[Archived] Transfer Embargo?

[Stuart]

I know Stuart i agree with you-but just how far do they go with this charade? none of it makes sense and they are just p1ssing cash away -and its a championship team NOT the PL team they thought they were investing in. Mind blowing

The billion rupee question of Venkys (continued) ownership of Rovers.

Why?

[Paul]

FFP won't happen. The big rich clubs don't want it and in football the bigger richer people generally get their way.

True it's the way of the world

In the championship alone, if Bolton, Blackburn, Forest, Leicester etc are all on transfer embargos next season then it makes a mockery of the whole league. If it was just one or two clubs then the league would probably sanction a transfer embargo. As it's many clubs, the league simply won't impose anything other than a fine.

I'm far from up to date with FFP and I'm neither for or against but I fail to see how it makes z mockery of the whole league (presume you really mean division?) ?

While I agree it's unlikely to be effective if clubs spend within their means and the rules are successfully enforced it would level the playing field to an extent.

The irony is Rovers under Williams would probably have been very well placed to deal with FFP. Something which was often remarked on by MB members.

[Rover_Shaun]

Maybe the transfer embargo will be for financial misconduct and/or any future defaults of payments for players. ie the millions we owe for Rhodes etc?

It's happened before to clubs

I also cannot fathom the promotion of bust comment from Shaw as the summer's transfer dealings shouted nothing more than midtable and we are far from assembling a promotion capable squad

[broadsword]

I also cannot fathom the promotion of bust comment from Shaw as the summer's transfer dealings shouted nothing more than midtable and we are far from assembling a promotion capable squad

I doubt that that is what Venky's are thinking.

So what is more likely then? A transfer embargo because of FFP rules, or one enforced due to administration?

[McClarky]

Another non story from the LET. All it basically says is that a transfer embargo is a possible sanction under FFP. As Shaw is as complicit as anyone else in the predicament we find ourselves in he should resign now rather than trying to shift the blame onto FFP.

[philipl]

Of course by going on the BBC and saying these things, Shaw has completely blown any chance Rovers might have had of legally challenging FFP.

I bet those chairmen which have balls as opposed balls ups are knocking Shaw down a shelf or two as I type this.

[FGS5635]

Not sure whats to be gained from revealing this info.

Certainly puts GB and the players under a bit more pressure.

Makes the fans a bit more tetchy and over eager to go up this year

Also weakens our hand if we are trying to sell a player

I kind of like his honesty, but really on the whole this should have been a question dodged imo

[roversR4ever]

I really cant see the benefit in him releasing this info now.

It could easily put us in a position where anyone trying to sign a player of us is going to bid lower knowing the mess we are in. I suppose the alternative is that Venkys are going to keep funding Rovers and in doing so know that mean we wont comply but believe that the young players will keep improving and we wont need to sign anyone.

If they already know we wont comply then it might make sense for them to get anyone signed in January to make the team more competitive. In the hope that those signings make the difference or put us in a much stronger position next year. (assuming they can afford next year as the clubs income massively drops and we are going to fail to comply with the rules again)

It certainly increases the pressure on Bowyer and the team to get up this year.

Unless he is starting to try to put pressure on the league and hoping that other clubs will follow. The league could be under a lot of pressure if a good number of teams cant comply. You could see a very messy situation as the clubs that have managed to get themselves complying to the rules obviously wanting the teams that have failed punished badly.

I am having major doubts about the new rules, especially in the light of just how much extra money the relegated teams from the Prem are going to get (a substantially larger amount than when the rules were agreed). It could end up in the position where a small number of teams yoyo between the Prem and championship with the rest of the championship unable to compete. Just like the champion league money has partly helped create a similar situation in prem. Also look at Real Madrid and Man u (their owners have massive debt from buying the club - but that doesn't count?)

