[Archived] Bowyer

[Majiball]

Swears alot

So it's a fat guy, waving a phone around, who loves a flutter and swears a lot?

Next time just say hi ABBEY!

[roversfan99]

The argument that Bowyer has done well regarding cutting the wage bill and cutting costs, an argument I have seen a few times, is completely without foundation in my opinion.

He has not got any worth from many of his signings. Players like Alex Marrow, Simon Eastwood and Yann Songo'o show that he is no different in terms of signing players we simply won't use and didn't need. Yes, they may not be our higher earners but its still unnecessary. Alan Judge is ignored despite being another Bowyer signing. DJ Campbell is on big wages but is a sub at most within our squad, when we have another high earner in Leon Best that isn't being considered, but he won't be going anywhere anytime soon. Ben Marshall cost £1m and looks totally useless. Yes, Nuno Gomes and Danny Murphy are gone but we paid their contracts off.

If you look at his good signings. Corry Evans was but he did cost a fair chunk of money for a skint club. Tom Cairney has been totally misused for a fair few weeks and goes back to Hull next month. And Tommy Spurr is solid enough but is far from perfect, as shown by yesterdays first goal. Chris Taylor has talent but again is seemingly not trusted by Bowyer.

A manager like Holloway could get that extra few % from the squad in my opinion. He can get teams out of this league. He can motivate teams and make braver calls regarding substitutions. Yes, the job Bowyer inherited was far from an easy one, but his signings have been uninspiring and the team has shown no signs of going on a consistent run. I think if the owners had any sense, which they don't, then they would be regretting not appointing an experienced manager in the summer. But nothing changes with these morons.

In the summer, Bowyer inherited a 30 goal a season striker, a few talented attacking players in Dunn, Rochina and King, Dann and Hanley who can combine well at centre back. All of whom would get it many of our rivals teams. He was then allowed to sign more than a teams worth of players despite having Etuhu, Robinson and Best amongst others taking up massive wages without playing. That is a luxury he was allowed that shouldn't be overlooked.

If he continues as I expect, then I hope he is expected to improve our results, the expectation seems to be promotion/play offs, as per our marketing, and we are nowhere near, and don't look like going on a run to get there. I will back him but expect to see changes. I hope to see improvements from his own signings, I hope to see more proactive substitutions, better away form and the team to have better balance ie Cairney to play centrally.

Maybe it would be harsh to sack him, I would only consider that if as I previously mentioned Holloway would come, and I am not underestimating the quality of our squad, I appreciate it is limited, but Bowyer must take his share of the blame for not adequately improving it. Fingers crossed we see some improvements.

[Rover_Shaun]

The problem with the playoffs and clubs of Rovers ilk is that those clubs spend a whole season saying to themselves "We are only x points from the playoffs" whilst never ever really threatening to get there.

This x number usually fluctuates between 6-12 points and thus the club never take that extra step thinking that "a good run could be just round the corner" until the point comes where the whole season has been one big waste of everyone's time and promotion is a mere pipe dream.

Sometimes brave and difficult decisions are needed to turn seasons around. Another thing that Rovers current adminsitration lack.

[DE.]

I check scores normally but nothing more, Ipswich at home with appleton leading the charge even had me wishing for the return of Allardycio, it was that bad.

Does this guy make a lot of noise during matches?

That game was abhorrent. The second half kicked off and we stood on the concourse sipping our beers, in absolutely no rush to trudge back and endure another 45 turgid minutes.

Sometimes brave and difficult decisions are needed to turn seasons around. Another thing that Rovers current adminsitration lack.

And sometimes such decisions can totally destabilise a season and plunge a team into trouble. Let's not kid ourselves into believing such decisions always work out well.

[yoda]

The problem with the playoffs and clubs of Rovers ilk is that those clubs spend a whole season saying to themselves "We are only x points from the playoffs" whilst never ever really threatening to get there.

This x number usually fluctuates between 6-12 points and thus the club never take that extra step thinking that "a good run could be just round the corner" until the point comes where the whole season has been one big waste of everyone's time and promotion is a mere pipe dream.

