[Archived] Holloway for Rovers? Oi don't know about that

[McClarky]

You do realise we are losing £2.5m a month

Eh? No, never heard that before. I thought we were in the pink.

[Amo]

My dad always told me that geniuses are insane.

I like to tell myself this.

[RibbleValleyRover]

He's been there and done it, a lot of managers in the division haven't. Maybe there is no interest from Rovers but there will be teams in the league that feel he is the manager to get them to the football promised land.

[Guest Norbert]

I'd take him on, if we could keep Bowyer et al on as well. I do have a lot of time for Bowyer, and he is by all accounts a good coach. Perhaps if Holloway came in Bowyer could be our new Tony Parkes-stepping in at vital times and being the super caretaker.

[T.J.Newton]

What about ........... as bowyers ............! I've heard something special is being lined up for January, Brace your knickers.

[PAFELL]

No to Holloway imo

One poster said do we have the luxury of time with regards to Bowyer. Financially, we have no choice.

Bowyer has had a taste of management now. Has a contract - it would therefore cost money to either move him down or even out. Plus more money to recruit Holloway or for that matter, anybody else. I don't think adding more and more to the debt is the answer.

I am happy to keep going with Bowyer - but hope he learns fast.

[T.J.Newton]

Only a 12 month contract though, which I'd imagine is due to expire in the summer.

[Rover_Shaun]

What about ........... as bowyers ............! I've heard something special is being lined up for January, Brace your knickers.

Expand. I'm wearing the wifes today

[chaddyrovers]

Only a 12 month contract though, which I'd imagine is due to expire in the summer.

its a 12 months rolling contract which is very different to just a 12 month contract..

[booth]

its a 12 months rolling contract which is very different to just a 12 month contract..

In what way?

[Guest Norbert]

I think you'd have to make the effort to cancel it, rather than let it run down.

[Rover_Shaun]

"Dear Gary. We will not be renewing your contract as First Team manager when it expires"

"However we will be offerring you an alternative contract to take over as xxxxxxxxx"

Done.

[longsiders1882]

12 month rolling means it always has 12 months to run - in other words to get rid costs a years salary dependent upon any other clauses. You can of course give 12 months notice and pay month by month as opposed to up front - again depending on clauses within the contract.

[Silas]

12 month rolling means it always has 12 months to run - in other words to get rid costs a years salary dependent upon any other clauses. You can of course give 12 months notice and pay month by month as opposed to up front - again depending on clauses within the contract.

Really?!

Cos that's not how a rolling contract works in any other area I know of.

Generally the contract runs for 12 months and there will be a notice stipulation in the terms which means if either party gives x amount of months notice then it will terminate at the end of the 12 months. If neither party does this then when the 12 months date passes the contract rolls over and both parties are then bound to another 12 months.

Unless you have specialist information that football contracts run differently, then your post makes no sense to me.

[Rover_Shaun]

I do know that a rolling stone gathers no moss

[Amo]

Just to humour the idea, while I'm not Holloway's biggest fan, I wouldn't be opposed to the idea of him taking over. If this season really is sh*t or bust for the club's immediate future, then someone with Holloway's track record is preferable to a guy who's still learning the trade. That's no offence to Bowyer, because I think he's doing a fine job under the circumstances, but we need the best possible shot at promotion. If I was Venky's, I would insist that Bowyer & Terry McPhillips were kept on as part of the backroom staff, instead of uprooting everything again (and there's the small matter of payoffs). But hey, this is fantasy football, because even if Bowyer was replaced, it sure as hell wouldn't be by an experienced league manager.

[FGS5635]

Im sure the players would be over joyed with another new manager

[Blue blood]

Just to humour the idea, while I'm not Holloway's biggest fan, I wouldn't be opposed to the idea of him taking over. If this season really is sh*t or bust for the club's immediate future, then someone with Holloway's track record is preferable to a guy who's still learning the trade. That's no offence to Bowyer, because I think he's doing a fine job under the circumstances, but we need the best possible shot at promotion. If I was Venky's, I would insist that Bowyer & Terry McPhillips were kept on as part of the backroom staff, instead of uprooting everything again (and there's the small matter of payoffs). But hey, this is fantasy football, because even if Bowyer was replaced, it sure as hell wouldn't be by an experienced league manager.

