[Archived] Bowyer

[broadsword]

I didnt say he IS a manager....I said he has an ambition to be and its too early to judge if he is or not considering he hasnt exactly done a terrible job.

On the other hand people here are clearly saying he ISN'T a manager.

Have heard all of this countless times over the past 3 years. Some people just don't learn.

"Give him a chance FFS"

"We're only XX points off of YY place, stop being a trembler"

Blah blah blah.

As Den has said before, we needed to get the best available man in, not another rookie from Venky's tombola.

We don't have the time to wait and see whether he can become a manager. We should've been everything humanly possible to get promoted again. As it is, the loss to Burnley, whilst not fatal in itself, is just another low-water mark.

None of it makes any sense. If Venky's wanted to get us back up, they're going about things in an utterly bizarre way and I'm sick of it.

[arbitro]

I didnt say he IS a manager....I said he has an ambition to be and its too early to judge if he is or not considering he hasnt exactly done a terrible job.

On the other hand people here are clearly saying he ISN'T a manager.

I think the majority of fans...mostly silent, support him. Count the negative fans on here...around 30...from an active fanbase of around 50,000 (wild guess)...so it means nothing.

I agree with Kamy...he has made mistakes but also done a lot of good and now isnt the time to judge him. if by November we are way off target with no further progress then fair enough.

What has Bowyer done to impress you? As for the majority of fans supporting him I'm not so sure. I work for a large local company where the vast majority of football people are Rovers fans. I speak to many of them whose patience has worn thin, mainly due to the tactics, team selections and blind loyalty to some players. With his failings in the aforementioned I reckon he has cost us a lot of points this season. I am not at the 'Bowyer out' stage yet but unless he learns from his countless errors soon the already wavering support will disappear altogether.

[DE.]

If we sacked Bowyer why is the assumption from so many that we would get somebody better in? What past history is there to suggest that would be the case?

[Amo]

If we sacked Bowyer why is the assumption from so many that we would get somebody better in? What past history is there to suggest that would be the case?

Law of averages?

That's all I got.

[yoda's brother]

People on here are unreal. Yes, Bowyer has made mistakes...who doesn't!? It's his first full year in the job and he has to learn from them. We are comfortable and have seen a huge improvement from the last 3 years on and off the field. There are people here with expectations far exceeding reality. There are better teams and much bigger clubs in this league than us. Only a fool would have expected promotion this season after what we've been through. We lost to Burnley yes but the performance wasn't as bad as many on here portray...as Andy Cryer mentioned on twitter...Burnley are simply a better team.

Someone in the new manager thread said Bowyer has definitely lost the fans. Has he balls! He's lost a few unrealistic idiots who think we should be beating everyone and fighting at the top of the premier league and he's lost some reasonable rovers fans who just haven't taken to him...we are all entitled to our opinions and I think the majority of fans are behind him and thankful to him for what he has done this season. He has removed a lot of deadwood, made us solid (at least at home), brought in some good players, brought the average age well down and built an almost all British team. He has put some pride back in the club and if Rhodes had scored a second and we went on to win 2-0 on Sunday most would be on here praising Bowyer.

Some of you are fickle and pathetic or just need to moan at everything.

'We need a real manager like curbishley, reid, coyle'....WHAT IN THE MOTHER OF GOD ARE YOU SAYING!?

What have these so called managers done recently? Coyles Wigan are still below us and they've had a decent manager winning every game for the last few months. What did he do to Bolton? And Burnley before he left?

Pathetic. Same with Reid and Curbishley.

What gives people on here, students and fans who work in a completely different industry the right to say Bowyer isn't a football manager. He has been a coach for years and probably had ambitions to be a manager or he would have turned it down. It's like a supervisor in a factory working hard for years, getting a management position and then people down the pub who know nothing about his business saying 'but you're not a real manager...you're a supervisor...you should be replaced by that manager who failed in the factory down the road.'

Wake up and face reality. This season hasn't been a disaster. Burnley deserved to beat us and deserve to get promotion. We don't but i'm a lot happier than I have been in recent years. Bowyer deserves another season, then he can be judged if no further progress (play offs) is made.

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[booth]

People on here are unreal. Yes, Bowyer has made mistakes...who doesn't!? It's his first full year in the job and he has to learn from them. We are comfortable and have seen a huge improvement from the last 3 years on and off the field. There are people here with expectations far exceeding reality. There are better teams and much bigger clubs in this league than us. Only a fool would have expected promotion this season after what we've been through.