Sometimes brave and difficult decisions are needed to turn seasons around. Another thing that Rovers current adminsitration lack.

yep, there is no substitute for points on the board

[Mike E]

You have obviously not been in the same room as Souness when in full flow (speaking that is) immaculately dressed and very effective speaker,

one of Souness's Rovers teams

Blackburn: Friedel, Taylor, Berg, Johansson, Bjornebye, Gillespie (Hignett 77), Dunn, Hughes, Duff, Jansen (Yordi 74), Cole.

Subs Not Used: Miller, Curtis, Mahon.

Good point and well made (thinking of his Sky punditry). I was thinking more of his own playing style.

[Rover_Shaun]

And sometimes such decisions can totally destabilise a season and plunge a team into trouble. Let's not kid ourselves into believing such decisions always work out well.

Hence the use of difficult and brave. What would we have to lose in reality? No promotion and we're most likely looking at league one anyway within 2 years

[chaddyrovers]

Sack him now and get Holloway or warnock in.....maybe a bit of january dealing can push us forward.

Holloway wont come to Rovers. not after what happened when he was interview by Shaw and Shebby. Shebby fault.

Warnock is a has been and should be left on Talksport

Its way too early to talk about sacking Bowyer - he only became proper manager in summer. There are positives (home form) but obviously areas to improve (away form). I think he's been unlucky too with injuries. Evans and Dunn have been missing at key times. I would not trust the owners to appoint anyone sensible in a million years - we'd end up with Judan Ali or someone like that.

If Bowyer is sack then Shebby will most likely return to the club and will make Rovers a laughing stock again with his cluless comments. not of us Rovers fans want Shebby back.

I agree with you about leaving Bowyer in the job. its been 18 league games. FFS. we cant keeping sacking managers.

The argument that Bowyer has done well regarding cutting the wage bill and cutting costs, an argument I have seen a few times, is completely without foundation in my opinion.

He has not got any worth from many of his signings. Players like Alex Marrow, Simon Eastwood and Yann Songo'o show that he is no different in terms of signing players we simply won't use and didn't need. Yes, they may not be our higher earners but its still unnecessary. Alan Judge is ignored despite being another Bowyer signing. DJ Campbell is on big wages but is a sub at most within our squad, when we have another high earner in Leon Best that isn't being considered, but he won't be going anywhere anytime soon. Ben Marshall cost £1m and looks totally useless. Yes, Nuno Gomes and Danny Murphy are gone but we paid their contracts off.

If you look at his good signings. Corry Evans was but he did cost a fair chunk of money for a skint club. Tom Cairney has been totally misused for a fair few weeks and goes back to Hull next month. And Tommy Spurr is solid enough but is far from perfect, as shown by yesterdays first goal. Chris Taylor has talent but again is seemingly not trusted by Bowyer.

A manager like Holloway could get that extra few % from the squad in my opinion. He can get teams out of this league. He can motivate teams and make braver calls regarding substitutions. Yes, the job Bowyer inherited was far from an easy one, but his signings have been uninspiring and the team has shown no signs of going on a consistent run. I think if the owners had any sense, which they don't, then they would be regretting not appointing an experienced manager in the summer. But nothing changes with these morons.

In the summer, Bowyer inherited a 30 goal a season striker, a few talented attacking players in Dunn, Rochina and King, Dann and Hanley who can combine well at centre back. All of whom would get it many of our rivals teams. He was then allowed to sign more than a teams worth of players despite having Etuhu, Robinson and Best amongst others taking up massive wages without playing. That is a luxury he was allowed that shouldn't be overlooked.

If he continues as I expect, then I hope he is expected to improve our results, the expectation seems to be promotion/play offs, as per our marketing, and we are nowhere near, and don't look like going on a run to get there. I will back him but expect to see changes. I hope to see improvements from his own signings, I hope to see more proactive substitutions, better away form and the team to have better balance ie Cairney to play centrally.

Maybe it would be harsh to sack him, I would only consider that if as I previously mentioned Holloway would come, and I am not underestimating the quality of our squad, I appreciate it is limited, but Bowyer must take his share of the blame for not adequately improving it. Fingers crossed we see some improvements.

you make some decent points.

But firstly, some players take time to settled into the club more than others do and the area they are moving to and also have to get their families settled into the area regarding finding new houses, kids into schools, etc

secondly, DJ Campbell wasn't a Bowyer signing. he was signed by Appleton and according to some reports Bowyer didn't even know that DJ had signed a pre-contract and GB was shocked when DJ turned up at the training ground.