Does anyone have a clue how much money rovers is losing now? A lot of the high earners were shifted out so surely we mustn't be losing as much now. How many would be left? Robinson, Etuhu, Dann, Dunn, Rochina (assuming he is on high wages - I don't know), Rhodes (but again how high is his wage?).

Also how would an embargo mean we cant loan players? Or does that only apply to signings?

[den]

Not sure whats to be gained from revealing this info.

Certainly puts GB and the players under a bit more pressure.

Makes the fans a bit more tetchy and over eager to go up this year

Also weakens our hand if we are trying to sell a player

I kind of like his honesty, but really on the whole this should have been a question dodged imo

Correct. Nothing to be gained by Shaw going public at this time. On the other hand, posters blaming Shaw for the clubs predicament are well wide of the mark.

As for the possible transfer embargo, well I pointed out in the Bowyer thread at the time when SS was rumoured to be coming back, that the owners might well see results as "not being good enough". Personally, I saw comments along the line of "a mid table finish this season" being completely acceptable, we're naive in the extreme. Also, this idea that we're resembling a well run club again, is really missing the true scenario. Rovers, for my money, are teetering on the brink of massive problems. If we don't go up this season, don't expect to see anything resembling the club in it's present form, next season.

[FGS5635]

Agreed, also what happens if teams buy all your goalkeepers for example. Do you have to stick an u16's lad in goal or can you actually sign a keeper as you have none. I know a bit far fetched, but its not inconceivable

[roversR4ever]

Of course by going on the BBC and saying these things, Shaw has completely blown any chance Rovers might have had of legally challenging FFP.

I bet those chairmen which have balls as opposed balls ups are knocking Shaw down a shelf or two as I type this.

Philip forgive my ignorance but how does admitting we wont comply to the rules mean we wont be able to legally challenge them. Admitting the club is not going comply doesn't me you are admitting you agreed with the rules or think they are legal? Im not saying you are wrong just if you could explain it so I understand it better!

Also Rovers had not option to agree to the FFP rules in the Championship as what was the alternative upon relegation.

Surely there could be a number of teams that might challenge and they will already in most cases no doubt know whether they will meet the rules. I suspect theres going to be a good number that wont. Possibly not to the same scale as Rovers admittedly which might be the issue for Rovers.

Either way I suspect that come this summer theres going to be one big mess we may miss complying to the new rules by the biggest margin but it really wont surprise me if a very good number of teams fail to comply. I don't know all the rules but do they get more severe the more you miss complying? ie missing by 6 mill instead of 2 mil or 1 mil etc. What a mess the league could be in if say 7-10 teams had embargos?

[FGS5635]

Reading between the lines it also seems that if we do go up there will be no funds to strengthen for the prem league and we'd have to hope to stay up with the squad we have now

[Majiball]

You get the best part of 100M for finishing last, surely we could sign one or two with that sort of income even in our current keaned state?

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[Willie Eckerslike]

There will be plenty of clubs wanting to challenge the legality of the FFP and not just at the highest levels

This guy is on the case already and he is the guy who beat UEFA over the Bosman ruling

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24333604

[Majiball]

Well lets hope the law moves quickly and it gets over turned as that would appear to be the only way we can sign players next season.

Given our only concrete salvation is promotion I do not understand our business one little bit this summer as reality dictates we need to finish in the top two.

We don't seem to be taking our fate into our hands IMO and leaving our chances to others and hope.

I can only assume Disneyland Blackburn is on the cards as we are defo mickey mouse.

[T4E]

There will be plenty of clubs wanting to challenge the legality of the FFP and not just at the highest levels

This guy is on the case already and he is the guy who beat UEFA over the Bosman ruling

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24333604

Isn't that guy exactly what Derek Shaw would look like if he took 6 months off the pies?

[roversR4ever]

Interestingly had a look at the financial fair play site.

Its suggesting for the 2013/2014 season

The club can make a £8m loss or £3m if owner does not inject equity. Interestingly it says first punishments would be Dec 2014. Doesn't that mean the club wouldn't face an embargo until after summer? ie the Jan transfer window?

