[Archived] Bowyer

[Athlete]

A lot of absolute bull spoke on here Bowyer is out his depth as a championship manager but this is where we thanks to the venkys scamsters and unless they chudo cash at the situation, bring in an experienced guy with cash to spend this where we still until we ultimately drop again, end up in admin or venkys Fo

I for one wish the scum would FO

[darrenrover]

That's fair enough and you are entitled to your opinion, it's what makes it the game we love. For me 25 shots on goal and 63% possession would indicate a motivated team. We could only dream of those figures in past seasons.

Crikey, are those the stats?

I don't dispute that on field matters are insurmountably better in general than the past couple of years. I'm just bloody frustrated that whenever we have an opportunity to make some progress (like the past couple of games) it's almost like we can't be arsed! I just don't get it!

[yoda]

More likely a decent case of St-Emillion!

That would give them a head ache

[darrenrover]

That would give them a head ache

Followed by a gallon of prune Eau de vie for good measure!

[Majiball]

That's fair enough and you are entitled to your opinion, it's what makes it the game we love. For me 25 shots on goal and 63% possession would indicate a motivated team. We could only dream of those figures in past seasons.

Speedie you're dead right in that those stats are great, they really are 63% is a number Barca would be proud of. But you need to do something with it and make it count and this is where we are failing. Even when we do make it count, we don't take our chances and that is worrying. To dominate teams, make silly costly mistakes and not take your easy chances when they come along is not a good sign. What the reason is for this is very difficult to know without being there day in day out, but something is amiss and it must be resolved.

[Speedie Dived]

Crikey, are those the stats?

I don't dispute that on field matters are insurmountably better in general than the past couple of years. I'm just bloody frustrated that whenever we have an opportunity to make some progress (like the past couple of games) it's almost like we can't be arsed! I just don't get it!

Yeah they are the stats from today. I know what you mean, we are 2 forward 1 back at the moment. I have honestly not been as positive as i am right now about the side. Put Evans into that side and Robbo and it improves.

In the cold light of day 1 from 6 is not good enough, but i am convinced we will play a lot worse than today and win.

[Speedie Dived]

Speedie you're dead right in that those stats are great, they really are 63% is a number Barca would be proud of. But you need to do something with it and make it count and this is where we are failing. Even when we do make it count, we don't take our chances and that is worrying. To dominate teams, make silly costly mistakes and not take your easy chances when they come along is not a good sign. What the reason is for this is very difficult to know without being there day in day out, but something is amiss and it must be resolved.

We are far from clinical and you struggle to improve that without buying better players. But you can cut out the daft errors, i think a part of that was down to nerves creeping back in after last weeks bizarre booing.

I do feel far happy dominating teams and getting beat than ragging a 1-0 win. Logic would suggest that if we have same amount of possession and reduce awful errors then we will win more than we lose.

[arbitro]

We are far from clinical and you struggle to improve that without buying better players. But you can cut out the daft errors, i think a part of that was down to nerves creeping back in after last weeks bizarre booing.

I do feel far happy dominating teams and getting beat than ragging a 1-0 win. Logic would suggest that if we have same amount of possession and reduce awful errors then we will win more than we lose.

I disagree with your assertion that basic errors could have been made because of booing. We are talking about professional sportsmen here, not kids being told off by their parents or teacher. In fact the boos at half-time today eclipsed those at the end of the game on Thursday.

[Speedie Dived]

I disagree with your assertion that basic errors could have been made because of booing. We are talking about professional sportsmen here, not kids being told off by their parents or teacher. In fact the boos at half-time today eclipsed those at the end of the game on Thursday.

They are also human beings. A rookie goalie and a young lad at right back. It only has to put a seed of doubt in your mind and confidence drops and you make stupid decisions. Not saying this was entirely the reason for the errors, but it could have contributed to one. I actually do think the ball did not bounce prop for eastwood, seemed to die on him and he caught the top of the ball.

Basically booing should be for relegation, villians (Kean et al) and the ref. All fans do it now and it's very strange.

