[Archived] Bowyer

[arbitro]

Comparing what we had end of 2013 season. That's the remit managers should be judged in IMO

SImple things like points, performances and positions in the league. If we slide into another dog fight then I will be agreeing that GB has to go but I just don't think it is likely.

As somebody pointed out on another thread points wise we were one better off yesterday than after the same number of games last season. My main argument against Bowyer would be team selection, blind loyalty to certain players and poor tactics time and time again. Yesterday was the straw that broke the camels back for lots of us.

[Stuart]

The analogy could be used for both depending on your view point - I find it hard to say that about GB though because...[i'm wearing magical blue and white spectacles and criticism of anything Rovers isn't allowed]

Gotta love that line especially when coupled with "you have an agenda, I have an opinion" line.

You are the archetypal empty vessel, jbizzle.

Jog on.

[47er]

I see! You have "views" but Stuart has an "agenda"!

Wasn't quick enough!

[JBiz]

last post...I promise

Gotta love that line especially when coupled with "you have an agenda, I have an opinion" line.

You are the archetypal empty vessel, jbizzle.

Jog on.

Again Stuart, You completely ignore my point about the regime charged with finding a better manager, and just take a small part of my post and bend the words. Suggesting I am incapable of saying bad things about the Rovers..

Your partly right, I am incapable of JUST saying bad things. It's called forming balanced views,

..Rather than having an agenda,

I see! You have "views" but Stuart has an "agenda"!

Wasn't quick enough!

Yes 47er, because I am looking at the whole picture, and not just one aspect.

[ABBEY]

Makes me laugh how anyone who us forced to name a manager is always ripped to bits by the happy venky brigade

[Darwen Rover 007]

Interesting how Mike Newell has dissapeared from the face of the earth after he exposed agents / some chairmen...

Personally I rate him especially with a young side.

[ABBEY]

You will upset the PC brigade on here with comments like that

[RoyRover]

Gary Bowyer on the whole has done a very good job in almost impossible circumstances. But he is still a very inexperienced manager, who is going to get it wrong on occasions and yesterday was one example where he got it very very wrong. He shouldn't be immune from critiscism, because yesterday was really terrible, but there has to be an acceptance and the perspective that Bowyer is going to make mistakes and get very bad results. Unfortunately we aren't in a position to have anything better and to be honest I don't know that someone, who we would realistically be able to hire, could do a better job overall and have us in a better league position.

[47er]

last post...I promise

Again Stuart, You completely ignore my point about the regime charged with finding a better manager, and just take a small part of my post and bend the words. Suggesting I am incapable of saying bad things about the Rovers..

Your partly right, I am incapable of JUST saying bad things. It's called forming balanced views,

..Rather than having an agenda,

Yes 47er, because I am looking at the whole picture, and not just one aspect.

Here's one aspect for you----produce one example of expressed "hatred" for Bowyer. Your attempts so far have been pathetic.

If you want to be chief censor, become a mod! And people who have criticised Bowyer HAVE looked at all aspects, they are just not as

one-eyed as you are.

[Waggy76]

Gary Bowyer on the whole has done a very good job in almost impossible circumstances. But he is still a very inexperienced manager, who is going to get it wrong on occasions and yesterday was one example where he got it very very wrong. He shouldn't be immune from critiscism, because yesterday was really terrible, but there has to be an acceptance and the perspective that Bowyer is going to make mistakes and get very bad results. Unfortunately we aren't in a position to have anything better and to be honest I don't know that someone, who we would realistically be able to hire, could do a better job overall and have us in a better league position.

It depends on your ambitions .....Money talks in football , the one thing I am sure of is Gary Bowyer will not take the club forward ...

This is a very poor league and we are in the top half of it , where would we be with a proper man at the helm ?

Average footballers signed in bulk ..Judge ,Marrow ,Taylor , Kilgallon ,Spurr .Gestede , Conway ...etc

Turn it round another way where would we be without Dunns performances against Bolton,Barnsley and Blackpool ? Probably at least 7points less !

[Stuart]

Unfortunately we aren't in a position to have anything better and to be honest I don't know that someone, who we would realistically be able to hire, could do a better job overall and have us in a better league position.