Thirdly, Bowyer was tasked with cutting the wage bill and making most of his signings on free. which he did.

fourthly, not a lot of experience managers would have taken the job in the summer with cuts in the budgets happening. didn't see a lot of these managers saying they wanted the job either. also Venkys reputation in sacking managers is also a problem and certain people advising the owners is also a problem aswell.

fifthly, Players like Etuhu and Best aren't in Bowyer long term plans and Rovers would like to get rid somehow even on a loan. Cant see Robbo playing within the next 6 weeks either.

[Sparky Marky]

fourthly, not a lot of experience managers would have taken the job in the summer with cuts in the budgets happening.

Twaddle. You are the most deluded of the lot of them..

[chaddyrovers]

Twaddle. You are the most deluded of the lot of them..

muppet!!!

hope you enjoyed listening to your mate Colin on Talksport talking crap on there. always decent people on there are Darren Gough, Adrian Durham and Andy Gray

[Sparky Marky]

If you

muppet!!!

hope you enjoyed listening to your mate Colin on Talksport talking crap on there. always decent people on there are Darren Gough, Adrian Durham and Andy Gray

Alan Brazil could do a better job than bowyer and he's @#/? half the time...

[donnermeat]

No sixthly and seventhly chaddy?

[roversfan99]

you make some decent points.

But firstly, some players take time to settled into the club more than others do and the area they are moving to and also have to get their families settled into the area regarding finding new houses, kids into schools, etc

Not sure that can be given as an excuse. The signings were from England, they have hardly got to come to terms with a culture change. Things like that are helped by the club plus many signings were early in the summer.

secondly, DJ Campbell wasn't a Bowyer signing. he was signed by Appleton and according to some reports Bowyer didn't even know that DJ had signed a pre-contract and GB was shocked when DJ turned up at the training ground.

This hasn't been confirmed by Bowyer. Wouldn't surprise me though as Appleton is an idiot with no future as a manager. Didn't know what he was doing.

Thirdly, Bowyer was tasked with cutting the wage bill and making most of his signings on free. which he did.

He did not cut the wage bill, thats a myth. A couple of high earners were paid off by the owners. If anything, Bowyer has made things worse by signings players like Songo'o, Marrow and Eastwood, who are never used. Yes they might not be on much, but they are totally pointless signings, they will never be used barely. Plus spending £1m on Marshall who is crap.

fourthly, not a lot of experience managers would have taken the job in the summer with cuts in the budgets happening. didn't see a lot of these managers saying they wanted the job either. also Venkys reputation in sacking managers is also a problem and certain people advising the owners is also a problem aswell.

I think they would.

fifthly, Players like Etuhu and Best aren't in Bowyer long term plans and Rovers would like to get rid somehow even on a loan. Cant see Robbo playing within the next 6 weeks either.

Hope Robbo is back in the next couple of weeks. Back in full training so not far off as Bowyer said. Etuhu and Best will be wanted by no one. Especially with Etuhu injured.

[chaddyrovers]

Point 1, Not sure that can be given as an excuse. The signings were from England, they have hardly got to come to terms with a culture change. Things like that are helped by the club plus many signings were early in the summer.

Point 2. This hasn't been confirmed by Bowyer. Wouldn't surprise me though as Appleton is an idiot with no future as a manager. Didn't know what he was doing.

Point 3. He did not cut the wage bill, thats a myth. A couple of high earners were paid off by the owners. If anything, Bowyer has made things worse by signings players like Songo'o, Marrow and Eastwood, who are never used. Yes they might not be on much, but they are totally pointless signings, they will never be used barely. Plus spending £1m on Marshall who is crap.

Point 4. Hope Robbo is back in the next couple of weeks. Back in full training so not far off as Bowyer said. Etuhu and Best will be wanted by no one. Especially with Etuhu injured.

Point 1. clearly you haven't moved from different areas of the country. finding the right house can be a nightmare and take ages to find the right one. same with Schools.

