[Archived] Bowyer

[Guest Norbert]

If Makay was available.................then maybe I'd be pondering about changes. However, I do like Bowyer and he does seem to be a decent coach so I'd like to keep him in such a capacity even then.

It is a tricky situation if that was ever to crop up.

[yoda]

Unrealistic and destined for the Premiership (Cardiff according to Pat Murphy)

Shoot for the moon, if you miss you end up in the stars,

gross lack of ambition that post

[broadsword]

but just think - if he's managed to get us within three points of a play off place, where could a better manager, with better use of the transfer budget have got us, in this pisspot league? We could certainly have been in the play off places or better.

It's a pretty simple point you're making, Den.

If they could afford to keep the club running, then I would imagine there's some budgetary headroom to have got a seasoned manager with championship experience in, rather than just promote the academy director. Appointing Bowyer was an unimaginative, lazy, careless appointment. And that's not in any way to deride his performance. Even if they couldn't have offered an increase in salary, surely a big bonus for promotion, which would save our skins, could've been offered.

But given the slapdash crazy way we've been run over the last few years, is it really any surprise?

[Stuart]

It's a pretty simple point you're making, Den.

If they could afford to keep the club running, then I would imagine there's some budgetary headroom to have got a seasoned manager with championship experience in, rather than just promote the academy director. Appointing Bowyer was an unimaginative, lazy, careless appointment. And that's not in any way to deride his performance. Even if they couldn't have offered an increase in salary, surely a big bonus for promotion, which would save our skins, could've been offered.

But given the slapdash crazy way we've been run over the last few years, is it really any surprise?

And when you consider we are losing £2m per month, giving that to a Mackay (where've I heard that name before) might just be the difference.

I guess we will just have to hope we managed to find a true gem, at the fourth time of asking, and we make it. It does seem it was an unnecessary gamble though.

[Guest Norbert]

Since we're 3-0 down to Brum as I type, and apparently playing the worst game in ages, I do wonder who would come if the trigger is pulled. Mackay? Not sure he's up for more idiotic owners (though I would be up for him coming in).

I'm not sure who is readily available other than Mackay or Holloway, but the question is can we trust the Raos/Shelfie/Singh to get the right man in? We might end up with Paul O'Grady!

[Rover_Shaun]

Bowyer won't get sacked as we are were we should be given the summer transfers and the questionable managerial decisions

As for managers there are premiership jobs up for grabs. Mackay is favourite for WBA now.

[Baggie192]

Blue and White Army beat me to it I think Mackay will end up at ours

[Guest Norbert]

Which of course increases the likelihood of the incoming manager being some complete assclown. Anyone fancy seeing Appleton return? I wouldn't put it past our glorious leaders.

[Tom]

Sugarcoat it or wrap it in doom but either way he's managed his team to 1 point from 2 immensely winnable home games

Anyone who had seen a single game with Cairney out wide could tell you it wouldn't work yet he continues to use him there

I imagine he's a great coach and a top guy but i would be trying to bring someone with a tactical brain alongside him

[DE.]

I usually defend him but not today. Starting with Lowe and Williamson in the centre and Cairney out wide is utter stupidity. It's failed so many times this season and yet he continues to do it anyway, absolutely baffling.

Last two games have been a disaster and whilst the players are poor, GB has contributed massively with bad tactics and a refusal to change certain elements of the team that are not working.

Doesn't help that we have no experienced goalkeeper at present and that our second best player is old and horrifically injury prone, but we are where we are and the last two games have just not been good enough. Improvement needed very quickly.

[Devon Rover]

Sugarcoat it or wrap it in doom but either way he's managed his team to 1 point from 2 immensely winnable home games

Anyone who had seen a single game with Cairney out wide could tell you it wouldn't work yet he continues to use him there

I imagine he's a great coach and a top guy but i would be trying to bring someone with a tactical brain alongside him

I agree, Tom. I don't like Bowyer's team selections, his apparent stubborn-ness to stick with things/players that are not succeeding, nor many of the results the team has got from winnable games this season. I won't say "sack him" as I don't think we'll get anyone better due to the owners & finances. However, if that wasn't an issue then I would want someone more experienced in charge and that is what I wanted when Kean, Berg then Appleton left. For Venkys he was the cheap option and that is why he is in the job. In my opinion, anyone on here suggesting Bowyer is a good manager, will lead us to relative success, or is better than a more experienced option, is basing that on very little other than they like him.