Anything? If that's true, Roy, we may as well fold the club now.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

I'll have a go...Dreamland

Andre Villas Boas

Steve Clarke

Roberto Di Matteo

Malkey Mackay

Martin JolNot too stupid

Craig Levein

Gianfranco Zola

Rene Meulensteen/Ray Wilkins

Sean O'Driscoll

Sean DycheCould do the job or help Bowyer (DOF style)

Graeme Souness

Alan Curbishley

Dave Jones

Alex McLeish

Paul JewellBring in to help Bowyer

Gary Megson

George Burley

Peter Reid

Neil Warnock

Kenny Dalgleish

Glenn Hoddle

Gerard HoullierLeft Field (Ex Players on LMA books)

Mike Newell

Jimmy Quinn

Alan Shearer

Chris Surton

Tony Parkes

Not too stupid - Dyche ? You're not dealing with a full deck. Have you looked at the league table recently ?

Why would anyone with half a brain want to work for Venkies any way ?

In the ex-players group you missed out Keith Hill. He is actually successfully managing a league club at the moment !

[Stuart]

Why would anyone with half a brain want to work for Venkies any way ?

In the ex-players group you missed out Keith Hill. He is actually successfully managing a league club at the moment !

Point 1 = £££

Point 2 = You could have a good 'un there but I specifically went for out of work managers. We are more likely to get one as they are more desperate.

(Dyche was an afterthought, tbh. A lot of Rovers fans would baulk at the idea though, I expect).

[chaddyrovers]

This `sack the manager` mindset every time we have a bad result needs to stop. Look what happened last season when the owners had that mindset!!

We are a work in progress, we are going to have days like today. The progress GB has made with this team in 12 months is nothing short of miraculous. Everyone says they want an inexperienced manager in but would an experienced manager have done any better than GB over the past year? No, I don't believe they would have.

GB has changed the very culture of the club and we are now back on track and heading in the right direction. The mind boggles why some people would want to de-rail that. Of course we'd all love us to win every match and be in the top 6 right now but that's not realistic when you consider the mess GB has had to sort out. We have been very good for the majority of this season but have the tendency to have bad off days which result in heavy losses away from home.

GB has never once said he expects us to be in he top 6 this season. In fact, he's said it will take another couple of transfer Windows before he has the squad he wants. Some fans have unrealistic expectations this season. They think that because we were a prem club two season ago we should be in the top 6. They don't actually look at the facts that we were relegation fodder last season and had a woeful team.

People point to the fact that Wigan and Derby changed their manager and improved. They had managers who were underperforming and the tools were already there to come in and hit the ground running. People point to Dyche at Burnley. He's done a great job but he hardly pulled up any trees last season with Burnley but they gave him time to build and they are now reaping the rewards. Would any of those managers have us in the top 6 this season? I don't think so.

excellent post again Rovers11.

Bowyer has long term plan and IMO we keep Bowyer has manager.

Bowyer has signed some very good players this season but has made some poor signings just like every football manager does. even Sir Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger have made poor signings.

Today was terrible and shocking to say the least...

However I think the club should stick by him till the end of.. Wait for it.. Next season.

We as a club need stability and although we are not great we have made good progress in the last 9-10 months... I think we have to give him time..

Yesterday performance was very poor and Bowyer admitted this yesterday.

I think we should stick with him for next season. we have made good progress under Bowyer and we have stability at the club.

No manager is above criticism, and the lack of defensive cover is a GB made problem. We could/should have brought someone in place of Dann, however I feel that if this had happened sooner we may have acted. Deadline day deals are always a killer but it is easy to say we all knew he was leaving.

A big defeat is hard to take but that shouldn't blinker everything else that as gone on. Missing Cairney (our most creative player thus far) and Hanley (best defender and captain) is always going to affect performance. Before today we hadn't conceded in 280 minutes and that statistic proves the different losing ol' big head was. Considering we have also lost Marshall and Evans for long periods, (two of our other better players IMO) I think we have had some good performances and results - and the fact we are discussing football rather than agents and owners speaks volumes for the improvement in some fans expectations.

However - None of the problems on field since GB took over warrant the level of hatred from some of you. I understand a lot of the worry - I am certainly just as worried about next sunday! But sacking GB a week before "the game we must not lose" is surely tantamount to idiocy?