Point 2. this will confirmed by some good rovers sources like Andrew Cryer and I'm think a member of this forum said that DJ had signed a pre contract with Rovers just before Appleton sacking. this was reported on here at the time

Point 3. the wage bill has been cut. Players like Murphy and Gomes. so that's 55k of the wage bill. plus with Olsson(15-20k), Pedersen(25k), Formica(20-25k), Rosado(15k), so that's nearly 120k a week of the wage bill plus other players we let go and send back the loan players of Kazim Richards and Sandomiski. Plus Marshall looked fairly decent against Ipswich according to some fans we went to the game

Point 4. Robinson wont be back playing before Christmas in my view. you know he had a Serious injury in having Blood cot in the lung and I would defo not rush him back either. he needs to come back when properly physical and mental right.

[T.J.Newton]

No sixthly and seventhly chaddy?

Hehehee

Paying players millions to end there contracts or sending them out on loan(whilst still paying all their wages) isn't quite the best way to improve the clubs finances!

[T.J.Newton]

Then you have best, etuhu and Robinson probably get paid the best part of 100k a week altogether and contributing nothing in return.

[pick32]

I think Bowyers signings have been positive

For me Taylor Marshall and judge need to be given more of a chance. Spurr is the best natural left back we have had since warnock departed.

Killagon who is a perfect replacemen for givet a cb who can be lb cover, Evans and Cairney are a class above the cm pairing we had last season. The only negatives are Marrow (panic buy before hull boys) Songo (good pre season hasn't lived up to it) and Eastwood (no budget left for a keeper best we could have done).

We could do with obviously getting rid of Best, Ethuhu, Marrow, Marcus Olsson and a couple of fringe players to stabilise the wage bill.

[Rover_Shaun]

"The players understood more the passion and desire that I have, what my standards are, what is acceptable and what is not acceptable,” said Bowyer

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Jeez Louise. How long has he been in the job? And he's just getting around to explaining his expectations NOW.

[arbitro]

Hehehee

Paying players millions to end there contracts or sending them out on loan(whilst still paying all their wages) isn't quite the best way to improve the clubs finances!

Sending them out on loan with the loaning club paying part of their wages will save some money. Why would you want to keep a player on big money who contributes nothing and is probably disruptive? If any club are prepared to pay say £10k of their wages that will represent money saved.

I read the other day that Man City are still paying Adebayor £40 per week. He was on £100k and Tottenham are picking up the difference.

[T.J.Newton]

Any money that is being paid to a senior player by us whilst he's playing for another club is money wasted, sadly though we cant just boot out disruptive and/or underperforming players without paying off their contracts so the clubs hands are tied(where gonna get financially shafted either way and the nobjob player is always going to be smiling)

[thenodrog]

I've been banging on for years about the benefits of short term contracts over long term ones except in very extreme cases. Long term contracts have bled us for years. A certain ex Rover summed up the shysters perfectly.... antics like going to Harley St on a regular basis to get a sick note which no club Doctor dare overule then suddenly getting off their sick beds Lazarus like and putting a decent shift in just before their contract comes up for renewal and then repeating the process. Agents know that if their 'boy' doesn't play much it will extend both their trips on the gravy train.

[tomphil]

I reckon there's been a bit of that going on over the past few years. Agents getting their injury prone clients into the club with probably a little help from some inside the club for a nice drink. Venkys to stupid to see whats going on. It would explain a few things, especialy the attitude of some of these players. T##ts the lot of em.

[donnermeat]

Sending them out on loan with the loaning club paying part of their wages will save some money. Why would you want to keep a player on big money who contributes nothing and is probably disruptive? If any club are prepared to pay say £10k of their wages that will represent money saved.

I read the other day that Man City are still paying Adebayor £40 per week. He was on £100k and Tottenham are picking up the difference.

Think those kind of deals last as long as the duration of contract with the former club. Still barmy mind and just shows how player power has gone a bit mad and how desperate some clubs are to be rid of them.

The first time I heard of practices such as this were back to the beginning of the Leeds United meltdown days, they agreed on so many of these deals, just to get (part) wages off the books.

[RevidgeBlue]

A lot of us said after the performance at Ipswich we needed to see a big reaction from both the manager and the players and I think by and large we've seen that.

So well done to GB, keep it up and don't let standards slip!

[RockinRover]

This thread is always so quiet when we win and so loud when we lose.