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[K-Hod]

Not rubbish in my experience K-Hod. Radicalistion starts with infantile indoctrination in the madrassas, mosques and in the home where the muslim / kuffar (believer/non believer) boundaries are set. I have no doubt it continues now in the faith schools springing up all over the town with the misguided blessings of the education authority and council. If this myopic and divisive education policy formed in this town on irrelevent (to the muslim) political expedience isn't fomenting future troubles and actually working against the misguided panacea of integration (as purported by woolly liberals and utilised adversely by those with no intention of integrating into western society) then I don't know what is. The internet simply allows for further radicalisation by linking together those with dangerous fundamentalist tendencies the world over.

I've no doubt you are correct Tom, but why was he running? He'd only been stopped for a traffic violation hadn't he and it appeared to me that he'd just been caught after running the first time as they seemed to be in a park or similar. Why police aren't instructed to aim below the belt for such cases is a mystery. 'Head and heart' is fine if the other guy is attacking with a weapon but running away seems wrong.

That was a quote from the article Theno, I was highlighting the ignorance of it.

[Tom]

Theno if I was a black man in America and got arrested by a white police man I would be running too, all they have to do is shout 'stop resisting' and they think they have a free reign to kill you it seems

[ultrablue]

It's actually "free rein" Tom. I don't want to part of the spelling/grammar police, although it is my day job. I would've spelled it like you. I just saw this on a list of "commonly misspelled phrases" lists.

It's an interesting chicken and egg situation as far as "the right to bear arms" versus the police's use of "deadly force" is concerned. Do armed citizens necessitate routinely armed police who need to act on the spur of the moment when they feel threatened? Or do videos like the one in South Carolina create distrust and make individuals cling to their guns more fiercely under the threat of the police state. Clearly, it is a cyclical thing which serves only to help the gun manufacturers and the politicians in their pockets. Hence why neo-cons always leap to the defense of both the individual gun owner and the police - more guns, more money.

But as far as this video is concerned - the man was unarmed and running away. The video is pretty clear and hence the murder charge. He might even have been charged without the video, just from eyewitness statements and the autopsy. However, the video has saved us another whole round of victim blaming and race-baiting from the American media.

[ABBEY]

It's actually "free rein" Tom. I don't want to part of the spelling/grammar police, although it is my day job. I just saw this on a list of "commonly misspelled phrases" lists.

So you don't want to part of ? Is this actually correct ? Should it not BE ?

Love how you try to belittle our Tom but if it's your job you need to perform a bit better.

[Tom]

It's actually "free rein" Tom. I don't want to part of the spelling/grammar police, although it is my day job. I would've spelled it like you. I just saw this on a list of "commonly misspelled phrases" lists.

It's an interesting chicken and egg situation as far as "the right to bear arms" versus the police's use of "deadly force" is concerned. Do armed citizens necessitate routinely armed police who need to act on the spur of the moment when they feel threatened? Or do videos like the one in South Carolina create distrust and make individuals cling to their guns more fiercely under the threat of the police state. Clearly, it is a cyclical thing which serves only to help the gun manufacturers and the politicians in their pockets. Hence why neo-cons always leap to the defense of both the individual gun owner and the police - more guns, more money.

But as far as this video is concerned - the man was unarmed and running away. The video is pretty clear and hence the murder charge. He might even have been charged without the video, just from eyewitness statements and the autopsy. However, the video has saved us another whole round of victim blaming and race-baiting from the American media.

That's already started, if you read the New York times report it lists the officers achivements then lists the victims convictions it's disgusting.

[ABBEY]

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/blackburn/12877069.UPDATED_Blackburn_teen_charged_with_terrorism_offences/

another blackburn arrest!

[K-Hod]

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/blackburn/12877069.UPDATED_Blackburn_teen_charged_with_terrorism_offences/

another blackburn arrest!

That's the same kid from yesterday, they've just named him today.

Though to be honest, I'd have arrested him on a further 2 charges:

1) Wearing that jumper

2) Taking a selfie in said jumper

[ABBEY]

apologies

[ultrablue]

That's already started, if you read the New York times report it lists the officers achivements then lists the victims convictions it's disgusting.

I haven't seen that. And the NY Times is supposed to be the left-leaning rag!

I just saw some of the news channel coverage and they just had to admit it was pretty condemning evidence. Of course they were quick to say the race of the killer and the victim were of no consequence at all.

By the way, about "free reins", just something mildly interesting I learnt the other day, no offence meant - but then perhaps you knew that.

[K-Hod]

apologies

No need pal, don't be daft!

[Tom]

That's the same kid from yesterday, they've just named him today.

Though to be honest, I'd have arrested him on a further 2 charges:

1) Wearing that jumper

2) Taking a selfie in said jumper

I have that jumper

This is a bad day

[ABBEY]

And to think I stuck up for you earlier

[speeeeeeedie]

But as far as this video is concerned - the man was unarmed and running away. The video is pretty clear and hence the murder charge. He might even have been charged without the video, just from eyewitness statements and the autopsy. However, the video has saved us another whole round of victim blaming and race-baiting from the American media.

It is very tricky situation.

I have a mate who is a policeman. He says that they do have the right to use what he called "whatever force necessary" until a person submits to arrest. You can argue that running away constitutes not submitting, but to then shoot the lad in the back is extreme.

There are iffy cops in America. Incidents like this will make it harder for good ones to do their jobs.

So far my favourite story is that the North Charleston PD had been debating whether or not to order body cameras for their officers. By the end of yesterday they were ordered and on their way.