This is not FM14 guys - Let's sack the guy Monday, Sign Jonny McManager tuesday, Sign two Centre backs on loan from premier league teams Wednesday, Bed in the new 4123 formation on Thursday, Pub friday saturday and three points Sunday.

If it was, you'd all be on Soccer Saturday, laughing your way to the another SEM winecooler.

Bowyer should have signed a centre back has Dann replacement and failing to do so did cost us yesterday against Bolton.

But we were missing 4 key players in Cairney, Hanley, Marshall and King. think Most Championship teams would struggle if 4 key players were missing at the same time.

Bowyer deserved credit for 3 clean sheets in a row. Hanley is crucial part of the defender and best defender we got even when Dann was here.

at yesterday game there was no chanting for Bowyer to be sacking. if anything they was straight behind him and support him as manager.

To all those bashing bowyer or should I say those calling for his sacking. Lets have your (realistic)suggestions, by name, for his replacement. Gossip on Bein Sport was Laudrup's already pencilled in for Harrys replacement so scratch that (unrealistic anyway) name

so far I haven't seen one decent suggestion tbh. a lot of names but the same old names. some of the suggestions are a joke tbh. people like Levein, Reid, Megson, Burley and Jewell. then some very UNREALISTIC names again like AVB, Mackey, Clarke, Houllier, Jol, Curbishley, Dalglish, Wilkins and Meulensteen.

then the rest of the names, I don't see what they would do different to Bowyer or have Rovers any higher in the league.

Makes me laugh how anyone who us forced to name a manager is always ripped to bits by the happy venky brigade

The fans who want Bowyer sack should suggest a manager who in their view would be doing.

why do you always come back to Venkys all the time with every argument???

It depends on your ambitions .....Money talks in football , the one thing I am sure of is Gary Bowyer will not take the club forward ...

This is a very poor league and we are in the top half of it , where would we be with a proper man at the helm ?

Average footballers signed in bulk ..Judge ,Marrow ,Taylor , Kilgallon ,Spurr .Gestede , Conway ...etc

name a proper manager then???

Conway, Gestede, Spurr, Taylor, Marshall, Kilgallon, Evans, Cairney have been very good/fairly good signings.

Bowyer has made some poor signings like Marrow, Songo'o, Judge, etc.

Point 1 = £££

Point 2 = You could have a good 'un there but I specifically went for out of work managers. We are more likely to get one as they are more desperate.

(Dyche was an afterthought, tbh. A lot of Rovers fans would baulk at the idea though, I expect).

Money does talk but a lot of managers will want good budget to work with. Rovers are cutting the budget at the minute, not really attractive for a manager.

secondly, with your list(thanks for suggesting the names Staurt btw) but a lot of those managers will never been a football manager again like Dalglish, Burley, Reid, Houllier, Warnock, Souness, Newell, Shearer, Curbishley.

[T.J.Newton]

If I remember right Bowyer and his staff only signed 12 month rolling contracts, So I think his job will seriously be at risk if we don't get into the play off spots(which is highly unlikely now) I can see him/them being replaced tbh whether we agree with the decision or not.

[Riverside67]

Sacking the Manager would put us back into last years fiasco and that got us nowhere.

Bowyers has some major failings still to sort and his blind faith to certain players is hugely frustrating but pressing the panic button right now is not the right thing to do.

[Stuart]

excellent post again Rovers11.

The 'Most Controversial Post Award' writes itself.

secondly, with your list(thanks for suggesting the names Staurt btw) but a lot of those managers will never been a football manager again like Dalglish, Burley, Reid, Houllier, Warnock, Souness, Newell, Shearer, Curbishley.

If you read again, you will see that more than half of my list were to help Bowyer.

We need to decide what kind of club we want. If we want a steady championship side, hoping for 50 points every season, then yes keep Bowyer, BUT at the same time convince 20,000 people paying £500 a season ticket to come along and watch, because Venkys will not support that model indefinitely.

People point at Bumley as to how it can be done but if they aren't promoted this season, they don't have any more parachute payments, and it's the start of the break up of their squad in all probability.

The difference is that Dyche has ordinary players playing each week like it matters, we have Bowyer sending his players out like it doesn't.

We are building a squad for a potentially bleak future. Rock and hard place.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

How many of the multitude of signings we've made over the last few years have actually made an immediate impact would you say ? I don't mean in their first game but in their first five matches let's say.

