[Archived] Bowyer

[Rover_Shaun]

Bowyer is Venkys man and that's where his problems will always begin and end in many peoples subconscious

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Bowyer is Venkys man and that's where his problems will always begin and end in many peoples subconscious

Rubbish - Bowyer is a realist - he has to work with them - doesn't make him "Venkys man"

[Rover_Shaun]

I mean in the context of who chose him and employed him. LOL

I think you need to refer to his recent toadying, and insulting (to the supporter base) comments about despised owners from his recent unnecessary junket to India before wrongly deducing he is his own man

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

I mean in the context of who chose him and employed him. LOL

I think you need to refer to his recent toadying, and insulting (to the supporter base) comments about despised owners from his recent unnecessary junket to India before wrongly deducing he is his own man

Even if he thought any different - how would it help his position or that of the club to say so. Whether we like it or not a positive message is the only one he can realistically give - anything else would potentially see the supporter base fall away even further.

[RevidgeBlue]

Bowyer is Venkys man and that's where his problems will always begin and end in many peoples subconscious

Why is he Venky's man exactly? He was here long before they arrived at the Club. If he was sacked and someone else came in, then by the same token they would be "Venky's man" as well surely.

If he has shown a flaw imo it is that he is has put far too much faith in "his boys", i.e. the players he previously worked with as youngsters. Judge and Marrow have proved a bit disappointing imo whilst he appears to see a completely different level of ability in Lowe to the one I do.

Overall though he is doing a pretty good job imo. We have a very young side and I don't think we're far away from getting it right.

[Rover_Shaun]

Kean was already at the club too.

I see Bowyer as being chosen because he will toe the line and not because he was the best man for the job.

Like all venky employees he is tainted by association. But that's just me.

[RevidgeBlue]

Kean was already at the club too.

I see Bowyer as being chosen because he will toe the line and not because he was the best man for the job.

Like all venky employees he is tainted by association. But that's just me.

If he were to be replaced, you wouldn't expect his replacement to openly criticise the owners in public would you? If you take the job and all it entails I guess that means toeing the party line, publicly at least.

I don't suppose Ferguson agreed with everything the Glazers did at United but you never caught him being anything other than fully supportive of them in public. He knew which side his bread was buttered.

[Stuart]

I wonder what Cloughie would have said, had he been unceremoniously dumped like Allardyce was.

[RevidgeBlue]

I wonder what Cloughie would have said, had he been unceremoniously dumped like Allardyce was.

Well, when he was unceremoniously dumped by Leeds after 30 days due to player power he accepted a huge pay off from Leeds to keep his mouth shut and when interviewed on TV immediately afterwards he was all smiles and joked that he was feeling extremely well disposed towards the then Leeds chairman Manny Cussins due to the financial settlement. Of course privately it must have hurt him terribly.

[Amo]

I'm certainly not advocating the removal of Bowyer - but I do believe that he could be getting a little more out of this current crop of players. Yes injuries haven't helped us, but he doesn't seem to i) know his best team and II) know how to set us up. Also, I've thought all season that his subs have been very poor, while his continued use of Cairney either out wide or in the hole has been infuriating.

He's no doubt giving it his best shot under ridiculously tough circumstances though, and IMO there really would be no point in potting him now. Our final memory of this club barring some financial mircale would be of Judan Ali at the helm!

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Why is it most people can see Cairney isn't a winger or a second-striker and yet Bowyer persists? It's not as if we're missing players for either of those two positions, especially the former. Judge, Taylor, and Marshall should all be playing there ahead of Cairney.

[Stuart]

Well, when he was unceremoniously dumped by Leeds after 30 days due to player power he accepted a huge pay off from Leeds to keep his mouth shut and when interviewed on TV immediately afterwards he was all smiles and joked that he was feeling extremely well disposed towards the then Leeds chairman Manny Cussins due to the financial settlement. Of course privately it must have hurt him terribly.

Well. Just goes to show, money will buy the silence of even the biggest of heads gobs.

But surely even he wouldn't have been 'well disposed' to Kean and Venkys!

[thenodrog]

If he were to be replaced, you wouldn't expect his replacement to openly criticise the owners in public would you? If you take the job and all it entails I guess that means toeing the party line, publicly at least.

I don't suppose Ferguson agreed with everything the Glazers did at United but you never caught him being anything other than fully supportive of them in public. He knew which side his bread was buttered.

More a case of 'United we stand ... divided we fall'. Fergy epitomised unity in public!

I wonder what Cloughie would have said, had he been unceremoniously dumped like Allardyce was.

Depends entirely on whether he had Sam's strings attached multi million pound pay off offered to him.

[RevidgeBlue]

Well. Just goes to show, money will buy the silence of even the biggest of heads gobs.

