[Archived] Times article

[den]

I honestly believe that anybody who has been keeping up with this forum and reading between the lines has a good understanding of what has been going on. This information has been systematically and carefully put in the public domain through drip feeding. Those responsible will have been watching this and wincing, without being able to prevent it. Step back take stock and i think as fans we know a large percentage of who is responsible and how. Do we really need any more confirmation of this?? NO we know enough and have a big enough picture for the time being. Now is the time to take stock and try and damage limit as the future of our club hangs delicately-we as fans need to get behind the team and GB as they paper over the cracks. I couldn't agree more with the comments of Glen and the strategies used.

I agree with most of this. The problem is that it's too late now. "Not wanting to hurt the club more"? In my opinion the club won't exist too much longer. If there was evidence of illegalities, as opposed to should we say "mismanagement", for the sake of the club's future it had to have been put forward 12 months ago.

I'm not sure anything illegal did go on. However, we also don't know, what we don't know. Just hope that isn't being used to retain some kind of credibility and mislead people.

[Amo]

Rovers fans are too lily-livered to have made a difference. The current incumbent should never have been allowed to get away with what they have, but fans were too busy hand-wringing over whether to protest against Venky's/Kean or GET BEHIND THE LADS! Comes with a small club mentality, I guess. I don't see the point publishing the dossier at this point. Even if it was a game-changer, it's sod all use to anyone now. I guess it would give the vultures some reading material as they pick off the flesh that was once BRFC.

[arbitro]

Rovers fans are too lily-livered to have made a difference. The current incumbent should never have been allowed to get away with what they have, but fans were too busy hand-wringing over whether to protest against Venky's/Kean or GET BEHIND THE LADS! Comes with a small club mentality, I guess. I don't see the point publishing the dossier at this point. Even if it was a game-changer, it's sod all use to anyone now. I guess it would give the vultures some reading material as they pick off the flesh that was once BRFC.

Wow what a sweeping generalisation. And what exactly did you do in terms of protesting - shout at your laptop? Still if Rovers go to the wall you will still have your yellow submarine to 'follow' albeit from afar.

[Amo]

Wow what a sweeping generalisation. And what exactly did you do in terms of protesting - shout at your laptop? Still if Rovers go to the wall you will still have your yellow submarine to 'follow' albeit from afar.

Am I right or am I wrong? Some fans made an effort, but they were a very small minority, which is why Team Kean was able to distort the facts and shrug off the 1 percenters. Rovers supporters on a whole just aren't a passionate fanbase. I'm sure even the most partisan of fans would agree with that.

[FGS5635]

I disagree. many protested. Dont confuse small minority with what we actually are which is a small fanbase

A decent % protested in some way or another. Enough protested for rovers fans to generally be chastised as a result of it

[Amo]

I disagree. many protested. Dont confuse small minority with what we actually are which is a small fanbase

A decent % protested in some way or another. Enough protested for rovers fans to generally be chastised as a result of it

What was the rough average for attendances in the PL? Something like 18,000-20,000 fans?

Of them, about 500 fans chose to march/protest against Kean & Venky's? (should always have been Venky's btw. Just made a martyr out of Kean).

So, less than 3% of those attending made the effort? Kean wasn't far off, was he?

[FGS5635]

But would any fanbase get a much higher %. Plus plenty more protested in the ground etc

[Jimmy612]

Am I right or am I wrong? Some fans made an effort, but they were a very small minority, which is why Team Kean was able to distort the facts and shrug off the 1 percenters. Rovers supporters on a whole just aren't a passionate fanbase. I'm sure even the most partisan of fans would agree with that.

Do you know what I found incredible during the organisation of protests. How often I used to get ridiculed for going. I'd say to people 'are you coming on this protest' and people used to sneer and laugh. The generic answer most times was 'it's not going to make a difference, they aren't listening'. Pathetic, weak people.

I honestly think people were embarassed to protest. They'd rather hide away in the pub and criticise the regime from a safe distance.

I'm generally of the opinion that if these people has been around in the 1930's, we'd all have been wearing Lederhosens and speaking German now. Lily-livered is absolutely right Toppers. Too many people prepared to criticise a regime and do absolutely diddly-squat about it.

[thenodrog]

Also I see that Singh and Shaw don't make your rogues gallery when, looking from the outside they looks as culpable as the other bast@rds.

I don't believe incompetence / unfit for purpose is anywhere close to swindling. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/swindle

[FGS5635]

No time for anyone who laughed or sneered at the protest walkers, but its unfair to generalise everyone who didnt attend as lily livered

[thenodrog]

After all thats happened and all we know or think we know reading between the lines, I cant believe there isnt cause for rovers/venkys to take legal action against some of these keans that have been part of our downfall

How about needing concrete proof?

A certain individual was given carte blanche to negotiate player contracts by the owners etc during the first transfer window of their tenure so he was doing nothing wrong on the face of it. By their own actions they put their own heads in the noose willingly and freely. The remuneration for his service will be the grey area as will any 'kickbacks' from subsequent contracts dealt with by his 'client'.

