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[yoda]

Supporting the countries wounded soldiers is hardly political is it now?

Exactly right Tom, more people need to say it too

As I said he hasn't broken any laws so don't see an issue with it.

Interesting video though, I wouldn't for example as a teacher wear a 'free Palestine' wristband (even though I support the cause) as I don't want my pupils seeing me take an openly political stance on a controversial topic. A larger debate on whether front line public sector workers should openly support causes that are political.

Like Tom says, stop trying to change the focus, what he does in that clip is disgraceful

[Al]

Are the two things not linked

Black hater

I was just picking holes in your warped views Al.

More like warping the views that I express GAV. I am absolutely comfortable with the way that the black people have integrated. It is you who wanted to highlight problems.

[Gav]

Exactly right Tom, more people need to say it too

Like Tom says, stop trying to change the focus, what he does in that clip is disgraceful

He was asked a question by Tom and answered it.

We could all post clips of BNP, EDL, combat 18 and other groups that are just as bad Yoda, it's a silly point really.

[imy9]

Exactly right Tom, more people need to say it too

Like Tom says, stop trying to change the focus, what he does in that clip is disgraceful

I'm not changing the focus. He voiced an opinion (which I don't agree with) but he didn't break a law- end of. Challenge the likes of Chaudry on an intellectual level rather than an emotive one and he would soon shut up.

[Gav]

More like warping the views that I express GAV. I am absolutely comfortable with the way that the black people have integrated. It is you who wanted to highlight problems.

You brought it up Al, I put you straight.

[AllRoverAsia]

The argument is that they are fighting wars overseas and if you give money to them then this could be seen to be potentially supporting a political cause?

I have given money to them in the past but I personally don't wear anything political

Yes correct - and that's why I do it!

[yoda]

The argument is that they are fighting wars overseas and if you give money to them then this could be seen to be potentially supporting a political cause?

I have given money to them in the past but I personally don't wear anything political

That argument is totally flawed, help for heroes is for ex service men and women who have been injured, which the vast, vast majority of people in this country support.

Totally integrated !

you sure about that

[Al]

The vast majority of Muslims in these areas are now 3rd generation and are fully integrated into British society. Just because you live in an area which is populated with people who are the same religion as you does not make you any less integrated.

Yes it does. Integrated means mixed in together. Something that most Muslims do not want to do. Preferring to occupy large areas of the towns that they colonise. It's probably better that way because the two cultures are all but incompatible.

You brought it up Al, I put you straight.

There is nothing straight about what you put. Rather shows an intolerance to black people on your part.

Claiming to "put people straight" is rather arrogant don't you think?

[imy9]

That argument is totally flawed, help for heroes is for ex service men and women who have been injured, which the vast, vast majority of people in this country support.

Totally integrated !

you sure about that

I don't know Yoda, you have made jokes about people suffering from mental illnesses, that's not part of the British way as I see it. Do you need lessons on integration?

Btw if you read the post you would see that I have supported them but I don't openly show support for political causes.

But you know what I'll go back to 'quietly condoning'in the corner as the perception seems to be.

Yes it does. Integrated means mixed in together. Something that most Muslims do not want to do. Preferring to occupy large areas of the towns that they colonise. It's probably better that way because the two cultures are all but incompatible.

There is nothing straight about what you put. Rather shows an intolerance to black people on your part.

So the very many white parts of Britain where there is not a black or brown face for miles, they have integration problems too no?

I am British and a Muslim. There is no clash. Nor is it for the millions in Britain. That's what the evidence suggests and what I see everyday.

[Gav]

There is nothing straight about what you put. Rather shows an intolerance to black people on your part.

Al giving me a lesson on intolerance

You couldn't make it up if you tried

[imy9]

Al giving me a lesson on intolerance

You couldn't make it up if you tried

Edit: You know what enough for one day, fasting is starting to get to me.

[Gav]

I am British and a Muslim. There is no clash. Nor is it for the millions in Britain. That's what the evidence suggests and what I see everyday.

Living in a city like Birmingham, that embraces multiculturalism, gives you a much better insight into the these things than spending most of your life in places like Blackburn and Baxenden.

Thats not even a dig at Yoda or Al, I firmly beleive that, well its not hard to understand really is it.

[Al]

So the very many white parts of Britain where there is not a black or brown face for miles, they have integration problems too no?

That's a stupid argument and you know it. I don't even have to point out why for you to see that. You actually sound as though you have integrated but walk down the Ranges in Blackburn and see the difference.

[yoda]

I don't know Yoda, you have made jokes about people suffering from mental illnesses, that's not part of the British way as I see it. Do you need lessons on integration?

Btw if you read the post you would see that I have supported them but I don't openly show support for political causes.

But you know what I'll go back to 'quietly condoning'in the corner as the perception seems to be.

So the very many white parts of Britain where there is not a black or brown face for miles, they have integration problems too no?