I also read a few stories after the Ferguson shooting stating that the US government is loathe to introduce "non-lethal weapons" to local forces as they could be easily used to stifle protest among the masses.

[Biddy]

So the South is going to get even richer with the find of potentially 158 billion barrels worth of oil near Gatwick. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-32229203

Still, might shut the Scots up.

[ultrablue]

It is very tricky situation.

I have a mate who is a policeman. He says that they do have the right to use what he called "whatever force necessary" until a person submits to arrest. You can argue that running away constitutes not submitting, but to then shoot the lad in the back is extreme.

There are iffy cops in America. Incidents like this will make it harder for good ones to do their jobs.

So far my favourite story is that the North Charleston PD had been debating whether or not to order body cameras for their officers. By the end of yesterday they were ordered and on their way.

I also read a few stories after the Ferguson shooting stating that the US government is loathe to introduce "non-lethal weapons" to local forces as they could be easily used to stifle protest among the masses.

You're right it's tricky. When anyone could easily be carrying, I don't blame police for being careful if the situation feels somehow "off". However this was a routine traffic stop for a broken tail light. Was this guy under arrest? The policeman had his licence plate. If he runs, write him up for the ticket later and add an account of evading arrest if you want. To go from that starting point to emptying your clip into the blokes back is frankly unbelievable. They have to be trained that there is something in between.

I think good police know how to handle people. I think they will do their jobs well whatever happens. Hopefully this is just a case of one more iffy cop off the street.

Just regarding your final point - They must have something against using non lethal weapons, but I'm not sure what you mean stifling protest. Remember the police in Ferguson with the full tactical military gear and the armored trucks? Why on earth do they need them?

[yoda]

It's actually "free rein" Tom. I don't want to part of the spelling/grammar police, although it is my day job. I would've spelled it like you. I just saw this on a list of "commonly misspelled phrases" lists.

It's an interesting chicken and egg situation as far as "the right to bear arms" versus the police's use of "deadly force" is concerned. Do armed citizens necessitate routinely armed police who need to act on the spur of the moment when they feel threatened? Or do videos like the one in South Carolina create distrust and make individuals cling to their guns more fiercely under the threat of the police state. Clearly, it is a cyclical thing which serves only to help the gun manufacturers and the politicians in their pockets. Hence why neo-cons always leap to the defense of both the individual gun owner and the police - more guns, more money.

But as far as this video is concerned - the man was unarmed and running away. The video is pretty clear and hence the murder charge. He might even have been charged without the video, just from eyewitness statements and the autopsy. However, the video has saved us another whole round of victim blaming and race-baiting from the American media.

You may also have spelt it as well

[Audax]

The City of Charleston, South Carolina will surely be sued for millions, something this flagrant. It's unbelievable, someone must be hyped up on their own testosterone like a drug; but how can one ever do such a thing? If such an idiotic act is undertaken, dang, he should have shot low. Also, this might not have happened if he had not been alone which is the way it seems to me. Body cams. sure.

I guess all of the adjectives, descriptions are correct, "trigger happy", "twitchy finger", whatever they say.

I guess we will find out about this officer, if he had ever used his gun before in the line of duty and so on.

[Baz]

So the South is going to get even richer with the find of potentially 158 billion barrels worth of oil near Gatwick. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-32229203

Still, might shut the Scots up.

Bet they never get past any planning stages, its the south east.

[Audax]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/bbc-hacked-isis-operational-error-5489298

"BBC hacked by ISIS? 'Operational error' sparks fears as broadcast interruption leaves presenter flustered "

[Amo]

Why police aren't instructed to aim below the belt for such cases is a mystery. 'Head and heart' is fine if the other guy is attacking with a weapon but running away seems wrong.

Police are instructed to target centre of mass. It's a lot more difficult than it sounds to aim at specific parts of the body, especially when the target is legging it away. And even if they could, don't forget there are plenty of arteries below the belt.

[thenodrog]

Blue vein more like.

So anyway answer this, where would you rather be shot? Head, Torso or legs?

[Amo]

So anyway answer this, where would you rather be shot? Head, Torso or legs?

It's irrelevant, there is no concept of 'shoot to disable' for the reasons I've already stated.

If a cop draws his firearm it's with the intention to eliminate the threat. If he wants to use non-lethal force he won't use a gun.

[Audax]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-32347036

Fugitive Iraqi militant leader Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri, who was right-hand man to Iraq's ex-leader Saddam Hussein, has been killed, Iraqi officials say.

They say he died in fighting in Salahuddin province, north of Baghdad. His supporters have denied the claim.

Douri, 72, led the Naqshbandi Order insurgent group, a key force behind the recent rise of Islamic State (IS).

This leader may well still be alive, news reporting is not always good and he was reported killed before. I'm just pointing out, he is very fair complected. So, maybe it is just me, we have an image of how we expect Arabs/Middle Easterners to look but that is a bit of a stereotype.

For another news story, that was curious about the so-called uniform that belonged to Goerring that was going to be auctioned in Plymouth. I read a few news stories on it, I don't see how they could be certain it belonged to a man. Give it to a museum maybe. I don't know.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-devon-32200377

[roverzee]

It's actually "free rein" Tom. I don't want to part of the spelling/grammar police, although it is my day job.

Hence why neo-cons always leap to the defense of both the individual gun owner and the police - more guns, more money.

the video has saved us another whole round of victim blaming and race-baiting from the American media.

It's actually DEFENCE ultrablue.

You used the same spelling as the American media.

[ultrablue]

Thanks. I occasionally get muddled up after years of having to teach American spelling.