[Archived] Is Jack Wilshire right?

[Al]

Wilshere probably afraid of losing his place to this lad.

That's my take on it too.

[Audax]

It would be interesting if he opted for Albania, they don't seem that bad but sort of on par with teams like Iceland say, some of these results aren't bad:

http://eloratings.net/Albania.htm

But clearly, Albania isn't up there.

And if Croatia wooed him as I read they are trying, could pump them up, Croatia already have some accomplishment in the international arena. That's understating it really, Croatia at times, have been a real powerhouse.

He could turn into quite a superstar and years down the road, some could say "remember all those people that didn't want him to play for England" so it's a matter of principle.

[CapeTownRover]

The thing is, the PL has stifled the progress of all your national teams. Its going to work, where the national team will have to try and secure these talented foreign youngsters, in order to gain some respectability. There is nothing English anymore in alot of your teams, eg the Olympic issue is one. You support a Scotsman, because he will win you things, but you won't allow another foreigner to help gain success again. Your cricket team has done it, they are English, not South African. I think Wilshere like I said, is afraid that their own place in the national team will be under threat. However, that scenario is healthy, as competition becomes fierce. If you have an opportunity to bring in Adnan and a few other foreign talent, then why not hey. Once the pull on the English shirt then they are English, and only foreign by name and birth

[Audax]

Just in my view:

The England team won't touch a player in the Championship, they'll barely touch a player from one of the smaller clubs.

Allardyce recommended Robinson for the National team when Sam was here, Jordan Rhodes plays for Scotland and true, Scotland are hardly a world power currently. I think England need to make the most of their resources, that's how Jack Charlton built a fairly good team for Republic of Ireland. England should make more use of their resources.

No, England always has to pick the English playing primarily for Chelsea, City, MUFC and Arsenal. Good players nonetheless.

Those maps from the BBC are worth reflecting on: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24464020

At the least, the answer is not clear.

Spain Liga announces 8 matches last year under investigation for match fixing. Things in Italy and Spain have been so corrupt for so long, their achievements often need to be questioned.

[Stuart]

The thing is, the PL has stifled the progress of all your national teams. Its going to work, where the national team will have to try and secure these talented foreign youngsters, in order to gain some respectability. There is nothing English anymore in alot of your teams, eg the Olympic issue is one. You support a Scotsman, because he will win you things, but you won't allow another foreigner to help gain success again. Your cricket team has done it, they are English, not South African. I think Wilshere like I said, is afraid that their own place in the national team will be under threat. However, that scenario is healthy, as competition becomes fierce. If you have an opportunity to bring in Adnan and a few other foreign talent, then why not hey. Once the pull on the English shirt then they are English, and only foreign by name and birth

You seem to have confused "British" with "English" part way through that post, Isgak.

[Guest Norbert]

Never mind guys, the FA have created a task force containing Glenn Hoddle and Howard Wilkinson to review the situation. Who better than a Kenny G listening weirdigan who has not managed since 1998 and a man who said Joe Cole should play as a sweeper?

I might be a bit harsh about Hoddle, as his academy may have been helpful to many young players over the years, but Howard Wilkinson??

[CapeTownRover]

I know the British and English bit Stuart. I deliberately meant that, because you(not you Stuart) can easily adopt another countrys sports men and women just because he/she falls under that British umbrella. However, in this instance, alot of people are reluctant to accept a foreigner even though he could potentially improve your countrys fortunes. Not that he will be the saviour, he might turn out a flop in any case, but as a country you have adopted so many players from other countries over the years. One of the issues though is, and this might contradict my view,is that this potentially limits actual young English talents chances. One of the problems to this is, that its at club level in the 1st place that the young English kids are being frozen out. Once the FA and the PL authorities change their view on how foreigners are handled and the numbers, only then will you see England improve. Its such a difficult situation,because as fans, you want to see the best players play in the league, but at the expense of your national team? I get from reading views on here and on other forums, that the national team has become of less importance.

[thenodrog]

Coupled with his general behaviour, tendency to speak before he thinks and have a high opinion of himself before he has achieved anything, I think it says alot about him and adds to the debate.

Personally if I was a club manager I'd have a rule that none of my players would ever give an interview to the press without either myself or a suitably experienced PR person in attendance. Way too much hassle and potential for disaster when kids with all their brains in their feet are left alone and at the mercy of the press hacks.

Lets be quite frank, anything which appears in print is lucky to even contain a grain of the truth........ wouldn't you agree Jim?

Take out Ozil (Turkish) Kehdir (Turkish) Boateng (Ghana) Podolski (Polish) Klose (Polish) Cacau (Brazilian)

Do you think they would of had the same success over the years?

Rather surprised the krauts don't have more Argies, Brazilians and other South Americans with vaguely aryan features turning out for them.

Diego Costa and Januzaj are picking countries potentially based on living there for 5 years, which is pathetic in all honesty.

In 2002 SGE could have called up both Paulo Di Canio and Carlo Cudecini to play in the World Cup. They were available because they had both been here for over 5 years and neither hade ever been picked for Italy.

[darrenrover]

Its not as simple at that in my view.

What if you have an English married couple (parents are English), go and work in a foreign country have two children born there but say at the ages of 3 and 5 move back to England. Then those two children spend the rest of the childhood in England? They would obviously qualify for a British passport but under your rules they would only qualify for the foreign country to play football. The reality is those two children would have few memories of the foreign country and would feel English by the time the were old enough to represent England. Most likely they wouldnt even be able to speak much of the foreign countries language.

In that scenario and the situation regarding parents' nationality, I concede, they should be eligible to play for either the nation of their birth or that of their parents' birth.