I am British and a Muslim. There is no clash. Nor is it for the millions in Britain. That's what the evidence suggests and what I see everyday.

I did not make a joke about mental illness and you know it, it was an attempt to make something out of it by others.

Help for heroes is not political.

The bit in bold, do you not like others expressing a different opinion, they are not breaking the law after all

[adopted scouser]

Not when it amounts to harassing a Police officer for wearing a help for heroes wrist band, that would be the heroes that stand on the wall to provide the freedom he abuses

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3CXmQhv--0

Should have locked him up, cheeky c*^*.

Try that in Blackburn 25 years ago, he wouldn't do it again.

[T J Hooker]

I take there's no actual news to talk about then, the world must be doin grand on the quiet.

[ultrablue]

So the very many white parts of Britain where there is not a black or brown face for miles, they have integration problems too no?

I am British and a Muslim. There is no clash. Nor is it for the millions in Britain. That's what the evidence suggests and what I see everyday.

Yes Imy9 makes an absurd point but that is because it uses Al's downright stupid definition of intergration. When Al moved out of his previous house, by his definition, his Muslim neighbours were no longer 'intergrated'. They should have immediately upped sticks too and found a new white person to cling to, lest we all think they were colonising us.

It's good to hear someone with firsthand knowledge speak up imy9. It can get depressingly one sided on this forum.

[thenodrog]

Not when it amounts to harassing a Police officer for wearing a help for heroes wrist band, that would be the heroes that stand on the wall to provide the freedom he abuses

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3CXmQhv--0

I'm just off to bed yoda, and now I'm wide awake! .... why tf did you have to wind me up with that clip?

[Tom]

Speaking of racism - I find it utterly disgusting that a couple of days ago in South Carolina 9 black men were killed in a racist attack yet in the Capitol of the state the confederate flag flies full sail (the other flags are at half mast) due to some ridiculous by law.

A flag that symbolises hatred and is a symbol of white supremecy!

[thenodrog]

As I said he hasn't broken any laws so don't see an issue with it.

Interesting video though, I wouldn't for example as a teacher wear a 'free Palestine' wristband (even though I support the cause) as I don't want my pupils seeing me take an openly political stance on a controversial topic. A larger debate on whether front line public sector workers should openly support causes that are political.

And would you wear one if you were in Palestine and Hamas were firing rockets from the bike shed in the playground and then running away simply in order to gain positive PR by drawing in Israeli reprisals and getting your school obliterated? I suggest the sight and sounds of your pupils dead and dying might influence your opinions.

[thenodrog]

Edit: You know what enough for one day, fasting is starting to get to me.

Well don't do it then if it's affecting you adversely. I don't and to date I've managed not to be struck by a lightning bolt directed by some mythical being.

Please have a good read on the subject and don't take the opinions on here as being anywhere near the facts of the matter.

A few posters 'opinions' are agenda driven Mike, with little or no experience of life outside Lancashires boundries

Living in a city like Birmingham, that embraces multiculturalism, gives you a much better insight into the these things than spending most of your life in places like Blackburn and Baxenden.

Really Gav? And how long ago did you leave Lancashire for the delights of cosmopolitan Brum?

[ultrablue]

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/06/21/us/dylann-storm-roof-photos-website-charleston-church-shooting.html?referrer=

As always there were clear warning signs on social media that the shooter in Charleston was ready to act. He posted photos that should have flagged him up to authorities. His manifesto was also there for all to see.

Meanwhile, it didn't get much attention, but US authorities arrested a man in Ohio when he tried to buy an AK47. They got him after what he posted on facebook.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/245644-ohio-man-arrested-on-isis-charges

It seems in the eyes of the US authorities, one of them is a violent extremist intent on killing Americans. The other is a mislead, mentally ill young man who must have had some traumatic childhood.

[thenodrog]

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/06/21/us/dylann-storm-roof-photos-website-charleston-church-shooting.html?referrer=

As always there were clear warning signs on social media that the shooter in Charleston was ready to act. He posted photos that should have flagged him up to authorities. His manifesto was also there for all to see.

Meanwhile, it didn't get much attention, but US authorities arrested a man in Ohio when he tried to buy an AK47. They got him after what he posted on facebook.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/245644-ohio-man-arrested-on-isis-charges

It seems in the eyes of the US authorities, one of them is a violent extremist intent on killing Americans. The other is a mislead, mentally ill young man who must have had some traumatic childhood.

Both are nutcases that the world would be far better off without.

[Gav]

Really Gav? And how long ago did you leave Lancashire for the delights of cosmopolitan Brum?

I don't live in Birmingham Gordon, but the same could be said for most major cities, it's us folk that live in one place all our lives that are missing out.

[ultrablue]

Both are nutcases that the world would be far better off without.

Obviously, but despite both of them being US citizens, one was the target of a myriad of federal and local surveillance programs. The other was not.

Very interesting article with a pretty convincing argument.

http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2013/07/muslim-american-surveillance-new-york