[Archived] Bowyer

[Waggy76]

True. If you look across the division we have a very good squad, probably in the top six or eight.

We should be looking to hit the playoffs. However the problem has been upheaval and instability, so to change things again to try and pick up performances seems wrongheaded to me. I don't see us having much option apart from persevering for a while and coming up with a better more nuanced solution.

The problem is the owners !

[den]

Lately I've been thinking that If the clubs finances are as bad as being rumoured and ffp hitting us hard next season, then we are not in any position to be thinking long term, we need to do all we can to get out of this league this season and our best chance of that would be getting in Holloway(if he gets the sack).

It wasn't just the changes of manager that upset things last year, the power struggles and disruptive players played just a big a part in our failure, I think if a good respected new manager came in this season(around xmas time, if things don't pick up) it wouldn't cause as big of a stink as when new managers came in last season.

Blimey, I pointed out around a month ago, on this thread, that Venky's might very well believe that results weren't good enough. There's no reason why rovers, with the right manager and the right transfer policy - and the two come together, couldn't have been where Burnley currently are. I just think that with them taking the view that Bowyer "deserved a chance" (whatever that means), they might have missed a trick. And missing that trick might have cost them and the club, big time.

[roversR4ever]

We need to be nomore than 7 point off the playoffs upto Christmas. Obviously less if possible. The return of Evans and Rochina could then give us a chance of getting some momentum and pushing into the playoffs.

We need to see Williamson get some form and push to show he deserves a starting place in the team which would then at least reduce the impact of the loss of Evans.

Could do with DJ also finding the form he was in in preseason.

Any news on Dunn and Etuhu? I thought both were very near to return? I am actually quite interested to see how Etuhu responds attitude wise when he returns. On paper should easily be good enough in this league but very disappointing in the end last season but will be interesting to see if he responds to Bowyer and the already better attitude from the young players.

Lets be blunt the return of Williamson, DJ, Dunn, Etuhu and Robinson into a first team squad you would hope would have a positive impact. When you look at the quality of those players on paper you would be desperate to have them fit and playing or available off the bench. OF course the issue is fitness and attitude. If Bowyer can get them fired up and playing for him it would help the team immensely.

With regards Robinson wasn't the back injury he had effecting his performances? It was the treatment of it that caused the bigger issue that's kept him out so long.

[FGS5635]

Robbo coming back gives bowyer a dilema. I think we clearly want his wages off the book, but I cant see any manager signing him after the injury he's had without him playing and proving he's kinda still got it. So does bowyer play him to try and put him in the shop window to offload in Jan?

[roversR4ever]

Robbo is if fit still our best keeper. I do think his performances were hindered with the back problem. He obviously has certain weaknesses but hes a very good keeper, his experience could help the team if his fitness and attitude are good. The impression I have of him is he is a very good pro, who will work hard to get into the team.

I genuinely do think with such a young team his experience is vital. Also I don't think it would knock Jakes confidence if he did lose his place to Robbo as Robbo is held with high regard.

I also believe it might still be beneficial for Jake to train with Robbo. I can see Robbo being moved out of the club because of his wages but in his case I do hope its not until the summer. Keepers train together and I genuinely think Jake could learn a lot from Robbo, for any keeper to get to the level Robbo has achieved means they have had to train hard. Hes experienced all of the highs and lows in the game and that experience really could help Jake to get better as a keeper.(don't forget he is only 22)

[FGS5635]

He's been out for a long while now though and at his age it could be tough to get back to form

[roversR4ever]

True, but keepers play longer age wise. Also in some ways the one benefit from his period out is its given his body time to rest and recover. At his age there could be benefits to that. The impression I have from him is he is a determined character. Probably more determined than people give him credit for.

Whats kept him out for so long isn't a recurring long term injury such as knee injury etc that could go again. So in some ways he has a better chance of getting back.

[FGS5635]

Yh possibly. I guess we will find out soon enough as he should be close to a game soon

[Blue blood]

Blimey, I pointed out around a month ago, on this thread, that Venky's might very well believe that results weren't good enough. There's no reason why rovers, with the right manager and the right transfer policy - and the two come together, couldn't have been where Burnley currently are. I just think that with them taking the view that Bowyer "deserved a chance" (whatever that means), they might have missed a trick. And missing that trick might have cost them and the club, big time.

Lately I've been thinking that If the clubs finances are as bad as being rumoured and ffp hitting us hard next season, then we are not in any position to be thinking long term, we need to do all we can to get out of this league this season and our best chance of that would be getting in Holloway(if he gets the sack).

