[Archived] Bowyer

[dingles staying down 4ever]

It was a penalty. There was contact, Kane was through on goal and stumbled, thus narrowing his angle on goal. A difficult chance and he put it wide.

If Kane goes down its a stonewall penalty. But why should he have to go down? Price you pay for honesty eh?

Yes it was. The defender has clearly impeded his progress and the opportunity to shoot earlier. Pathetic this rule that if player tries to stay on their feet it's not a foul. It was and it affected his opportunity on goal.

Put it this way. If Kane was in the centre of the field, got clipped like that and then passed it out of play instead of to a player on the wing then what would the referee have done?

Depends on the ref, but at what stage do you allow the advantage before pulling it back? The fact that Kane got his shot away means the ref called it right. A forward would have gone down.

[Jimmy612]

Depends on the ref, but at what stage do you allow the advantage before pulling it back? The fact that Kane got his shot away means the ref called it right. A forward would have gone down.

Did the foul affect his goal scoring opportunity? I think it did. He was forced into a more narrow angle and thus a more difficult opportunity.

As I say, if he misplaces a pass the referee pulls it back and gives a free kick. If he misplaces a shot nothing is given, even though the foul did affect the opportunity quite a lot. Where's the sense in that? Just because he had a shot does it means the referee played a perfect advantage, or is he allowed to determine whether the incident has affected the opportunity?

Kane being punished for his honesty seems very unfair to me and is only going to promote more 'going down easy' or even diving scenarios.

[ABBEY]

To be fair if Kane had gone down, the ref should have awarded a penalty. As Kane stayed up it was never a penalty

So if someone gets elbowed in the mush and doesnt go down its not a foul?

[Proudtobeblue&white]

Should have gone down, seems to work in PL?

[Stuart]

He definitely should have gone down. It's the only way that dumb referees will react - i.e. when the player forces him to make a decision.

However, if a player being unfairly impeded means the chance becomes more difficult then I would expect it to be a foul. Outside the box the referee gives that. However, how many times does that line have to be used before something is done?

[dingles staying down 4ever]

So if someone gets elbowed in the mush and doesnt go down its not a foul?

No but the ref played advantage. If he'd had gone down the ref could not play advantage. I still maintain a striker in that instance would have gone down.

Jimmy it may have impeded him but he still had time to steady himself and shoot. It was just a bloody bad shot from a full back.

[ABBEY]

I don't think he played advantage? Not seen it since but I don't think he put his arms out advantage style. So he wouldn't of given it . May be wrong .

[Boner]

You don't play advantage in the box; Either it's a penalty or it isn't. The ref didn't give it because he claimed he didn't see it.

[Rover_Shaun]

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In just over 6 months he has got us in touching distance of the play offs...

A common misconception

I think you will find that teams in the league haven't amassed as much points as last season. We have 2 more points than this stage last season but we are several places higher.

Even with 38 points we would still be 14th last season and whopping 8 points off the play off pace

Bowyer is lucky that the league has taken a big drop in quality

After 27 games

Last Season

Pos 14th P27 W9 D9 L9 F37 A36 PTS36

Now

Pos 9th P27 W10 D8 L9 F33 A33 PTS38

would be 14th last season with this tally

[Rover_Shaun]

I wonder what aspect of the referee's performance Bowyers going to moan about tomorrow?

He's learnt something from Wee Steevie

[Boner]

I wonder what aspect of Bowyer you're going to moan about tomorrow.

[Rover_Shaun]

Other than being uber uber uber negative and fans thinking he's more than he is there's not much to moan about

[JBiz]

I wonder what aspect of Bowyer you're going to moan about tomorrow.

Don't give it attention!

[ratters]

Couldn't get to the match but just saw the highlights and Kane should have gone down. Clear contact and in the end he was too honest. There is a big difference between being ruthless and blatant diving. He should have been ruthless we get a pen and win the game.

[thenodrog]

Other than being uber uber uber negative and fans thinking he's more than he is there's not much to moan about

Allardyce was overly negative according to many people. Now you complain that bowyer is. Steve kean on the other hand was well known for his brand of 'positivity'. Appears to me that he still has a devoted supporter. Alternatively some people are just slow to learn.

[Rover_Shaun]

Allardyce was overly negative according to many people. Now you complain that bowyer is. Steve kean on the other hand was well known for his brand of 'positivity'. Appears to me that he still has a devoted supporter. Alternatively some people are just slow to learn.

Sam was a pragmatist who did the best with what he had. Kean was an incompetent whereas Bowyer has the means at his disposal to be more positive but just doesn't have the nous to use it.

I see I've got my own little Stalker, eh Jizzle?

[Jimmy612]

I don't think he played advantage? Not seen it since but I don't think he put his arms out advantage style. So he wouldn't of given it . May be wrong .

Well if he didn't play advantage then that means he didn't see the foul. If that is the case then that is absolutely extraordinary. See him on the video (attached link), the berk didn't even acknowledge the foul.

If the referee did give an advantage then from what I've been reading there has to be a clear advantage or opportunity to the attacking player. If a clear advantage is a shot from a narrow angle (which was worsened by the original offence), and with the offending player still pressuring you, then we may as well give up now.

Pathetic refereeing IMO and Bowyer has every right to be keaned off.

1:05 on here - fantastic pass by Taylor btw, which deserved more

http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/blackburn-rovers/9135149/blackburn-1-1-derby

[FGS5635]

I know some like to have a go at bowyer for seemingly moaning after every game, but it does feel like we have been on the wrong end of a good few decisions of late

[dingles staying down 4ever]

Well if he didn't play advantage then that means he didn't see the foul. If that is the case then that is absolutely extraordinary. See him on the video (attached link), the berk didn't even acknowledge the foul.

If the referee did give an advantage then from what I've been reading there has to be a clear advantage or opportunity to the attacking player. If a clear advantage is a shot from a narrow angle (which was worsened by the original offence), and with the offending player still pressuring you, then we may as well give up now.

Pathetic refereeing IMO and Bowyer has every right to be keaned off.

1:05 on here - fantastic pass by Taylor btw, which deserved more

http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/blackburn-rovers/9135149/blackburn-1-1-derby

Having watched again you are probably right that the angle was tighter than I remembered it and their was not as much of an advantage as I first thought. Kean still have made the keeper into a save though.

My video is playing up as well but was contact not outside the box?

[riverside returns]

Contact was inside the box and yes he should have gone down but similarly, the referee seemed to have a clear view and was looking he right direction and should have given the penalty.

[T.J.Newton]

That little fat referee on Saturday was a smirking useless prat,i can see why bowyer complains about refereeing decisionsso often as the quality of refereeing between the prem and the championship is shocking.

[dingles staying down 4ever]

Don't mince your words about the ref. What do you really think of him?

[Rover_Shaun]

http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/blackburn-rovers/9135149/blackburn-1-1-derby

What a stupid and reckless tackle from Marshall. Shame he hurt himself, but what on earth!

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Interesting stat there - no offsides !

[Mike Graham]

Goodness Bowyer is bad. I wonder what Kean'isms he will come out with tonight?