Does anyone know if this is correct?

[Parsonblue]

Of course by going on the BBC and saying these things, Shaw has completely blown any chance Rovers might have had of legally challenging FFP.

I bet those chairmen which have balls as opposed balls ups are knocking Shaw down a shelf or two as I type this.

I may be wrong, but I think the FFP that UEFA are trying to bring in and the one that the Football League have brought in on a rolling programme are slightly different. My understanding is that the chairmen of all the Football League clubs agreed to the FFP system that the Football League are adopting the their AGM. It has already been running in Leagues One and Two before being introduced to the Championship. This is the system that the chairmen of the Football League clubs wanted and happily voted for at their AGM. I believe the aim of the Football League system is merely to stop clubs building up debt and to prevent clubs going out of business. Surely, the only chairmen who could mount a legal challenge would be those who were not present at the AGM when the decision was agreed. The fact that it has been running fairly successfully in the lower Leagues would surely make it more difficult to overturn particularly as it was a decision which the clubs readily agreed to adopt.

[OJRovers]

Interestingly had a look at the financial fair play site.

Its suggesting for the 2013/2014 season

The club can make a £8m loss or £3m if owner does not inject equity. Interestingly it says first punishments would be Dec 2014. Doesn't that mean the club wouldn't face an embargo until after summer? ie the Jan transfer window?

Does anyone know if this is correct?

Yes the earliest possible embargo is Jan 2015

Does anyone know which accounts they use to determine the profit/loss? What would happen if your accounting year end was Dec 2014, the accounts wouldn't be ready for months, so how could they impose the embargo?

[K-Hod]

There's pretty much nothing fair about financial fair play unless you've got a huge fanbase that shifts loads of tickets/merchandise.

[koi]

Totally ignorant to FFP. Is this being applied to the PL? If you're in the Championship and get hit with an embargo will that carry through to the PL if you are promoted?

[Bucksrover]

If FFP means, as my vague understanding of it suggests it will, that small clubs are going to be realistically unable to ever become big clubs then I think football will have lost something.

I agree that nobody wants to see another Portsmouth. But in the industry I work in, for example, if you are exposed to too much risk for the size of company you are you can get a parent company guarantee to cover it - basically if we got Venky's company to guarantee our debts then there is no risk of us going under.

These one-size fits all rules always seem to be geared towards favouring the big-boys - teams like Man United - with their 75 thousand seat stadium and global fan-base seem to have more of a say than most, and are going to be relishing FFP because it will stop another Chelsea or Man City rising up to challenge them.

My only other comment would be that, and again I am using my work as an example, if I report a serious risk to something I am managing, I would be expected to also spell out a plan for dealing with that risk. It is all very well being open and honest about an impending threat to our club, but Shaw is employed on a full-time basis to run our club - other than 'get promoted' - I would expect some sort of indication that plans are in place.

[ABBEY]

Makes me laugh how people on here are saying we have stability . If losing money hand over fist is stable then keep on blindly happy clapping.

I along with quite a few more said this was coming from day 1. Fans chose not to march and started fights with fans who were at least trying to stand and make a stand against these idiots. Fans pulled their puds and thought everything Rosie just because Scsbby Minge had left the ranch .

There was a chance (snowball gate ) to let rip at idiots in charge and only a few could be arsed. During relegation season , people sat on their hands and still refused to let rip at them , Wigan aside but by then it was to late. Tremblers I think we got called .

People yet again type on here shock at an embargo but anyone could / can see what these morons have done and are doing to us . This squad is not good enough for going up or is there a core of players good enough to keep us there if we somehow bodged our way up. It would take more than the 100i million to do this.

But hey ho in venkys you trust everything's 2 million a month stable.

[Blue n White Rover]

Mystic Meg over here.

[ABBEY]

Nob off .. Thought I'd post but the stalker will stalk . Outta here again your an obsessed wierdo.