[Archived] Bowyer

[G Somerset Rover]

Shebby's Singh eh?"..................

Don't know about anyone else, but I sense a lot of complacency - or is it despair - on this MB. Only our second season out of the PL, just two wins from our first 8 games and many seem prepared to accept this. Maybe the owners have decided already that they aren't prepared to accept mediocrity. Maybe they realise that if we're going to get back into the PL then it has to be soon? Maybe they aren't prepared to see tens of millions of their money drowning in a pit of averageness.

Just a thought.

I fear for Bowyer Den, I'll be honest. I've already said that the next three games are very difficult and you could easily see us not winning any of them - especially given that two are away from home. If they're already getting twitchy then you get the feeling that he'll need a victory in one of them.

I hope I'm wrong, I really do as I want Bowyer to be given a fair crack. But their previous form illustrates their lack of patience unless your name's Steve Kean.

[darrenrover]

It's almost as if the chief protagonists in our demise have decided to stir the pot yet again following a three game winless streak.

Kean's invited onto the Sky Sports sofa to peddle more shyte, Nixon reports that the Malaysian lunatic is about to return and all when Bowyer is under a bit of pressure.

I wonder.......

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Re Shebby - imagine you a business from thousands of miles away - and had been fleeced by your previous manager, being told half truths etc etc. Would you not send in somebody to check on how the new guy was really getting on ? Of course the only problem is that it is Shebby they are sending in. But hopefully it is just a visit to check on who things are really going - rather than a plot to get rid of Bowyer.

[47er]

Re Shebby - imagine you a business from thousands of miles away - and had been fleeced by your previous manager, being told half truths etc etc. Would you not send in somebody to check on how the new guy was really getting on ? Of course the only problem is that it is Shebby they are sending in. But hopefully it is just a visit to check on who things are really going - rather than a plot to get rid of Bowyer.

"hopefully""...........!!! No hope in this scenario.

[den]

What's the alternative, den? Bring in a top manager on big wages and hand him a war chest?

Those days are gone...

No-one has mentioned changeing manager Stuart. The question is, should Venky's accept the situation whereby this club is just over one season out of the PL, when we still have parachute payments, they themselves have put in a fortune and will have to put in tens of millions more. Maybe they think our situation just isn't good enough? No question as to who's to blame for all this, but once a club starts to accept mediocrity, it's finished.

So, would Venky's be wrong to say "this isn't good enough"? It's a simple yes or no question.

[Stuart]

No-one has mentioned changeing manager Stuart. The question is, should Venky's accept the situation whereby this club is just over one season out of the PL, when we still have parachute payments, they themselves have put in a fortune and will have to put in tens of millions more. Maybe they think our situation just isn't good enough? No question as to who's to blame for all this, but once a club starts to accept mediocrity, it's finished.

So, would Venky's be wrong to say "this isn't good enough"? It's a simple yes or no question.

The would be rather hypocritical to start telling those people in charge with salvaging a football club from the mess they allowed to happen that it's not good enough.

Their ownership of, and apparent strategy (whatever that is) for, the club isn't good enough.

But let's say I'm with you.

What should they do to improve matters?

[thenodrog]

Shebby's Singh eh?"..................

Don't know about anyone else, but I sense a lot of complacency - or is it despair - on this MB. Only our second season out of the PL, just two wins from our first 8 games and many seem prepared to accept this. Maybe the owners have decided already that they aren't prepared to accept mediocrity. Maybe they realise that if we're going to get back into the PL then it has to be soon? Maybe they aren't prepared to see tens of millions of their money drowning in a pit of averageness.

Just a thought.

Rather surprised at you there Den. You are talking like one of the under 35 'newbies'. Lest we forget and think we are something that we are not, we are where we are if Jack Walker had never turned up. We are a lower league town with lower league supporter numbers and a lower league team. The only difference is that we now benefit from his legacy of an excellent ground and superb training facilities..... Oh! and we owe nowt to the window cleaner and milkman.

[booth]

We have an excellent ground and superb training facilities but unfortunately we've also had a lot of turmoil going on behind the scenes, which continues to simmer, and that's never good for a football club.

