky bum time, what with Bowyers love affair with the undynamic duo.

Looks like Venky's will be squirming in their seats on the eve of the 27th

[thenodrog]

James Beattie would be an interesting one.

James with Craig Short would be a good mix.

Kinell!!!!! Stanley .... 3rd from bottom of the football league! Yer avin a laff surely. Have you no ambition? Lets at least try for Gareth Ainsworth Wycombe Wanderers manager. He's a local lad and they are 4th bottom.

[JBiz]

Check the table now. Check the table after 32 games last season

2 points difference.

Kean, Berg and Appleton = Bowyer

Damning.

A ten point deduction would put is 9 clear of relegation and would equal squeaky bum time, what with Bowyers love affair with the undynamic duo.

Looks like Venky's will be squirming in their seats on the eve of the 27th

Mercer liked that statistic too.

As for the statistic being damming, maybe in your view. I could pick the 20 points clear off the bottom three statistic? Or that when GB took over we were perilously close to league 1, but we are now nearer (if only a bit) to the top flight?

Or the statistic that we have dropped our wage bill by a third in this time because of the owners backing the three managers you mention, but offering no stability.

Or I could just say let's forget statistics and look at reality with our eyes. We are a better team. Simple as. Not streets ahead, but more vigour, energy and effort. More organised and more actual likelyhood of achieving a result. Not the complete spineless performance, after performance, after performance!

There are many aspects that GB has to improve and if he cannot he will be replaced, but up to this point he ain't done a bad job. We lack consistency and this comes with stability. The most important and relevant statistic that supports reasoning behind our dive to the depths of division two mid table is the 5 managers we have had in the last year. Only teams I can remember doing that where Leeds and City and we know where they ended up! Sacking him now, asking out 6th manager in 18 months to assemble a squad built by the other five?

It's not a good idea.

A good idea is making the decision in May. If we finish just above the relegation zone, you can they say he has taken us nowhere and I will agree, but at this point it is way to soon to start shouting "Bowyer Out"

[T.J.Newton]

I feel bowyers done a good job but hes taken the club as far as he can with his limited managerial ability, that said I dont trust whoevers running the cub to find a better manager, so its a bit of a catch 22.

(canr believe somebody above put beatties name forward! Im not sure whos more clueless at time, us fans or the owners)

[thenodrog]

(canr believe somebody above put beatties name forward! Im not sure whos more clueless at time, us fans or the owners)

To continue down such a ludicrous path was he talking about Warren or James?

[martonrover]

Mercer liked that statistic too.

As for the statistic being damming, maybe in your view. I could pick the 20 points clear off the bottom three statistic? Or that when GB took over we were perilously close to league 1, but we are now nearer (if only a bit) to the top flight?

Or the statistic that we have dropped our wage bill by a third in this time because of the owners backing the three managers you mention, but offering no stability.

Or I could just say let's forget statistics and look at reality with our eyes. We are a better team. Simple as. Not streets ahead, but more vigour, energy and effort. More organised and more actual likelyhood of achieving a result. Not the complete spineless performance, after performance, after performance!

There are many aspects that GB has to improve and if he cannot he will be replaced, but up to this point he ain't done a bad job. We lack consistency and this comes with stability. The most important and relevant statistic that supports reasoning behind our dive to the depths of division two mid table is the 5 managers we have had in the last year. Only teams I can remember doing that where Leeds and City and we know where they ended up! Sacking him now, asking out 6th manager in 18 months to assemble a squad built by the other five?

It's not a good idea.

A good idea is making the decision in May. If we finish just above the relegation zone, you can they say he has taken us nowhere and I will agree, but at this point it is way to soon to start shouting "Bowyer Out"

We won't finish just above the relegation zone even if we finish poorly because this season's table is more orthodox, ie there are definite strugglers and the points bar to avoid relegation will be much lower than last season.

The manner in which we finish the season will dictate whether or not it can be classified as successful.

[Bucksrover]

I still back Bowyer.

The Lowe / Williamson blind-spot frustrates the hell out of me, and I think letting Josh Morris go out on loan then playing Marcus Ollson at left back a week later is poor planning at best.

But I think he has done a lot more right, than he has done wrong :- For example on the transfer side Gestede, Cairney, Spurr, Killgallon and Conway have come in for about £1.5 million.

If Evans, Cairney, Marshall and Dunn were all fit and he was still playing Williamson I would be more annoyed.

If we had a couple of years as things are to get things right I think Bowyer would get us promoted. The worry for me is that with financial matters as they are we may run out of time, but a panic change of manager because Bowyer is not the finished article would be a costly move which I think would be a potential step back.