That's the most frustrating thing. In the circumstances this is utterly what we need (and have needed for some time) yet for some reason Venkys won't do this.

Which begs the question why? Surely even slow learners or random decision making would have given someone experienced a go by now.

[Rover_Shaun]

Im sure the players would be over joyed with another new manager

Well they sure as hell won't realise it's largely their fault

[FGS5635]

In my opinion we'd go backwards with holloway and we'd lose a good man in bowyer who wouldnt stay at the club

[longsiders1882]

Really?!

Cos that's not how a rolling contract works in any other area I know of.

Generally the contract runs for 12 months and there will be a notice stipulation in the terms which means if either party gives x amount of months notice then it will terminate at the end of the 12 months. If neither party does this then when the 12 months date passes the contract rolls over and both parties are then bound to another 12 months.

Unless you have specialist information that football contracts run differently, then your post makes no sense to me.

No specialist knowledge, can't be doing with people on the internet making knowledge and experience up for themselves, simply what I was told regarding these contracts. I have encountered the type of contract you mention at work where there is in effect an initial term and then, as you say, clear notice clauses which, if not exercised, mean the contract 'renews' for a further fixed period so I've no idea which version is correct.

I did do a quick google though - as I say I cannot claim any legal knowledge on this or any other area of law, and found this:

This is somewhat of a grey area as these types of contract are not used that often and their definition is not set in stone in any legislation. However the notion is indeed that for a 12 month contract, for example, at any one period you have 12 months of the contract left.

There was a case a few years ago (G&A Limited v HN Jewellery (Asia) Limited and others [2003] All ER (D) 331) which dealt with a 3-year rolling contract. It was decided that such a contract was to continue indefinitely subject to either party giving three years' notice of termination (so in your case 12 months' notice) and the word "rolling" suggested a continuing contract rather than a contract subject to renewal.

From http://www.justanswer.com/uk-law/39vwd-one-year-rolling-contract-understood-mean.html

And this

What Is It?

It was popular opinion after the unveiling of Hoddle on Monday that his contract would expire at the end of the season and negotiations would have to start all over again.

However the rolling contract means that Glenn Hoddle will always have 12 months left on his contract. It is only impossible for his contract to run out if both Wolves and Hoddle agree on a termination.

So for example, this time next year assuming both party's are happy with the working conditions then Glenn Hoddle will still have twelve months remaining on his contract.

Why?

The basis of a 12 month rolling contract is that should Wolves need to sack Hoddle then they would only need to pay off the remainder of his contract (12 months). In the past when a manager has been sacked, Wolves have had to pay huge sums of cash as compensation. Former boss Dave Jones a testament to this as Wolves had to pay him compensation for the remaining 18 months of his contract.

From here: http://www.thefootballnetwork.net/main/s115/st73284.htm - I think this may have been the situation where my original understanding came from

Really?!

Cos that's not how a rolling contract works in any other area I know of.

Generally the contract runs for 12 months and there will be a notice stipulation in the terms which means if either party gives x amount of months notice then it will terminate at the end of the 12 months. If neither party does this then when the 12 months date passes the contract rolls over and both parties are then bound to another 12 months.

Unless you have specialist information that football contracts run differently, then your post makes no sense to me.

By the way, nice profile pic

[RevidgeBlue]

In my opinion we'd go backwards with holloway and we'd lose a good man in bowyer who wouldnt stay at the club

I was in favour of appointing Holloway before Berg was appointed but I think that would be my view on him as well now given his ultimately very unsatisfactory time at Palace.

[FGS5635]

He seemed to get alot of praise for how he handled his exit at palace, but for me it was a disgrace to leave the club like that after signing 13 players.

He said he left becasue for the 1st time he felt they didnt listen to him at half time v fulham. WTF is that, just drop the the players that didnt listen. Dont just walk out on the club that gave you a job at the 1st sign of trouble

[tomphil]

He went before he was pushed imo. The next game up was Arsenal and he knew he was losing the players and about to be turned on by the fans. Although in doing so he probably waved away a fair bit in compen so fair play to him for that. Someone like Holloway at Rovers would go one of 2 ways, either he'd get the place going and build a head of steam towards promotion or it would go spectacularly tits up in a short space of time.

[T.J.Newton]

fck the players, they're the ones not performing consistently, they will be the only ones to blame if bowyer gets replaced(other than bowyer himself)