[Majiball]

We are far from clinical and you struggle to improve that without buying better players. But you can cut out the daft errors, i think a part of that was down to nerves creeping back in after last weeks bizarre booing.

I do feel far happy dominating teams and getting beat than ragging a 1-0 win. Logic would suggest that if we have same amount of possession and reduce awful errors then we will win more than we lose.

You say that but look at who is missing them? Dunn is our best player he should have had at least 2 1st half at Yeovil, Rhodes is a bit off the boil (I know he scored 2 today but recently as a whole). It's not just Lowe from 2 yards (how can he miss from there 5-10 yard passes are his forte). If our players can't cope with the booing then they lack mental toughness and we should be getting in a sports psychologist to help them as it's part of the game and even United players must accept it. I don't think it will have bothered them that much that it accounts for the first half, it's not the first time we've seen these mistakes. Something's not right be it training, the environment, recovery who knows, but it must be addressed to turn these better feeling defeats into points.

I've learnt my lesson over the last few years in that you cannot always have your cake and eat it. I will always want my cake but sometimes I'm just happy to admire it and that's enough, I have the cake. 3 points comes first, if I can enjoy how we get them all the better but the 3 points come first.

[somersetrover]

Very disappointed with Bowyer today just as I was beginning to think the team and Bowyer as a manager had turned a corner after the Ipswich game. Then he goes and plays two defensive midfielders and Cairney wide on the right. He just seems to keep doing the same things instead of learning from his mistakes.

I think now may be the correct time for a change if you look at Derby they were much we are now a inconsistent mid table team with a squad of players that should really be in the top six and an experienced manager has done just that for them. Just a few names that I think could do that for us would be Holloway, Warnock, Clarke, McLeish, O'Leary or even Mike Phelan.

[tomphil]

They are also human beings. A rookie goalie and a young lad at right back. It only has to put a seed of doubt in your mind and confidence drops and you make stupid decisions. Not saying this was entirely the reason for the errors, but it could have contributed to one. I actually do think the ball did not bounce prop for eastwood, seemed to die on him and he caught the top of the ball.

Basically booing should be for relegation, villians (Kean et al) and the ref. All fans do it now and it's very strange.

Indeed in the LT the Burnley manager and a few others were complaining about booing and ironic cheers a few weeks ago despite them being top. Beggars belief.

[LDRover]

Can someone confirm that Bowyer's post match comments included the immortal line "it's all about the 3 points"?

Amazing if he did bearing in mind what happened on Thursday.

[Speedie Dived]

You say that but look at who is missing them? Dunn is our best player he should have had at least 2 1st half at Yeovil, Rhodes is a bit off the boil (I know he scored 2 today but recently as a whole). It's not just Lowe from 2 yards (how can he miss from there 5-10 yard passes are his forte). If our players can't cope with the booing then they lack mental toughness and we should be getting in a sports psychologist to help them as it's part of the game and even United players must accept it. I don't think it will have bothered them that much that it accounts for the first half, it's not the first time we've seen these mistakes. Something's not right be it training, the environment, recovery who knows, but it must be addressed to turn these better feeling defeats into points.

I've learnt my lesson over the last few years in that you cannot always have your cake and eat it. I will always want my cake but sometimes I'm just happy to admire it and that's enough, I have the cake. 3 points comes first, if I can enjoy how we get them all the better but the 3 points come first.

To play devils advocate then do you cheer and clap? Encourage the players? I am not saying they can't cope, but at this level the gap between winning and losing is minimal, marginal gains and all that. It also motivates the opposition, it's basically confirmation that they have done their job.

I don't think we are good enough to go up, so i suppose i am looking at it from a performance rather than result angle. If we were 2nd now i would not be arsed how the points came, but we are a bit off that.

[chaddyrovers]

Just a few names that I think could do that for us would be Holloway, Warnock, Clarke, McLeish, O'Leary or even Mike Phelan.

and you think any of them would work for Venkys??? Doubt it very much.

Holloway turned job down last season.