But surely even he wouldn't have been 'well disposed' to Kean and Venkys!

Stu, Cloughie claimed latter that night Yorkshire TV sandbagged him by inviting him in for interview and when he got there former Leeds and now England manager Don Revie who was practically canonised round Elland Rd was also in the studio.

The subsequent live TV spat between them chaired by Austin Mitchell is one of the most compelling bits of TV I've ever seen.

Basically Revie tried to admonish Clough for his treatment of "his lads" and Clough verbally ran rings round Revie and reduced him to a blustering wreck by saying he wanted to win things "better" than him the point of which was completely lost on Revie.

Stunning stuff. I wasn't even aware of it until I watched "The Damned United" then I made a point of watching the original on Youtube.

[Gav]

Bowyer is Venkys man and that's where his problems will always begin and end in many peoples subconscious

Complete and utter rubbish, they own the club and appointed him yes, but to call him a Venkys man is nonsense. That rat Kean was a Venkys man, he'd have sold his own mother to impress/rob those idiots in Pube, Bowyers twice the man that lying rat is.

The last thing we need right now is a change of manager, have you lot learned nothing over the past 3yrs?

[saxo1man30]

i have thought about things long and hard over the last few hours and come to the conclusion the club is @#/?, so may as well keep bowyer in charge, as after we fail to achieve promotion, we`re gonna be reduced to fielding academy teams in the coming seasons, which of course is bowyer`s specialist area..

i`m coming close to being past caring, it has to be said..

[yoda]

i have thought about things long and hard over the last few hours and come to the conclusion the club is keaned, so may as well keep bowyer in charge, as after we fail to achieve promotion, we`re gonna be reduced to fielding academy teams in the coming seasons, which of course is bowyer`s specialist area..

i`m coming close to being past caring, it has to be said..

"i have thought about things long and hard over the last few hours and come to the conclusion the club is keened"

I am completely lost for words

[arbitro]

i have thought about things long and hard over the last few hours and come to the conclusion the club is keaned, so may as well keep bowyer in charge, as after we fail to achieve promotion, we`re gonna be reduced to fielding academy teams in the coming seasons, which of course is bowyer`s specialist area..

i`m coming close to being past caring, it has to be said..

Then you can go back to supporting Liverpool again, it has to be said.

[Stuart]

Stu, Cloughie claimed latter that night Yorkshire TV sandbagged him by inviting him in for interview and when he got there former Leeds and now England manager Don Revie who was practically canonised round Elland Rd was also in the studio.

The subsequent live TV spat between them chaired by Austin Mitchell is one of the most compelling bits of TV I've ever seen.

Basically Revie tried to admonish Clough for his treatment of "his lads" and Clough verbally ran rings round Revie and reduced him to a blustering wreck by saying he wanted to win things "better" than him the point of which was completely lost on Revie.

Stunning stuff. I wasn't even aware of it until I watched "The Damned United" then I made a point of watching the original on Youtube.

Think I've seen it before but I've just watched it again. Fantastic stuff. The guy just oozed charisma.

Doesn't sound like the kind of guy who's just signed a golden handcuffs gagging order, mind.

Oh, to have that Cloughie around now. He'd make Mourinho look like a salt-and-pepper Megson.

[thenodrog]

i have thought about things long and hard over the last few hours and come to the conclusion the club is keaned,

Thought 'long and hard' for a few hours????

[SoldierMo]

With regard to bowyer and tactixs theres only one place hes going wrong thats having two defensive midfielders against bolton and barnsley had cairney and lowe and we destroyed them dont understand why hes changed it to two def mids

[Stuart]

Thought 'long and hard' for a few hours????

You should see the state of his carpet!

[yoda's brother]

Kean was already at the club too.

I see Bowyer as being chosen because he will toe the line and not because he was the best man for the job.

Like all venky employees he is tainted by association. But that's just me.

so by your reasoning any manager we have would be a venkys man and would be tainted etc.

Thought 'long and hard' for a few hours????

his head hurt

[Rover_Shaun]

 

so by your reasoning any manager we have would be a venkys man and would be tainted etc.

Well surely if they are preparared to work for them and run thousands of miles like a lap dog then yes....LOL

Tainted by association until the loons feck off

[Leonard Venkhater]

 

Well surely if they are preparared to work for them and run thousands of miles like a lap dog then yes....LOL

Tainted by association until the loons feck off

As far as I am concerned, the only one who could travel so many miles to Pune and return with any credibility would be a hitman...

[EgyptianPete]

As far as I am concerned, the only one who could travel so many miles to Pune and return with any credibility would be a hitman...

ha ha, i still say with all the crap we can still have a chuckle.