[Archived] Bowyer

[Stuart]

1. Not a normal club though are we. In a normal world with a normal club, we'd have a normal manager supported by normal owners.

2. None if this is on the back of yesterday's win Stuart, this is assessment based on a season so far.

3. In my humble opinion, not seeing Lowe's obvious qualities would be a direct reply to your last comment. You rate Cairney to play in a box to box cm role but not Lowe? "Keaning hell"

And finally your on for that pint. Clever bet though because we won't see Marshall till September.

1. So you agree with me then.

2. So is my opinion. More so in fact.

3. Well if opinion is expertise and experience then since Maji agrees with me, I win by your rules.

The bet stands until 1 of the 4 leave the club.

September, though for Marshall? Jeez, I hadn't heard that.

[Stuart]

I'm not sure where I stated that. Cairney is by far our best asset but he's been played out wide for the majority of the time. It's debatable whether that's worked well for us or not but once he starts playing regularly in the centre and if we continue with a 4-4-2 formation then I think a Lowe/Cairney partnership will work well.

I like Evans, too, but you might want two types of him to balance the midfield. I don't think a Lowe/Evans or a Cairney/Evans partnership is the right way forward.

Anyway, once Bowyer has everybody he wants fully fit and in the correct positions we'll properly see his mindset I think.

I'm with you on Cairney moving inside. Clearly I would drop Lowe but as you'd keep him, where would you see Evans fitting in? Centre-half?

[Mike E]

My own opinion is that I'd rather see Lowe and Evans in the middle. Based on the fact that was our starting central midfield vs Barnsley and Bolton at home.

[Neal]

To be honest, I'm not really to fussed on what formation and team he picks anymore... I just want to see our best centre midfielder play in centre midfield.

[Howler]

How very patronising. I think he's right though, which is maybe why you won't argue the point.

Bowyer is very limited in his choices. Without Evans, who he bought as his first choice CM, he is left with Cairney, Lowe and Willo. Cairney is undoubtedly talented with the ball at his feet, but is very very poor without the ball. Try watching him. He would offer nothing defensively which is why GB won't trust him in a 2-man centre midfield at the moment. 3 clean sheets on the bounce would suggest Bowyer has it right. Wanting to be defensively solid doesn't necessarily translate into Bowyer being 'negative' That sort of thinking is simplistic at best and at worst shows you up to be a bit of an ignoramus. Ooh how patronising of me!

Considering the dysfunctional garbage that Bowyer inherited i think he's doing a fantastic job. His signings have been excellent, he's got rid of most of the vermin and the results have been good. Being only 4 points from the play-offs only 12 months on from looking certainties to be relegated into the 3rd teir (which Bowyer saved us from), whilst simultaneously having to rebuild the whole club, is a fantastic effort.

I'd imagine next season he'll do an even better job once he has a settled team full of his own players. It took Kean & co nearly 3 years to destroy our club, it will take Bowyer more than 12 months to rebuild it.

But...no...lets base the success of his year-long tenure on who he plays in centre mid whilst he waits for his first choice midfielder to return. You know the one i mean, Evans, the one he bought so he wouldn't have to play Willo, the one he didn't buy.

agree, he's doing a pretty good job really.

[thenodrog]

Mark my words. Bowyer will never drop Lowe.

Why should he if he's doing what he is requiring of him? Surely you dont expect Bowyer to pick a team solely on your say so?

To be honest, I'm not really to fussed on what formation and team he picks anymore... I just want to see our best centre midfielder play in centre midfield.

Hardly likely to do that with a 4-4-2 I'd suggest. For Cairney to play in the middle it needs to be a version of 4-5-1 and then that would necessitate leaving out many peoples 'favourite' striker

You rate Lowe but don't rate Cairney in CM?

Keaning hell.

Have you ever given us your ideal midfield Stuart?

[Stuart]

Why should he if he's doing what he is requiring of him? Surely you dont expect Bowyer to pick a team solely on your say so? Hardly likely to do that with a 4-4-2 I'd suggest. For Cairney to play in the middle it needs to be a version of 4-5-1 and then that would necessitate leaving out many peoples 'favourite' striker Have you ever given us your ideal midfield Stuart?

Keep reading Gordon. Assuming you are still trolling, sorry trawling, through the thread.

I love how your opinion is fact though and others are simply opinions. Why should Cairney in the centre mean the omission of Rhodes?

I don't expect "Gaz" to phone me and ask my opinion but I do hope that eventually he will put out a team to try to win a match and not when his job is allegedly (not) at stake.

[thenodrog]

Keep reading Gordon. Assuming you are still trolling, sorry trawling, through the thread.

I love how your opinion is fact though and others are simply opinions. Why should Cairney in the centre mean the omission of Rhodes?

Have I missed your midfield suggestion? For what it's worth I don't believe Bowyer thinks Cairney is good enough and safe enough off the ball. If that is the case Cairney can only play CM in a 4-5-1. It hasn't always been either convincing or pretty but recent results are in Bowyers favour. I guess like Allardyce some will only miss him when he's gone.

[jim mk2]

I assume the team Bowyer fielded yesterday was put out with the aim of winning the match - if he didn't he must be sitting at home today feeling sick as the proverbial parrot because his masterplan went wrong. . And when has there been any suggestion his job is at risk ? I've certainly not read or seen anything to that effect anywhere. Bowyer seems to be a cautious type but then so was Sam Allardyce and he didn't too badly for us. Some people, it seems to me, want to criticise for the sake of it even after such a splendid victory. .

