[Archived] Bowyer

[K-Hod]

And to think, Shay Given went on loan to Middlesbrough, who have co-incidentally hit some form of late.....

[Speedie Dived]

We have got to forget that this is better than the last 3 years.This is timid ,insipid football,you only win if you are positive.Bowyer needs to grasp the nettle and go for it.No more safety first,give the crowd positivity and reap the rewards

25 shots and 63% possession. Errors aside, if their screamer goes over and one of ours goes in we win. We created some very good chances in the first half and then continued to do so against a team that had to do no more than stick 10 behind the ball.

Large proportions of the crowd really do not understand football, the moaning at not kicking the ball forward is beyond a joke. It took an 8 year old lad sitting behind me to point out that we are keeping the ball, 10 passes later we had created a chance.

[Majiball]

25 shots and 63% possession. Errors aside, if their screamer goes over and one of ours goes in we win. We created some very good chances in the first half and then continued to do so against a team that had to do no more than stick 10 behind the ball.

Large proportions of the crowd really do not understand football, the moaning at not kicking the ball forward is beyond a joke. It took an 8 year old lad sitting behind me to point out that we are keeping the ball, 10 passes later we had created a chance.

We're like Andy Cole in that we need more chances than others teams to score the same. yeovil, Wed and now Brum three on the bounce. Keeping the ball is all well and good as is creating chances but if we need 12.5 to score one goal we'll never get where we want to be.

[Speedie Dived]

We're like Andy Cole in that we need more chances than others teams to score the same. yeovil, Wed and now Brum three on the bounce. Keeping the ball is all well and good as is creating chances but if we need 12.5 to score one goal we'll never get where we want to be.

I agree that we are far from clinical. However, the accusation was that Bowyer is not positive. The stat's suggest otherwise.

And he clearly motivated the players at half time, so that cannot be levelled at him.

The one thing i think he does get wrong is Cairney out wide, but he does not offer the same 'protection' (and i use the term loosely) as Lowe and Williamson.

Stick our best player Evans in there and we will get better.

[Majiball]

Stats can be rather erroneous in that all the possession could be in your half and the shots from distance.

Aye great he motivated them at half-time after getting made to looks fools by Brum. Why couldn't he motivate them like that to start the 1st half.

I'm very much of the opinion he plays him there as he wants to play him regardless to show him he will play if he signs.

When Evans is back it will be him and Lowe in the middle and Cairney on the right, with Marshall on the left. That's not for me, but we'll see how it gets on.

[darrenrover]

I agree that we are far from clinical. However, the accusation was that Bowyer is not positive. The stat's suggest otherwise.

And he clearly motivated the players at half time, so that cannot be levelled at him.

Why at half time when we're 3 down?

I like Bowyer but I'd have much prefered the motivation, if that's the case, before 3pm when the scores were level.

We've spurned 5 points at home against supposedly substandard opposition which would have put us in the top six. Other than the last 45 minutes today when the game was already lost, the players didn't look motivated to me. At what point did they look suitably motivated to take either game by the scruff of the neck to gain the requisite points? Moreover in what game so far this season have they done so?

[Majiball]

As Paul would say Bizarre.

[Majiball]

Why hasn't GB mentioned the Boo's at half-time?

[West Yorks Rover]

May as well let Cairney go back to Hull, if he intends to play him wide IMO.

[Dunnfc]

I worry, i mean i'm grateful for him steadying one of the uneasiest ships to safety, Many failed and he did well and we owe him an awful lot for that but as the weeks go on he's looking more and more out of his depth and clueless. Today must be one of the only days his subs have worked and even then he made a pointless one in the dying mins, he must learn to use his subs more effectively and earlier. It's obvious that he tip-toes around his players trying to not upset an apple cart like so many others did before him, he's obviously recognized that these players will rebel hence his over reliance on young players and ex academy darlings such as Judge, and Lowe etc.

He has no Plan B, I don't think he's even sure of Plan A, last Thursday was an embarrassment more so than today, he seems so happy with a clean sheet at times when really id rather have a go and risk a point for three rather than trying to cling on to a stalemate. His signing are questionable to say the least,perhaps he has his arm tied behind his back in regards to the finances but where is Marrow these days? Surely he's better than Williamson of whom he gave a new contract to so now we have to endure him for another 18 months. Judge signed then he grabbed Taylor two but yet neither are starting week in - week out, pick one and loan the other out we can't afford to have the size of this squad so easily dispensable, loan them out save there wages and keep them fit and recall if needed. I'm yet to see this strength and depth he bangs on about, all i see is a load of players who have failed to produce for the last couple of seasons such as your Olsson brother, whilst something must really have gone on for him not to pick Best who could and should be making an impact on this stage.