[den]

Rather surprised at you there Den. You are talking like one of the under 35 'newbies'. Lest we forget and think we are something that we are not, we are where we are if Jack Walker had never turned up. We are a lower league town with lower league supporter numbers and a lower league team. The only difference is that we now benefit from his legacy of an excellent ground and superb training facilities..... Oh! and we owe nowt to the window cleaner and milkman.

Well Gord it depends whether you want your football club to pursue excellence in everything it does. It doesn't matter whether that club is Chorley, Bournemouth, Blackburn Rovers or Man Utd. There are always ways to improve.

If I were the owners, I would certainly be looking at the situation very closely. Millions of pounds pumped in with more to come apparently, still in receipt of parachute payments, a huge squad, a striker costing £8m, great facilities, top academy, only out of the PL just over a year ago. Look at the rest of the Championship, how many of those clubs have that kind of backing? How can we "accept" losing games to Carlisle, Doncaster, notts Forest, only drawing at home to Huddersfield (who's striker we took from them), getting battered at Leicester etc? How can we accept having won only two games out of nine? I don't expect miracles, but so far, IMO, it's just not good enough.

If I were the owners, I would want a complete analysis of what we've done wrong, what we're doing wrong and what needs to be done to improve things. Maybe we need big changes. Maybe we need to lay down performance targets. Maybe people have to be told in no uncertain terms that things have to change. Maybe a few arses have to be kicked. I would question the way transfer policy has been conducted this summer. For me, a top down review needs to be made before it's too late - including the owners management of the club.

My post comes from rumours that Singh might be on his way back. We all know he's not the man for the job, but if the owners really want better than what they're getting for their money at the moment, then good for them. There is absolutely no reason why anyone should be accepting that Rovers can't do better. A lot better really.

I wouldn't ever accept that we can't do better, certainly not now.

Just a thought.

[rog of the rovers]

For me, Bowyer is much like the team.

Young, inexperienced and full of enthusiasm. But that can work against you.

I expect games where we'll play well and win.

I expect games where we'll play awful and lose.

I also expect everything in betweeen.

What Bowyer, nay, the club needs is a steadying hand and a season of continuity. Unless we're fightiing against relegation, I'd hope Bowyer gets a full season in charge.

[yoda]

Well Gord it depends whether you want your football club to pursue excellence in everything it does. It doesn't matter whether that club is Chorley, Bournemouth, Blackburn Rovers or Man Utd. There are always ways to improve.

If I were the owners, I would certainly be looking at the situation very closely. Millions of pounds pumped in with more to come apparently, still in receipt of parachute payments, a huge squad, a striker costing £8m, great facilities, top academy, only out of the PL just over a year ago. Look at the rest of the Championship, how many of those clubs have that kind of backing? How can we "accept" losing games to Carlisle, Doncaster, notts Forest, only drawing at home to Huddersfield (who's striker we took from them), getting battered at Leicester etc? How can we accept having won only two games out of nine? I don't expect miracles, but so far, IMO, it's just not good enough.

If I were the owners, I would want a complete analysis of what we've done wrong, what we're doing wrong and what needs to be done to improve things. Maybe we need big changes. Maybe we need to lay down performance targets. Maybe people have to be told in no uncertain terms that things have to change. Maybe a few arses have to be kicked. I would question the way transfer policy has been conducted this summer. For me, a top down review needs to be made before it's too late - including the owners management of the club.

My post comes from rumours that Singh might be on his way back. We all know he's not the man for the job, but if the owners really want better than what they're getting for their money at the moment, then good for them. There is absolutely no reason why anyone should be accepting that Rovers can't do better. A lot better really.

I wouldn't ever accept that we can't do better, certainly not now.

Just a thought.

You need some one who know what it is all about to do this,

some one like John Williams for instance.

Humble pie is probably not in the Rao's vocabulary

[den]

You need some one who know what it is all about to do this,

some one like John Williams for instance.

Humble pie is probably not in the Rao's vocabulary

Absolutely Yoda.

[LDRover]

It's almost as if the chief protagonists in our demise have decided to stir the pot yet again following a three game winless streak.

Kean's invited onto the Sky Sports sofa to peddle more shyte, Nixon reports that the Malaysian lunatic is about to return and all when Bowyer is under a bit of pressure.

I wonder.......

Very good point.