[thenodrog]

I assume the team Bowyer fielded yesterday was put out with the aim of winning the match - if he didn't he must be sitting at home today feeling sick as the proverbial parrot because his masterplan went wrong. . And when has there been any suggestion his job is at risk ? I've certainly not read or seen anything to that effect anywhere. Bowyer seems to be a cautious type but then so was Sam Allardyce and he didn't too badly for us. Some people, it seems to me, want to criticise for the sake of it even after such a splendid victory. .

Kamy said it was.

[jim mk2]

Who is Kamy, is he/she a journalist and if so who does he/she write for ?

[thenodrog]

Not sure.

[Mike E]

Who is Kamy, is he/she a journalist and if so who does he/she write for ?

He's a journalist who's VERY often reliable. He often breaks news to us before others do, but I take what he says witha pinch of salt until corroborated.

I'd say 9/10 times he's right. But the 'Bowyer on brink' before Leeds away can only be guessed at. And 'Bowyer taking the players shackles off' appeared wrong.

[47er]

LOL! So the "Bowyer on brink" story, by YOUR reckoning has a 90% chance of being right!

I agree with you!

[Mike E]

LOL! So the "Bowyer on brink" story, by YOUR reckoning has a 90% chance of being right!

I agree with you!

Congratulations on converting fractions into percentages next week, you can try adding and subtracting percentages

I haven't said it isn't likely to be right (I do trust Kamy), I said it hasn't yet been corroborated elsewhere. Meaning I suspect he could be right but won't just assume he is.

Quite what your trying to do by telling me what I said, I'm not sure. I fear that in your haste to catch me out, you just look a bit silly.

[Oz Rover]

He doesn't get anything like the criticism Allardyce did for a start and he consistently had us where we are now but in the Premiership!

Hardly a fair comparison and a bit of a silly one to be honest. Sam didn't inherit a squad largely full of numpties like GB did that were brought in by the most clueless fool ever to manage a football team. Not to mention Sam didn't have to put up with the bullshit (until he was sacked soon after the takeoever) from the idiots that own the club and worked under a much more stable and professional enviroment.

GB has not only been lumbered with the massive task of getting rid of the substantial amount of deadwood brought in by the bald halfwit to get the excessive wage bill down, he came in when team morale was at an all time low, he's had to work under a much tighter budget given the financial pressures all the while bringing a largely new (young) squad together to get them playing playing cohesively and as competititive championship unit.

Given we're only 4 points of play offs and all he's had to deal with i think he's doing a fantastic job. Sure, we're a bit inconsistent at times but that's hardly a surprise for the reasons mentioned given the team is largely a new and very young one. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to work out that gaining that consitency isn't going to happen in a few weeks and it's gonna take some time.

[47er]

Congratulations on converting fractions into percentages next week, you can try adding and subtracting percentages

I haven't said it isn't likely to be right (I do trust Kamy), I said it hasn't yet been corroborated elsewhere. Meaning I suspect he could be right but won't just assume he is.

Quite what your trying to do by telling me what I said, I'm not sure. I fear that in your haste to catch me out, you just look a bit silly.

Silliest post ever. Childish stuff.

[47er]

Hardly a fair comparison and a bit of a silly one to be honest. Sam didn't inherit a squad largely full of numpties like GB did that were brought in by the most clueless fool ever to manage a football team. Not to mention Sam didn't have to put up with the bullshit (until he was sacked soon after the takeoever) from the idiots that own the club and worked under a much more stable and professional enviroment.

GB has not only been lumbered with the massive task of getting rid of the substantial amount of deadwood brought in by the bald halfwit to get the excessive wage bill down, he came in when team morale was at an all time low, he's had to work under a much tighter budget given the financial pressures all the while bringing a largely new (young) squad together to get them playing playing cohesively and as competititive championship unit.

Given we're only 4 points of play offs and all he's had to deal with i think he's doing a fantastic job. Sure, we're a bit inconsistent at times but that's hardly a surprise for the reasons mentioned given the team is largely a new and very young one. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to work out that gaining that consitency isn't going to happen in a few weeks and it's gonna take some time.

I think you've missed the point.

There was no attempt to compare the 2 managers performances on my part, I'm merely commenting on the reaction of fans towards them. Sam got worse treatment on here when the club was in a much better place is all I said. I don't disagree with anything you've written about Bowyer except perhaps that "fantastic" is a bit over the top. I was simply disagreeing that the reaction from fans towards him has been very harsh.In fact I think he's quite popular with most. If you read previous posts from me I've been quite supportive of him.

[ABBEY]

He's a journalist who's VERY often reliable. He often breaks news to us before others do, but I take what he says witha pinch of salt until corroborated.

I'd say 9/10 times he's right. But the 'Bowyer on brink' before Leeds away can only be guessed at. And 'Bowyer taking the players shackles off' appeared wrong.

so you trust him but with a pinch of 90% SALT

[Mike E]

Christ, it seems there are only children on this messageboard.

I trust Kamy's info as 'probably correct' but never take it as gospel. I treat is as correct if it is then (usually is) picked up by reputable journo's such as Conn or Winter.

The Leeds info wasn't picked up (or hasn't yet), so I don't fully trust it as correct and the Reading info was proven wrong in that we didn't 'go fot it', although we certainly won.

Why is that so hard to understand? Even my year 5's aren't as keen to tell others that words they've twisted are wrong.

[Mike E]

Abs, the pinch of salt would be 10%....

[T.J.Newton]

Your year 5s?

[Mike E]

Your year 5s?

I volunteer at a primary school.

[windymiller7]

I think he was correcting your punctuation. You know what the comma & apostrophe police are like on here.

[Mike E]

Ahhhh my apologies: Should be me 'Year 5s' (with the capital and minus apostrophe).

Tbf, that's a more intelligent response than I got previously