[darrenrover]

I'd be reluctantly inclined to agree Tom.

Great for continuity, settled the ship, nice guy but isn't a motivator of MEN.

I wouldn't knock him in any way shape or form, much like Tony Parkes, but as time goes on I don't think GB is the answer, he's probably too nice a guy.

[West Yorks Rover]

I'd be reluctantly inclined to agree Tom.

Great for continuity, settled the ship, nice guy but isn't a motivator of MEN.

I wouldn't knock him in any way shape or form, much like Tony Parkes, but as time goes on I don't think GB is the answer, he's probably too nice a guy.

I tend to agree with both of you, Ipswich now in top 6, I really don't think their players are better than ours, I bet Mick McC keeps

them there, and does what Steve Bruce did with an average Hull team.

It's all about experience, ' been there, done it '

But of course Venky's were never going to employ someone experienced like them.

[broadsword]

Or "Gaz" as the players know him. Sigh.

It's strange, the team I'm reading about is nothing like the one I saw put QPR on the back foot. Perhaps 1 point from Brum and the owls at home is all part of some greater tactical masterplan which my dim intellect can't quite piece together right now.

Or maybe he's just crackers and has an evil self-destructive alter ego that likes to screw things up by making bizarre selections.

Or maybe he's in league with the glaswegian mafia.

[RockinRover]

Okay okay, Bowyer screwed up today and against Wednesday, we can all admit that..

But let's remember where we came from and where we would be without him.. RELEGATED!

Bowyer is the man who saved us last season and he's responsible for all the wins we've had this season just as much as the losses.

We're a midtable championship team, managed by a rookie who is doing a very good job.

If Bowyer goes are you all actually that stupid to think Venky's will even write Mackay's name down on a short list?

The answer is no, they won't. They'll try and find the cheapest option or someone capable of doing it for them.

Let's put it this way. Bowyer goes.. SHEBBY returns and he returns with the circus we've thrown in Pandora's box since Bowyer took charge.

I honestly think Bowyer will learn, he's adapted and fixed things before so give him a chance rather than jumping on him as soon as we lose a game!

[Guest Norbert]

I agree with the consensus on this page. By what I read here he keeps doing the two defensive midfielders, 1 up front which isolates Rhodes a lot of the time. Judging by the game today, we should start with the shape we had in the second half when we had to attack.

If, and as I keep saying, it is a big if, someone good is willing to put up with Venky's, we'd be foolish not to enquire whether they want the job. Especially since it appears to be 'promotion or bust'.

[Stuart]

Bowyer simply MUST learn from today. It seems to me that he started with the same team that finished on Wednesday as a two-fingered salute to the handful who booed at full time. Yet he was more positive in his approach.

This completely backfired as Lowe and Williamson simply do not have the pace to get back when Birmingham broke. Add to this individual mistakes and a disgraceful shove by our supposed leader, Dann, on the hapless Eastwood who failed to deal adequately with the original backpass, and it was a first half to forget. Pathetic from a captain when we have two very green keepers holding fort for is. I can only hope that Bowyer has learned from this - although his Radio Rovers interview comment that the spirit in the dressing room was high at half time (or words to that effect) suggests that he is unlikely to.

To his credit though, he did change it and his substitutions had a really positive effect in the second half. It was actually quite enjoyable and the fans played their part creating a great second half atmosphere in response.

BUT...

It is so, so frustrating to see us throw the kitchen sink at it in search of a point when a similar approach three days ago would have seen us with 3 points instead of one - with some momentum going into this game. I'm not suggesting that we send the keeper up every game but just a similar amount of desire and want to get forward in search of a winner. Bowyer himself said today, on Radio Rovers, that although we did well in the second half, that "it's all about the 3 points". If that were true, there would have been no booing whatsoever against Wednesday.

Amazingly, we are not yet out of the play-off frame so we must build on the second half today.