[Amo]

(canr believe somebody above put beatties name forward! Im not sure whos more clueless at time, us fans or the owners)

Mind-boggingly, because JAL's forever jabbering about how the club should raise its standards, then wants Dunny's drinking buddy running the show?

[T.J.Newton]

Another problem is, one of the downsides to havig a squad full of young players is that sooner rather than later they are going to want a crack at playing at an higher level and if it doesnt look likely to happen here in the next year then their agents will be doing all rgey can to find them a better club, id put Rhodes, gestede, cairney, Hanley, Evans, henley and possibly a few others into that bracket and loosing just half of them would mean having to rebuild again and spend further time in the championships.

[JAL]

Kinell!!!!! Stanley .... 3rd from bottom of the football league! Yer avin a laff surely. Have you no ambition? Lets at least try for Gareth Ainsworth Wycombe Wanderers manager. He's a local lad and they are 4th bottom.

OK Thenodrog I know its a bit premature to suggest James name at this early stage in his managerial career but it will be interesting to see how he performs but yes definitely agree not yet.

[thenodrog]

Anybody into conspiracy theories?

deep breath....

I reported a suggestion back in the autumn (albeit off the record but from a pretty reliable source) that the venkys would wait until we were mathematically safe this season before entering admin and taking the 10 point hit. If that didn't happen the suggestion was that Admin would be entered early next season. So given our unfathomable tactics recently, our shortage of centre halves and baffling substitutions could it be that Gary Bowyer is engineering results to postpone events until next season? Rem it's likely his position and salary would be affected too.

Or do I just need a holiday?

[Leonard Venkhater]

Anybody into conspiracy theories?

deep breath....

I reported a suggestion back in the autumn (albeit off the record but from a pretty reliable source) that the venkys would wait until we were mathematically safe this season before entering admin and taking the 10 point hit. If that didn't happen the suggestion was that Admin would be entered early next season. So given our unfathomable tactics recently, our shortage of centre halves and baffling substitutions could it be that Gary Bowyer is engineering results to postpone events until next season? Rem it's likely his position and salary would be affected too.

Or do I just need a holiday?

I am still thinking that the most logical time is this season, when someone thinks the ten points won't relegate us? ..but my holiday is going to be in an institution!

[tomphil]

We know what GB has done right so far and we all thank him for it so I don't know why people keep bringing up the signings etc, we know. Of concern is the way he's keeps shooting his self in the foot with persistent faith in certain players and tactics that don't work more often than they do. He's almost undoing all his good work in the eyes of fans. If he gets it right on Sun then this time next week he'll be a hero of course Just before he reverts back to the same old same old !

[darrenrover]

Anybody into conspiracy theories?

deep breath....

I reported a suggestion back in the autumn (albeit off the record but from a pretty reliable source) that the venkys would wait until we were mathematically safe this season before entering admin and taking the 10 point hit. If that didn't happen the suggestion was that Admin would be entered early next season. So given our unfathomable tactics recently, our shortage of centre halves and baffling substitutions could it be that Gary Bowyer is engineering results to postpone events until next season? Rem it's likely his position and salary would be affected too.

Or do I just need a holiday?

The only way I'd agree GB was thinking about himself would be the tactics employed at Elland Road if the rumours were to be believed at that time. Even though we've been within touching distance since, we've never seen anything like that sort of approach to a game where you would have expected a similar positive approach.

Who knows what to believe these days? We're all bloody mushrooms and as always it's all unfathomable.

[den]

There are no conspiracies apart from the way the trustees acted in their last throes.

Incompetence, self preservation, greed and arrogance by the bucketful.

[yoda]

There are no conspiracies apart from the way the trustees acted in their last throes.

Incompetence, self preservation, greed and arrogance by the bucketful.

Not really, they just wanted a net drain off the books

[den]

Not really, they just wanted a net drain off the books

They were there to carry out JW's wishes, not do as they pleased with his legacy.

[darrenrover]

Not really, they just wanted a net drain off the books

It needn't have been that way. If they'd only sat tight for a couple of years and showed a modicum of the foresight that their benefactor did in amassing the fortune that they now benefit from.

I'm sure John Williams and Tom Finn would have been savvy enough to have made us sufficiently competitive in the Premier League on an annual income stream of circa £150 million.

Anyway pointless harping on, I just hope the family have come up with something to stop Jack spinning so that he can rest in peace.

[T.J.Newton]

There are no conspiracies apart from the way the trustees acted in their last throes.

Incompetence, self preservation, greed and arrogance by the bucketful.

They do seem to have got of very lightly by the fans, absolute cretins and an embarrassment to the walker name in my view. I think Jack Walker would have given the club away to the right people long before hed even consider selling it to the likes of venkys.