It wasn't just the changes of manager that upset things last year, the power struggles and disruptive players played just a big a part in our failure, I think if a good respected new manager came in this season(around xmas time, if things don't pick up) it wouldn't cause as big of a stink as when new managers came in last season.

Said similar myself, that we need a strategy in line with our situation - something Rovers clearly aren't doing.

Not 100% sure Holloway is the answer, and he seemed to do better when he had time to build a squad (e.g. Plymouth, Blackpool) then taking jobs midway through a season (at Palace for example he wasn't as impressive) which could factor into our thinking.

Regardless of whether Bowyer is the right man or not, he's certainly not been given the resources needed to get us out of this division.

[arbitro]

I was a bit surprised by Gary today when he only used two substitutes but put Dann up front for the last ten minutes and played three at the back. Surely Best should have come on for Kane and at least we would have had a square peg up there. I honestly was baffled by this and whilst Gary is inexperienced surely he could have seen this too.

[JAL]

I was a bit surprised by Gary today when he only used two substitutes but put Dann up front for the last ten minutes and played three at the back. Surely Best should have come on for Kane and at least we would have had a square peg up there. I honestly was baffled by this and whilst Gary is inexperienced surely he could have seen this too.

Sounds like big question marks on GB's ability to manage the first team.

[LDRover]

Make Dyche an offer he can't refuse??

[Amo]

Make Dyche an offer he can't refuse??

People said the same nonsense about Coyle.

[booth]

Make Dyche an offer he can't refuse??

He's doing well but they weren't too impressed with him last season. A lot of managers have had fine starts to the season, or worked wonders with very little, do we make them an offer too?

About Bowyer, I can't help feeling that he's on a tightrope at the moment. I can't see him lasting the season unless things change.

[martonrover]

He's doing well but they weren't too impressed with him last season. A lot of managers have had fine starts to the season, or worked wonders with very little, do we make them an offer too?

About Bowyer, I can't help feeling that he's on a tightrope at the moment. I can't see him lasting the season unless things change.

If Venky's are thinking of selling up in the Summer they will probably stick with him regardless to save cash.

[Tardyrover]

I hope he's here for a while. We are much improved in a short time!

[booth]

If Venky's are thinking of selling up in the Summer they will probably stick with him regardless to save cash.

They won't, they don't adhere to any kind of normal or well thought logic.

If we have a couple of bad results in the coming fixtures and drop a few positions, I can imagine Balaji ringing up Shebby telling him him to find the next Mourinho.

[DanLad]

They won't, they don't adhere to any kind of normal or well thought logic.

If we have a couple of bad results in the coming fixtures and drop a few positions, I can imagine Balaji ringing up Shebby telling him him to find the next Mourinho.

Wouldn't surprise me to see Craig Short as manager before the end of the season.

[T.J.Newton]

I just want to see a bit more consistency in our results(obviously of the positive kind)

[LDRover]

People said the same nonsense about Coyle.

Coyle sneaked in through the playoffs and spent a few quid.

This fella is tearing the league up after losing his top scorer and spending next to nowt. His team are well drilled, fit and give little away, add this to the excellent work he did at Watford and I think you're looking at a proper manager.

Put it this way, one way or another, he'll be a Premiership manager inside the next 2 years.

[Tom]

Second post I'm ashamed of today but I find Dyche hard to dislike as a manager he seems to do things the right way and rarely seems to moan about luck and referees

[LDRover]

Agree Tom. A good 2nd prize would be the pressure turned up on Mackay, Jol and Hughton to the point that they're sacked. Dyche will be on all of their shortlists and in turn feck Burnley up.

[Salgado Is A Hero]

Second post I'm ashamed of today but I find Dyche hard to dislike as a manager he seems to do things the right way and rarely seems to moan about luck and referees

Yea he was good on the Fantasy Football programme as well. And his team of the best 11 players he's ever played with, he had Lucas Neill and Steven Reid from when they were at Millwall together.

[RevidgeBlue]

Dyche is doing extremely well thus far, whether he can keep it up is another matter.

Bowyer's cause would be helped considerably if various players weren't getting themselves needlessly sent off every other game but conversely you might argue that's down to the manager and he needs to be slightly less pally with the players and crack down in terms of discipline.

[chaddyrovers]

Bowyer's cause would be helped considerably if various players weren't getting themselves needlessly sent off every other game but conversely you might argue that's down to the manager and he needs to be slightly less pally with the players and crack down in terms of discipline.

Bowyer cracked down on Best when he step out of line by not playing him, taking internal disciplinary action and getting him to apologise to Bowyer, staff and the players for his comments and actions. when this happened some people on the messageboard were saying Bowyer was being too tough on Best.