Well Bowyer seems to think we are still in with a shout after what he said post match in the LT. Are you saying he's a fool?

If I continued to make mistakes with my work like Bowyer has I'd be seeking different employment.

[Adam C]

There are people here with expectations far exceeding reality. There are better teams and much bigger clubs in this league than us. Only a fool would have expected promotion this season after what we've been through. We lost to Burnley yes but the performance wasn't as bad as many on here portray...as Andy Cryer mentioned on twitter...Burnley are simply a better team.

Wake up and face reality. This season hasn't been a disaster. Burnley deserved to beat us and deserve to get promotion. We don't but i'm a lot happier than I have been in recent years. Bowyer deserves another season, then he can be judged if no further progress (play offs) is made.

100% correct.

Even though it looks like he is able to motivate players and instill a team spirit, tactically he is very suspect. Two holding midfielders against teams you should be looking to pick up points from especially at home isn't the way. I also think he has become obsessed with rotation, the guy can't pick a settled starting 11 and that is not because of a large amount of injuries as healthy players have also been dropped.

100% correct also.

That's the problem in my view - we are caught on the horns of a dilemma. Bowyer seems like a Rovers man, he has steadied the ship and gotten rid of the malcontents (for a while anyway). He is tactically very poor though. I guess most fans have a problem reconciling these two views and that is why we bicker and fall out on these pages.

After a landmark defeat tempers are sure to be fraying and emotions raw but I hope calmer heads prevail and Bowyer is given a little more time. We could be far worse off and I don't want to be lamenting the sacking of steady Bowyer in two years' time when we are in League One.

Someone mentioned in another thread (tongue in cheek I believe) that Laudrup might be tempted to take up a role as DoF at Rovers - how amazing would this be? All we need is someone to help Bowyer tactically (Souness maybe?) and I think we would be far better off. Failing that unlikely scenario I hope Bowyer picks up some tactical knowledge and starts to impress with his team selection and gameplan as much as he has impressed me with his overall performance so far.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

If we sacked Bowyer why is the assumption from so many that we would get somebody better in? What past history is there to suggest that would be the case?

You're right, none. Thats why I wanted Venkys to give him a go at the start of the season rather than wheel in Shebby Singh's half-brother or something.

But that was also back when I thought Bowyer had half a chance of getting us into the play-offs, which his record last season suggested was the case. However he's got worse, or the squad's got worse (which he is partly responsible for) and we're going backwards. We have no chance of making the play-offs this season and less than that next season.

Unless avoiding relegation is our only future ambition, Venkys may as well close their eyes and spin the wheel again.

[DE.]

You're right, none. Thats why I wanted Venkys to give him a go at the start of the season rather than wheel in Shebby Singh's half-brother or something.

But that was also back when I thought Bowyer had half a chance of getting us into the play-offs, which his record last season suggested was the case. However he's got worse, or the squad's got worse (which he is partly responsible for) and we're going backwards. We have no chance of making the play-offs this season and less than that next season.

Unless avoiding relegation is our only future ambition, Venkys may as well close their eyes and spin the wheel again.

I wouldn't say overall there's any evidence to suggest we're going backwards. At worst we're in the same position as this time last season, which considering the massive transition in squad isn't exactly a catastrophe.

None of us know the true situation of the club financially so there's little point speculating over whether this season, next season or the season after is "promotion or bust". All I know is I'd rather watch Rovers in the Championship than League One, and I think if Venky's spin the wheel again there's a big chance we'll end up in the latter and a very slim chance they'd hire somebody who could get us into the Premiership.

[K-Hod]

I wouldn't say overall there's any evidence to suggest we're going backwards. At worst we're in the same position as this time last season, which considering the massive transition in squad isn't exactly a catastrophe.

None of us know the true situation of the club financially so there's little point speculating over whether this season, next season or the season after is "promotion or bust". All I know is I'd rather watch Rovers in the Championship than League One, and I think if Venky's spin the wheel again there's a big chance we'll end up in the latter and a very slim chance they'd hire somebody who could get us into the Premiership.

Well they're certainly not going forwards..(only sideways). Devoid of creativity. What's Connor Mahoney up to?

[roverandout]

just as much chance with another unknown manager than bowyer

[K-Hod]

Gary if you can read this. Learn from your mistakes or get out, this is embarrassing.

[47er]

I didnt say he IS a manager....I said he has an ambition to be and its too early to judge if he is or not considering he hasnt exactly done a terrible job.