[OJRovers]

No-one has mentioned changeing manager Stuart. The question is, should Venky's accept the situation whereby this club is just over one season out of the PL, when we still have parachute payments, they themselves have put in a fortune and will have to put in tens of millions more. Maybe they think our situation just isn't good enough? No question as to who's to blame for all this, but once a club starts to accept mediocrity, it's finished.

So, would Venky's be wrong to say "this isn't good enough"? It's a simple yes or no question.

No - midtable is not good enough given our budget and resources.

But getting rid of Bowyer is going to make it worse.

They need to bring in a proper Exec structure who can support Bowyer and sensibly manage the finances, rather than squandering the money on agents, useless players, compensation and half of Portugal.

Until the club is run properly from the top, then we're going to struggle to get consistency on the pitch.

[Audax]

This. What a nonsense thread, barely into the season at all. Shows that some still have no idea what Venky's have actually done to the club. We're actually in a decent position thus far all things considered.

Exactly, considering where the Rovers have been, a period of stability is needed.

And it's a long season, you never know.

[Amo]

It's not really a 'nonsense' thread when you consider who started it.

[eire3382]

No - midtable is not good enough given our budget and resources.

But getting rid of Bowyer is going to make it worse.

They need to bring in a proper Exec structure who can support Bowyer and sensibly manage the finances, rather than squandering the money on agents, useless players, compensation and half of Portugal.

Until the club is run properly from the top, then we're going to struggle to get consistency on the pitch.

Once this is in place then we can talk about GB and if he is the right man for the job etc.

Considering the mess at Ewood I think he is doing a good job. He is trying to rebuild a squad and that takes time.

If he made promises to the owners then thats his business but was a very stupid thing to do.

At the earliest we might be able to mount a promotion push next season but that depends on several things including keeping the remainder of our best players and bringing in a few more experienced pros that know this league. But right now we need an upper management structure to be put in place or else we are just spinning our wheels.

[den]

No - midtable is not good enough given our budget and resources.

But getting rid of Bowyer is going to make it worse.

Jumping the gun there OJ.

If Venky's were to send someone in to look at the whole situation - because they believed we should be doing a whole lot better, then I would be happy with that, assuming of course it was the right person. I know very well "we are, where we are", but that is used as an excuse for underperforming in some quarters.

[T.J.Newton]

WUM? You Dickk Spring! I've been here for ten years. ...I've forgotten more about rovers than you'll ever know.

Well your still wrong in this case,

"demoted to a number 2" as if that would ever happen, opinions are one thing, fantasies are another.

[USABlue]

Bowyer must be given more time. We have a brand new young squad there is going to be ups and downs. I feel this group will eventually click. Bowyer needs to be left alone to do his job. Scary thing is we are approaching the 10 game benchmark afforded our last two managers and we do have the idiots still so who knows. Leave Bowyer be and we will make the playoffs

[Stuart]

Bowyer must be given more time. We have a brand new young squad there is going to be ups and downs. I feel this group will eventually click. Bowyer needs to be left alone to do his job. Scary thing is we are approaching the 10 game benchmark afforded our last two managers and we do have the idiots still so who knows. Leave Bowyer be and we will make the playoffs

Ooh. I was completely with you until the last 5 words.

[chaddyrovers]

Bowyer must be given more time. We have a brand new young squad there is going to be ups and downs. I feel this group will eventually click. Bowyer needs to be left alone to do his job. Scary thing is we are approaching the 10 game benchmark afforded our last two managers and we do have the idiots still so who knows. Leave Bowyer be and we will make the playoffs

I agree with everything you have Posted.

Bowyer needs time and patience from the owners and time to build a squad to get us promote.

the owners NEVER DID this to a certain manager when they should/need to didn't they??? quite funny that(not really)

[Proudtobeblue&white]

End game? No idea, as the Loons have no idea! Promised the earth, delivered naff all! We are a small postscript at the bottom of a long list of companies, we haven't heard official anything that shows/proves they have any real interest in our club. Shebby shelf substitute cocks a deaf'un, we put our faith in GB & I like him, but a @#/? job under even shitter owners.

[Rover_Shaun]

If this is Bowyers idea of rebuilding the squad........................

[Gav]

If this is Bowyers idea of rebuilding the squad........................

The mans got 1 hand tied behind his back, what would you suggest?