[Jimmy612]

No time for anyone who laughed or sneered at the protest walkers, but its unfair to generalise everyone who didnt attend as lily livered

No well fair enough. 50% were Lily livered.

The other 50% were either too thick to realise what was happening and called for patience or told us that 'protests would affect the players'.

[FGS5635]

I refuse to believe that in all this someone somewhere hasnt broken the law

[thenodrog]

Do you know what I found incredible during the organisation of protests. How often I used to get ridiculed for going. I'd say to people 'are you coming on this protest' and people used to sneer and laugh. The generic answer most times was 'it's not going to make a difference, they aren't listening'. Pathetic, weak people.

I honestly think people were embarassed to protest. They'd rather hide away in the pub and criticise the regime from a safe distance.

I'm generally of the opinion that if these people has been around in the 1930's, we'd all have been wearing Lederhosens and speaking German now. Lily-livered is absolutely right Toppers. Too many people prepared to criticise a regime and do absolutely diddly-squat about it.

Exactly. Mice and men.

[FGS5635]

Serious question and not trying to be a kean, but does anyone believe it would have made any difference if say 5k attended the protest walk?

[jim mk2]

Serious question and not trying to be a kean, but does anyone believe it would have made any difference if say 5k attended the protest walk?

... and then occupied Ewood ? Yes.

[FGS5635]

In what way do you feel it would have made a diffrence? More press coverage etc? or?

[Roverall]

Those Kean Out flyers that appeared at the Arsenal game were printed out in Dublin by me.

I was absolutely flabbergasted that so many people who actually live in the area, heck the country, couldn't be bothered doing more to voice displeasure about the base pillaging that was so clearly going on.

A lot of weakness, apathy and stupidity on the part of our support. It made me very angry and still does.

[tomphil]

I refuse to believe that in all this someone somewhere hasnt broken the law

It will have been nipped in the bud when the heat was on and buried very deep and the tracks covered.

[thenodrog]

No time for anyone who laughed or sneered at the protest walkers, but its unfair to generalise everyone who didnt attend as lily livered

OK how about 'uncaring'? 'Weak kneed' perhaps? 'Apprehensive' even? Perhaps the most appropriate would be 'timid'.

The future of the club was bleak and it was being torn apart and wrecked before our eyes yet so many professed an inability to either see or believe it so I suppose 'stupid' might be appropriate also.

Does anybody believe that we liked marching to Ewood en masse and then trooping back home? How about the freezing cold vigils outside Brockhall (btw I didn't do this) and Ewood? Hands up those who think that was enjoyable in any way? Cos speaking as a committed trembler I can tell you it keaning well wasn't!

... and then occupied Ewood ? Yes.

Better if 20000 had and then fooked off home as I did. Failing that they should all have worn yellow and even those who went in should NOT have sat on the Riverside, and all those on the Blackburn End should have sat as far back from the front as possible. Small things that might have averted the current and imo completely predictable current situation.

I refuse to believe that in all this someone somewhere hasnt broken the law

I've no doubt that I and most on here break the law every day by exceeding 30mph somewhere or other but no action can be taken without proof.

[FGS5635]

It will have been nipped in the bud when the heat was on and buried very deep and the tracks covered.

I cant beleive the FA / uefa / fifa etc dont have rules in place for what the dark lord did. Such a conflict of interests to be advised/consulting for a club and then his client gets the managers job and his clients then appear left right and centre in the squad.

[thenodrog]

Serious question and not trying to be a kean, but does anyone believe it would have made any difference if say 5k attended the protest walk?

I would think much more of you if you had thought to ask that question 2 years ago. All this handwringing is all a bit too late now eh FG?

[jim mk2]

The protest marches were just playing with the problem.

It needed a mass occupation of the pitch during a match causing to be abandoned to publicise our plight.

The worldwide media exposure might even have got through to India.

But as usual apathy reigned.

[FGS5635]

I would think much more of you if you had thought to ask that question 2 years ago. Bit too late now eh FG?

This is the tinterweb, I suspect we will never meet, so what you think of me really is unimportant.

That said..I did my bit in various ways 2 years ago.

I didnt attend the walks as at the time I thought they were a waste of time. Even now I still fail see what they could have achieved that would change were we are now.

I respect the people who did what they did and I certainly wouldnt mock your efforts, I just didnt see the benefits

[tomphil]

The protest marches were just playing with the problem.

It needed a mass occupation of the pitch during a match causing to be abandoned to publicise our plight.

The worldwide media exposure might even have got through to India.

But as usual apathy reigned.

The people of the Blackburn area have always been mostly laid back, down to earth friendly humble types though. It's often commented on by rival fans or people who visit the area and that's no bad thing. Sadly though a lot have always had a take it or leave it attitude towards Rovers and wouldn't get involved in anything like that even if they were paid.