On the other hand people here are clearly saying he ISN'T a manager.

I think the majority of fans...mostly silent, support him. Count the negative fans on here...around 30...from an active fanbase of around 50,000 (wild guess)...so it means nothing.

I agree with Kamy...he has made mistakes but also done a lot of good and now isnt the time to judge him. if by November we are way off target with no further progress then fair enough.

Not only are you having a wild guess at the size of our fan-base, you also assume they all think like you do.

[matt83]

Think we are now at a crossroad looking at next season. If they are content with 10th-18th never realistically threatening playoffs keep bowyer if have grander aspirations need an actual manager. Bowyers a nice guy done decent job steadying the ship and clearing deadwood but this is now a job for a manager.

Since allardyce I've always said that a guy with previous managerial experience in England might be a reasonable option to move things forward. Still stand by that.

[CapeTownRover]

He has got to go, right?

[jim mk2]

I wasn't there tonight but I've lost patience with him. To judge from the comments on here and elsewhere Bowyer has run out of ideas and seems to have lost the dressing room.

Get rid at the end of the season and get Mackay to take his place.

[Darwen Rover 007]

Iv been a supporter of his but afraid he's out of his depth:

Poor tactics

Poor preparation (fitness of players is awful)

Poor substitutions

Poor judge of player and positions

Has got to go because he is not learning from his mistakes

[chaddyrovers]

He has got to go, right?

this season was about stability surely???

It seems from Bowyer comments today in the LT that Stability and cutting the wage bill was the aim this season.

After watching tonight performance it was awful. so many useless long balls and no keep the ball and passing to feet. we defo missed Marshall and Cairney again tonight. didnt understand y take off Gestede who was our best player tonight.

we arent playing to Rhodes strenghts either.

[Swanson]

I talked to Morten Gamst Pedersen last week at my local airport, he said that Bowyer was a good guy and all that, but that he was way to kind/nice to be a manager.

[K-Hod]

It's GB's own fault for raising expectations and mentioning play-off pushes. He's signed his own death warrant.

He hasn't got the ability to set up a team to attack, never mind to win!

[Stuart]

Well Bowyer seems to think we are still in with a shout after what he said post match in the LT. Are you saying he's a fool?

If I continued to make mistakes with my work like Bowyer has I'd be seeking different employment.

Bowyer will wake up tomorrow saying we still have a chance at the play offs. It's worn so thin, you can see right through it.

[Mike Graham]

Dead man walking

[Devon Rover]

this season was about stability surely???

It seems from Bowyer comments today in the LT that Stability and cutting the wage bill was the aim this season.

After watching tonight performance it was awful. so many hopefully long balls and no keep the ball and passing to feet. we defo missed Marshall and Cairney again tonight. didnt understand y take off Gestede who was our best player tonight.

we arent playing to Rhodes strenghts either.

Chaddy, mate. In a way I admire your ability to see some kind of 'positivity' in all situations Rovers. However, to be honest, seeing your comments at times like this tends to just make it all seem so much more sad and depressing!

Stability? Bowyer has been speaking of 'pushing on', 'responding', 'raising the game', 'everything to play for', still a chance of promotion blah blah blah. The truth is there WAS a shot at a play-off place at the very least this season and it is Bowyer's team selections, tactics, and substitutions that have played a huge part in watching that chance slip away.

Stability is not losing to Bournemouth at home. What I am seeing in this team, which does contain ability, and this club, is ongoing decline. There is no stability here.

[roverandout]

so chaddy, are u still happy with him after tonight?

[Stuart]

Chaddy, mate. In a way I admire your ability to see some kind of 'positivity' in all situations Rovers. However, to be honest, seeing your comments at times like this tends to just make it all seem so much more sad and depressing!

Stability? Bowyer has been speaking of 'pushing on', 'responding', 'raising the game', 'everything to play for', still a chance of promotion blah blah blah. The truth is there WAS a shot at a play-off place at the very least this season and it is Bowyer's team selections, tactics, and substitutions that have played a huge part in watching that chance slip away.

Stability is not losing to Bournemouth at home. What I am seeing in this team, which does contain ability, and this club, is ongoing decline. There is no stability here.

Agree 100%.

Kean crashed the car, Berg and Appleton were failed paramedics, before Bowyer stepped in as surgeon to stem the bleeding and patch up the wounds. Now we are slipping back into a coma.

If we ever wake up, we are going to need some serious plastic surgery, but will probably and up hobbled for life instead.