As an ex academy/reserve coach drop the cloggers like Dann and feed some young lads in and give Kilgallon a go! Can't afford to keep him on the bench on his wages. Give the boys a wake up call as it's needed, field some academy lads in the cup.

[Mike E]

Not the first time 'Gaz' has said things have been unacceptable. It's already sounding hollow.

Hollow? Last time he said that we got a draw at QPR and a tidy little 4 games unbeaten until today.

Not to mention that either we have a team that has his respect after a HT bollocking OR the team knows just how well it can perform. Either way, we're a long way from sacking Bowyer or failing to reach the playoffs.

We're merely at the halfway point, with a nice platform. If we play consistently on top of what has supposedly been a poor first half of the season then we absolutely CAN reach the playoffs.

Today's overall performance and particularly the 2nd half says more about us than 3 sloppy goals (after a lovely run of clean sheets).

[Speedie Dived]

Why at half time when we're 3 down?

I like Bowyer but I'd have much prefered the motivation, if that's the case, before 3pm when the scores were level.

We've spurned 5 points at home against supposedly substandard opposition which would have put us in the top six. Other than the last 45 minutes today when the game was already lost, the players didn't look motivated to me. At what point did they look suitably motivated to take either game by the scruff of the neck to gain the requisite points? Moreover in what game so far this season have they done so?

The point was made earlier that he cannot motivate the team. They were motivated in the first half and the more difficult second. You play that game 99/100 today and we win, it was a freak.

[darrenrover]

May as well let Cairney go back to Hull, if he intends to play him wide IMO.

FFS WYR don't say that.

If Dunny's crocked more often than not, Rochina is ostracised in addition to letting Cairney return to Humberside, heaven forbid our creative options!

Unless of course our intrepid owners have a plan!.......... (Ronaldo, Nehmar, Ozil)

[darrenrover]

The point was made earlier that he cannot motivate the team. They were motivated in the first half and the more difficult second. You play that game 99/100 today and we win, it was a freak.

We'll have to agree to disagree because over 3 halves of 4 over 2 games the players were in sufficiently motivated to me to go for 6 points available and desperate for our survival.

3-0 down at home by half time is not a freak, particularly with effectively 6 defenders in front of a weak goalkeeper.

[West Yorks Rover]

FFS WYR don't say that.

If Dunny's crocked more often than not, Rochina is ostracised in addition to letting Cairney return to Humberside, heaven forbid our creative options!

Unless of course our intrepid owners have a plan!.......... (Ronaldo, Nehmar, Ozil)

I actually have a slight feeling that he may think he is ' surplus to requirements ' does'nt seem to praise him much, very gushing about

Marshall lately, and we all know what he thinks of Lowe, so when Evans returns ......hmm.

Or maybe he simply does'nt expect the Rao's to stump-up the cash for him, so he's not that interested in him anymore, because he's going.

We'll soon find out !

[rovers11]

I worry, i mean i'm grateful for him steadying one of the uneasiest ships to safety, Many failed and he did well and we owe him an awful lot for that but as the weeks go on he's looking more and more out of his depth and clueless. Today must be one of the only days his subs have worked and even then he made a pointless one in the dying mins, he must learn to use his subs more effectively and earlier. It's obvious that he tip-toes around his players trying to not upset an apple cart like so many others did before him, he's obviously recognized that these players will rebel hence his over reliance on young players and ex academy darlings such as Judge, and Lowe etc.

He has no Plan B, I don't think he's even sure of Plan A, last Thursday was an embarrassment more so than today, he seems so happy with a clean sheet at times when really id rather have a go and risk a point for three rather than trying to cling on to a stalemate. His signing are questionable to say the least,perhaps he has his arm tied behind his back in regards to the finances but where is Marrow these days? Surely he's better than Williamson of whom he gave a new contract to so now we have to endure him for another 18 months. Judge signed then he grabbed Taylor two but yet neither are starting week in - week out, pick one and loan the other out we can't afford to have the size of this squad so easily dispensable, loan them out save there wages and keep them fit and recall if needed. I'm yet to see this strength and depth he bangs on about, all i see is a load of players who have failed to produce for the last couple of seasons such as your Olsson brother, whilst something must really have gone on for him not to pick Best who could and should be making an impact on this stage.

As an ex academy/reserve coach drop the cloggers like Dann and feed some young lads in and give Kilgallon a go! Can't afford to keep him on the bench on his wages. Give the boys a wake up call as it's needed, field some academy lads in the cup.

We saw plan B in the second half and we scored two goals!! Plan A was playing Rochina in the hole (as many called for) and plan B was going 442 and playing Gestede up top. I'm afraid Rochina is not good enough to start games for us, he's an impact sub. Without Dunn, we don't have an effective `in the hole` player. I'd sell Rochina and bring in another who can play that role.