The point I object to is the ludicrous consideration for qualification highlighted by the Januzaj situation. Having a choice of 5 nationalities to represent cannot be right.

[thenodrog]

So if you're born in Belgium but at the age of 1 move to England, are brought up in England, speak English and know nothing of Belgium you should still be forced to play only for Belgium even though you conceivably have little to no link to that country other than the fact you were born there?

Dual nationality I presume. What countries passport would you hold?

Personally in cases like that the player sho0uld be allowed to choose but once that decision is made it should be irrevocable. The scandalous case of Ryan Giggs springs immediately to my mind.

The fact that some people reckon there are English people born in the army who should only be allowed to represent Afghanistan or Iraq is just plain weird.

Given that as the only option I'd shoot my own foot off.

[Audax]

In 2002 SGE could have called up both Paulo Di Canio and Carlo Cudecini to play in the World Cup. They were available because they had both been here for over 5 years and neither hade ever been picked for Italy.

So residency is 5 years? This is why this is a rather abstract topic, it would seem with Janusaj then, one would be talking about 3 years from now? Few footballers would wait that long, the reason your 2 examples work is because Italy has an abundant number of players. Zola got a goal that qualified Italy for the World Cup and they didn't even take him to that World Cup, story goes something like that. That would be aggravating.

[Harrier7]

I see the racial equality industry is on Wilshire's case. Yunus Lunat the chairman of the Football Association's race equality advisory group says he must clarify his views. For Christ sake, leave him alone, he'd just a young lad.

[donnermeat]

I see the racial equality industry is on Wilshire's case. Yunus Lunat the chairman of the Football Association's race equality advisory group says he must clarify his views. For Christ sake, leave him alone, he'd just a young lad.

If that is the case then it truly has been blown out of proportion

[thenodrog]

I see the racial equality industry is on Wilshire's case. Yunus Lunat the chairman of the Football Association's race equality advisory group says he must clarify his views. For Christ sake, leave him alone, he'd just a young lad.

Why has he got that job? Those South asians don't really do football do they? Must be a few bob in it I'd imagine. Somebody of african descent would prob be more appropriate surely?

[jim mk2]

I see the racial equality industry is on Wilshire's case. Yunus Lunat the chairman of the Football Association's race equality advisory group says he must clarify his views. For Christ sake, leave him alone, he'd just a young lad.

I'm not surprised. Perhaps next time Wilshire might stick to comments on his latest injury rather than spouting off over a complex subject of which he shows little understanding. He should have a word with Glenn Hoddle about making daft statements to the media.

[Stuart]

I'm not surprised. Perhaps next time Wilshire might stick to comments on his latest injury rather than spouting off over a complex subject of which he shows little understanding. He should have a word with Glenn Hoddle about making daft statements to the media.

I find it refreshing that a footballer puts something out there that's a bit non-PC, because he believes in it, and doesn't just conform to the usual mono-syllabic, pointless, non-informative @#/? that most footballers spout.

Of course he will do himself no favours in the self-defeating, faux-liberal world of 21st Century Britain.

[yoda]

I thought that residency in the UK was the granting of "indefinite leave to stay",

that is different to nationality, to be granted British nationality you now have pass the required test, this is a precursor to being deemed British, not English Welsh or Scottish, Wilshire might have a point.

[jim mk2]

I find it refreshing that a footballer puts something out there that's a bit non-PC, because he believes in it, and doesn't just conform to the usual mono-syllabic, pointless, non-informative keans that most footballers spout.

Of course he will do himself no favours in the self-defeating, faux-liberal world of 21st Century Britain.

It's fine for footballers to go off topic but they should at least show some understanding of the subject. Wilshire hadn't got a clue what he was getting into.

[roverstdt]

I think so long as there is a link to England then they should be able to represent the England national side. For example , Christian Karembeu from new Caledonia, Marcel Desailly Ghana, Thuram Guadeloupe, hell a lot of the French national team is based from the old colonies and nationalize the brilliant sporting players. If only we could have done that with Wales and nick Gareth Bale haha! Just have to look at the case of Zaha who was born in the Ivory Coast and has no british routes. So long as the player feels british and wishes to represent England I am all for it.

[Stuart]

It's fine for footballers to go off topic

If you accept this...

Wilshire hadn't got a clue what he was getting into.

Then I'm afraid we have to accept this.

They are footballers not politicians. Trouble is we take everything too seriously. I mean, c'mon, the racially equality officer (or whatever pseudo-offendee title he has) being brought into it? Get a grip.

[Audax]

Jack Wilshere has pulled on that badge. I don't know about others, but that's some experience right there I certainly don't have.

[jim mk2]

If you accept this...

Then I'm afraid we have to accept this.

They are footballers not politicians. Trouble is we take everything too seriously. I mean, c'mon, the racially equality officer (or whatever pseudo-offendee title he has) being brought into it? Get a grip.

No you don't. Glenn Hoddle showed the danger of getting out your depth.

[yoda]

No you don't. Glenn Hoddle showed the danger of getting out your depth.

Is your new sig an attempt at revenge for the Maggie thing?

[Guest Norbert]

And Terry Butcher, The Duke of Wellington, Joanna Lumley and Eddie Izzard.

[dave birch]

So Ted Dexter, Colin Cowdrey, Nasser Hussain aren't English? Breathtaking

So, If giant had said "born to English parents", would that have made any difference to your reply?

Or, if the parents,or one of them, being of English origin, but living outside the UK for more than 5 years, then they should be allowed to play for England?

For me, there are too many "economic" journeyman footballers, no matter how good they are.