[rovers11]

I agree with the consensus on this page. By what I read here he keeps doing the two defensive midfielders, 1 up front which isolates Rhodes a lot of the time. Judging by the game today, we should start with the shape we had in the second half when we had to attack.

If, and as I keep saying, it is a big if, someone good is willing to put up with Venky's, we'd be foolish not to enquire whether they want the job. Especially since it appears to be 'promotion or bust'.

The shape we finished with today was the shape we started with against Sheff W which got badly criticised. Just can't win as a manager.

My personal feeling is that GB won't get sacked as he knows the owners on a personal level. He visits them in India and speaks to Mrs D on the phone fairly regularly apparently. This is what Kean did, he didn't get sacked. Appleton and Berg didn't do this and they got sacked.

[Rover_Shaun]

Okay okay, Bowyer screwed up today and against Wednesday, we can all admit that..

But let's remember where we came from and where we would be without him.. RELEGATED!

Bowyer is the man who saved us last season and he's responsible for all the wins we've had this season just as much as the losses.

We're a midtable championship team, managed by a rookie who is doing a very good job.

If Bowyer goes are you all actually that stupid to think Venky's will even write Mackay's name down on a short list?

The answer is no, they won't. They'll try and find the cheapest option or someone capable of doing it for them.

Let's put it this way. Bowyer goes.. SHEBBY returns and he returns with the circus we've thrown in Pandora's box since Bowyer took charge.

I honestly think Bowyer will learn, he's adapted and fixed things before so give him a chance rather than jumping on him as soon as we lose a game!

He isn't learning and we've lost more than a game. The rest made me smile though

[Guest Norbert]

The shape we finished with today was the shape we started with against Sheff W which got badly criticised. Just can't win as a manager.

My personal feeling is that GB won't get sacked as he knows the owners on a personal level. He visits them in India and speaks to Mrs D on the phone fairly regularly apparently. This is what Kean did, he didn't get sacked. Appleton and Berg didn't do this and they got sacked.

Really? To be honest, I've not seen too many games, and I've been going on what people here who do have said.

[DE.]

a disgraceful shove by our supposed leader, Dann, on the hapless Eastwood who failed to deal adequately with the original backpass, and it was a first half to forget. Pathetic from a captain when we have two very green keepers holding fort for is.

Disgusting from Dann, but sums him up. A bully who thinks he's a lot better than he is. If Robbo's in goal Dann wouldn't have the balls to act that way, of that I'm certain.

[Roverthechimp]

Didn't we actually go back to the formation that has proved successful this season - just that Rochina was in place of Dunn?

To say that Bowyer is not a motivator is also @#/? - the contrast in terms of effort and passion compared to the last 3 years is evident to anyone.

A rebuilt midfield, a tighter defence (today excepted) and now the search is on for an affordable attacking option (seeing as our unaffordable backups are not willing/able). Doing a decent job in my opinion but the legacy and expectations mean it might be deemed not good enough by the fans.

[Stuart]

Disgusting from Dann, but sums him up. A bully who thinks he's a lot better than he is. If Robbo's in goal Dann wouldn't have the balls to act that way, of that I'm certain.

He also missed a guilt-edged chance to equalise near the end and gave the ball away dangerously late on. Eastwood would have been well justified in reciprocating.

[West Yorks Rover]

Looking on the bright side sounds like Marshall is coming good and Evans is due back soon,

Got to get Cairney signed-up and play him with Evans in the centre, hope GB has the sense

to do this.

[Stuart]

Didn't we actually go back to the formation that has proved successful this season - just that Rochina was in place of Dunn?

To say that Bowyer is not a motivator is also keans - the contrast in terms of effort and passion compared to the last 3 years is evident to anyone.

A rebuilt midfield, a tighter defence (today excepted) and now the search is on for an affordable attacking option (seeing as our unaffordable backups are not willing/able). Doing a decent job in my opinion but the legacy and expectations mean it might be deemed not good enough by the fans.

Blaming the fans?

I actually like Bowyer and in interviews he comes across as controlled and assured. But he needs time that we don't have.

He may well be the right man at the wrong time.