Clarke still being paid by WBA.

McLeish or O'Leary are you serious having a laugh.

no experience as Phelan.

As Kamy has said on twitter today that Venkys reputation within the football world is really low.would very much struggle to get any sort of decent manager in.

lets keep Bowyer in charge imo..

[Mike E]

I think what the fans did today was perfect.

Boo for about 5 seconds at HT. Clapping and encouragement when the players came back out and again in acknowledgment of the improved performance 2nd half.

[darrenrover]

Gordon Bennett, players don't like being boo'd and are frightened as a consequence?!

They're paid enough to be fit for purpose, perhaps they should pay for their own perceived inadequacies rather than it come from the club's coffers.

[Speedie Dived]

Gordon Bennett, players don't like being boo'd and are frightened as a consequence?!

They're paid enough to be fit for purpose, perhaps they should pay for their own perceived inadequacies rather than it come from the club's coffers.

I don't understand the link between pay and a negative psychological impact?

[ABBEY]

Give me ten grand a week and you come in my office and boo or whatever .

Blaming boos from Boxing Day haha new crazy post on here

[FGS5635]

I don't understand the link between pay and a negative psychological impact?

The link is there, its just different imo.

Modern players are weaker mentally these days becasue they dont need to be strong as everything comes to them to easily

[darrenrover]

I don't understand the link between pay and a negative psychological impact?

The only link is that should they suffer from occurrences of 'negative psychological impact' as a consequence of their extremely well paid employment, then they should be able to pay for their own counselling to overcome it.

The club clearly have obligations from a health and safety perspective however; following a risk assessment, booing needs to be banned.

Come on Speedie, you can't really believe what you wrote or is that what the game really has come to?

[somersetrover]

and you think any of them would work for Venkys??? Doubt it very much.

Holloway turned job down last season.

Clarke still being paid by WBA.

McLeish or O'Leary are you serious having a laugh.

no experience as Phelan.

As Kamy has said on twitter today that Venkys reputation within the football world is really low.would very much struggle to get any sort of decent manager in.

lets keep Bowyer in charge imo..

Managers don't care who the owners as long as they are getting paid and then if they do a poor job and get sacked they get a nice pay off. Either way its win, win as they are getting paid.

And in my opinion McLeish and O'Leary are good managers, particularly O'Leary.

[chaddyrovers]

Managers don't care who the owners as long as they are getting paid and then if they do a poor job and get sacked they get a nice pay off. Either way its win, win as they are getting paid.

And in my opinion McLeish and O'Leary are good managers, particularly O'Leary.

quite funny that. O'Leary is a good manager. why has struggle to work a manager job in the UK since leaving Villa. just a job in UEA.

Plus been reported in todays papers that Alex Ferguson has told OLS not to go to Cardiff. been reported that AF said you pick the OWNER not the club. think he told McClaren the same when he went to Boro.

[Speedie Dived]

The only link is that should they suffer from occurrences of 'negative psychological impact' as a consequence of their extremely well paid employment, then they should be able to pay for their own counselling to overcome it.

The club clearly have obligations from a health and safety perspective however; following a risk assessment, booing needs to be banned.

Come on Speedie, you can't really believe what you wrote or is that what the game really has come to?

Of course booing has an impact on players. Some will react positively, some negatively. Not saying they are going to curl up into a ball.

People become scared to take risks, lose confidence as a result. It's a modern thing across all football in the last 5ish years. You used to go years without hearing any. It says more about the modern fan than it does the players.

 

The link is there, its just different imo.

Modern players are weaker mentally these days becasue they dont need to be strong as everything comes to them to easily

Yeah probably some truth in that. But you can't double a players wages and double his mental strength.

[Speedie Dived]

Give me ten grand a week and you come in my office and boo or whatever .

Blaming boos from Boxing Day haha new crazy post on here

This point is often dragged up by the pro booers, it makes no sense to me.

Elite athletes are competing against other elite athletes, they are not completing singular tasks. Why do all athletes, across all sports, have psychologists?