I would replace Dann with Kilgallon as well.

We can talk about tactics as much as we want but we didn't lose today because of tactics. In fact, most of the games we've lost this season have not been because of tactics it's been because of individual errors or lack of quality. Playing Cairney out wide, however, is a massive tactical error from Bowyer.

[Speedie Dived]

We'll have to agree to disagree because over 3 halves of 4 over 2 games the players were in sufficiently motivated to me to go for 6 points available and desperate for our survival.

3-0 down at home by half time is not a freak, particularly with effectively 6 defenders in front of a weak goalkeeper.

Sheff Wed was not great by any means, but looked solid and could have nicked one.

An awful third goal and a screamer of a second are freaks. We created more chances than them in the first half, that is nothing to do with motivation. It's about quality.

[Dunnfc]

We saw plan B in the second half and we scored two goals!! Plan A was playing Rochina in the hole (as many called for) and plan B was going 442 and playing Gestede up top. I'm afraid Rochina is not good enough to start games for us, he's an impact sub. Without Dunn, we don't have an effective `in the hole` player. I'd sell Rochina and bring in another who can play that role.

I would replace Dann with Kilgallon as well.

We can talk about tactics as much as we want but we didn't lose today because of tactics. In fact, most of the games we've lost this season have not been because of tactics it's been because of individual errors or lack of quality. Playing Cairney out wide, however, is a massive tactical error from Bowyer.

With the stress of FFP, how much is Dann on? Easily couple of million there of someone blind with a ready made replacement!

[davulsukur]

I actually have a slight feeling that he may think he is ' surplus to requirements ' does'nt seem to praise him much, very gushing about

Marshall lately, and we all know what he thinks of Lowe, so when Evans returns ......hmm.

Or maybe he simply does'nt expect the Rao's to stump-up the cash for him, so he's not that interested in him anymore, because he's going.

We'll soon find out !

Did we not have a bid knocked back for him to sign him permanently in jan?

The bid could have been half a curly wurly and a packet of love hearts but still.

[Gav]

Dann has been a consistent performer this season and most of last, you don't drop your best players.

Before today our defensive record at home was excellent, he's the board villain I know but look at the bigger picture for once.....

[darrenrover]

Sheff Wed was not great by any means, but looked solid and could have nicked one.

An awful third goal and a screamer of a second are freaks. We created more chances than them in the first half, that is nothing to do with motivation. It's about quality.

As I said previously, we should agree to disagree.

In my opinion, not in either game did the team appear sufficiently motivated nor possess a requisite gameplan for that matter, to overcome 2 substandard teams (as far as the table depicted) at home. Both are a failing of management, GB. The team should have been like bulls at the gate for both games, particularly considering what was at stake but unless I missed something, that didn't appear to be the case.

As I've said previously, I like Bowyer but I think something may be lacking.

The goals today weren't freaks in my opinion. The first and third were rank bad defending and the second, whilst a great strike, should not one of our 4 central defenders have been available to close him down? I would suggest there may have been a lack of motivation contributing to all 3 but who knows.

[West Yorks Rover]

Did we not have a bid knocked back for him to sign him permanently in jan?

The bid could have been half a curly wurly and a packet of love hearts but still.

Maybe Hull have already received a bigger bid, we may have to throw-in £100 worth of Venky's Xprs vouchers.

Steve Bruce looks as though he likes chicken.

[darrenrover]

Maybe Hull have already received a bigger bid, we may have to throw-in £100 worth of Venky's Xprs vouchers.

Steve Bruce looks as though he likes chicken.

More likely a decent case of St-Emillion!

[Speedie Dived]

As I said previously, we should agree to disagree.

In my opinion, not in either game did the team appear sufficiently motivated nor possess a requisite gameplan for that matter, to overcome 2 substandard teams (as far as the table depicted) at home. Both are a failing of management, GB. The team should have been like bulls at the gate for both games, particularly considering what was at stake but unless I missed something, that didn't appear to be the case.

As I've said previously, I like Bowyer but I think something may be lacking.

The goals today weren't freaks in my opinion. The first and third were rank bad defending and the second, whilst a great strike, should not one of our 4 central defenders have been available to close him down? I would suggest there may have been a lack of motivation contributing to all 3 but who knows.

That's fair enough and you are entitled to your opinion, it's what makes it the game we love. For me 25 shots on goal and 63% possession would indicate a motivated team. We could only dream of those figures in past seasons.

[West Yorks Rover]

More likely a decent case of St-Emillion!

Would be nice to wash down the 'Chicken Lollipops' (only the Rao's could come up with that one)