And how many have been flops who've either had to be dropped or loaned out ?

[Hasta]

Whilst the numbness of the last few years has generally led to me being supportive of Bowyer, recent events have to be laid fully on his doorstep.

As I have just put on another thread.

Neither Lowe nor Williamson offer this mythical 'defensive nous' which people seem to use to justify why they play. A player to fill that role was number one priority at the end of last season. Many people said it numerous times on here. Whilst the likes of Cairney, Taylor, Marshall, Gestede have all had some positive impact, we obviously had money to spend on bringing players in and Bowyer didn't address this key area.

We also currently have the farce with the centre half position which was flagged by supporters as a concern the moment Dann was linked away. We had the option to replace but instead chose to bring in Varney, a third choice striker who looks a weaker version of our current front two when alternative cover was available in Dunn, Rochina or Marshall.

The coming months will be a stern test of Bowyers man-management and motivational skills. I have a horrible feeling that this season may fall away from here on. Defeat next Sunday could be catastrophic for GB.

[den]

Bowyer was also not happy with the assistant referee's decision to award Wanderers third goal. He added: "We had to put three up front and have a go at it at half-time. But the timing of the third goal and for the linesman to see that the ball has gone over the line from his position if you see his position, he's got some eyesight. "But congratulations to him because he got it right, though. I must ask him where he goes for his eye tests."

Read more at: http://www.clubcall.com/blackburn-rovers/bowyer-raps-lack-of-passion-1715544.html?

..? What's that about?

[dingles staying down 4ever]

Bowyer was also not happy with the assistant referee's decision to award Wanderers third goal. He added: "We had to put three up front and have a go at it at half-time. But the timing of the third goal and for the linesman to see that the ball has gone over the line from his position if you see his position, he's got some eyesight. "But congratulations to him because he got it right, though. I must ask him where he goes for his eye tests."

Read more at: http://www.clubcall.com/blackburn-rovers/bowyer-raps-lack-of-passion-1715544.html?

..? What's that about?

If you believe Bowyer we'd top but for the officials. Must be another conspiracy!

[Rover_Shaun]

Just getting over reading the comment where King was lauded as a KEY player by one of the mediocrity loving Bowyerista's

The most damning stat of the day (a day of damning stats like the heaviest defeat to Bolton for 86 years) is the fact that the club are in the same position as last season with just 2 points more. The stat dessimates the credibility of the Bowyerista's claim that he's stabilised the club and worked miracles......give your heads a wobble (to coin a favoured phrase of one of the Bowyerista's)

I'm sure you recall last season? The one that even at this point was lauded as a disaster yet we are just two points better off than when we had assorted numpties like Kean, Berg and Appleton in charge.

One thing is certain. The quality of the league has taken a nosedive to the point where a tactically inept and motivationally bereft empty vessel like Bowyer can look good in the eyes of the easily pleased.

The ONLY differenct in this season and last season is Venky's have lost interest and thus aren't pulling the trigger on managers when frankly this season they would be even more justified as it's kean or bust. Fail to go up this season and the Bowyerista's are in dreamland because the club will only be able to attract one dimensional tactical dolts like Bowyer and skill bereft cheek puffers like Judge and Marrow.

A long long stint in the footballing wilderness awaiits. And it seems some sections of the support are actively embracing it and wishing for it.

[yoda]

The Raos won't sack GB, they will just not renew his contarct

[darrenrover]

Bowyer was also not happy with the assistant referee's decision to award Wanderers third goal. He added: "We had to put three up front and have a go at it at half-time. But the timing of the third goal and for the linesman to see that the ball has gone over the line from his position if you see his position, he's got some eyesight. "But congratulations to him because he got it right, though. I must ask him where he goes for his eye tests."

Read more at: http://www.clubcall.com/blackburn-rovers/bowyer-raps-lack-of-passion-1715544.html?

..? What's that about?

Third goal hit underside of bar, ricocheted out and the linesman flagged that it had crossed the line from a position midway into Rovers' half. I presume tv replays have since vindicated the lino's decision.

[tomphil]

I notice he failed to mention the crap defending/closing down which allowed the shot on goal again. That could have flown straight in the the top corner, what does he say then ?