[Archived] Rovers v Millwall: Ewood Park - December 14th, KO - 3pm

[Parsonblue]

I'm not too fussed, to be honest. Had Drog said "Rhodes put in a decent shift" and left it at that, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. However, he couldn't resist taking a swipe at him even when giving credit where it was due. Rhodes has more good games than bad ones. That's why he's a 20+ goal a season striker. That doesn't stop people like Drog scapegoating him for not being the complete player whenever we lose a game.

You don't watch many Rovers games do you Amarillo? Rhodes has had some shocking games this season. On Saturday he looked better because he was more physical in his approach but his game has a number of weaknesses which hopefully he will address.

[Amo]

You don't watch many Rovers games do you Amarillo? Rhodes has had some shocking games this season.

I don't think I've argued otherwise, Parson. The point is that Drog has no place criticizing people for "scapegoating" Jason Lowe when he's equally as guilty of doing the same with Rhodes of all people.

[Rover_Shaun]

So in conclusion it's a "nodrog in hypocrite shocker!" ?

[Jimmy612]

So in conclusion it's a "nodrog in hypocrite shocker!" ?

More of an ''Amo in over reaction shocker!''

[Stuart]

More of an ''Amo in over reaction shocker!''

Is this going to become your M.O.?

[Majiball]

I got a really nice bowl of soup for lunch today, what did everyone else have?

[ABBEY]

I got a really nice bowl of soup for lunch today, what did everyone else have?

Salad !!!!

[Majiball]

Salad !!!!

That's a great healthy option ABB's well done mate, what did everyone else have?

I fancy a good old ploughmans tomorrow!

[rossyrover]

You don't watch many Rovers games do you Amarillo? Rhodes has had some shocking games this season. On Saturday he looked better because he was more physical in his approach but his game has a number of weaknesses which hopefully he will address.

One of his main weakness is he score goals and I thought thats what strikers get paid for 29 last season 12 so far this and I have watched every Rovers home game since Rhodes arrived.

[Tom]

That post makes no sense

And I would guess Parson has seen pretty much every game home and away since he came

[thenodrog]

It's also widely acknowledged that Jason Lowe brings very little to the side, yet you defend him to the hilt whilst continuing to single Rhodes out whenever we have a bad result.

You want a medal for stating the obvious?

Is that necessarily the fault of Rhodes or a wider problem with the team? It's proven if you give Jordan the service he'll score. If he hasn't kept up his end of the bargain, that suggests the rest of the side hasn't kept up theirs.

Floundering.

[JBiz]

I don't think you could describe any of Rhodes appearances as "shocking". I think that would be well unfair, considering he has scored a hatful again and has to play up top on his own every week.

Some of Todd Kanes displays have been shocking, hence being dropped. Hanleys sending off which cost the game away at wigan was shocking...but Jordan - has being a mixture of average and sublime.

IMO ofcourse

[Jimmy612]

That post makes no sense

And I would guess Parson has seen pretty much every game home and away since he came

There's also varying degrees of watching.

My mum could watch football and occasionally (and really annoyingly) say 'ooh that was a good one' whenever a goal goes in. Doesn't mean she understands what really is going on. Parson has a good knowledge and understanding of football, I can tell that from his posts.

Others maybe don't share this ability to understand the game.

So all this tittle tattle about 'I go to every game' is IMO a little remiss unless you have an understanding of the game to go with it. I would put those fans that are incapable of seeing even one flaw in Rhodes game within that category personally. And I've only watched him about 7 times this season and according to Stuart that isn't enough.

[JBiz]

There's also varying degrees of watching.

My mum could watch football and occasionally (and really annoyingly) say 'ooh that was a good one' whenever a goal goes in. Doesn't mean she understands what really is going on. Parson has a good knowledge and understanding of football, I can tell that from his posts.

Others maybe don't share this ability to understand the game.

So all this tittle tattle about 'I go to every game' is IMO a little remiss unless you have an understanding of the game to go with it. I would put those fans that are incapable of seeing even one flaw in Rhodes game within that category personally. And I've only watched him about 7 times this season and according to Stuart that isn't enough.

My gran - never enjoyed a game of football in her life - could tell you his main weakness.... PACE

[den]

You're not far wrong there Mr Jbizzle.

[thenodrog]

...but Jordan - has being a mixture of average and sublime.

IMO ofcourse

I quite agree and especially if you include the word 'anonymous'.

I rem the diminutive genius (and that is not said lightly) Bryan Douglas once saying that he always jumped for headers with the defender and harried them as much as he was able, not that he was ever likely to win much but rather to hurry a defender and force him to make a clearence rather than a pass upfield.

We named a stand after him.

[Stuart]

And I've only watched him about 7 times this season and according to Stuart that isn't enough.

Is that so?

[Jimmy612]

Is that so?

Yep, about 7 or 8.

Funny how my opinions on him seem to coincide with people that I would perceive as genuinely knowledgeable on football, Parson, Jim, Drog, FG, Den etc.

Funnily enough I'd recognised the flaws in Rhodes play by about Christmas last year - you still seem not to have noticed them. And seeing as you have clearly sat through more games than me I would be interested to know why not?

All you seem to chirp on about are 'they are not this sides biggest problems'... and? How many of our other bigger problems have cost us £8m and £35kpw? Which of our other problems often split opinion and provoke debate on this message board? Perhaps Lowe's contributions?

No-one is saying it's our biggest problem, but the fact is, it can and has become a problem.

Anyway you're being deliberately obtuse now and have offered nothing to this debate for quite some time other than pompous comments about people being glad when he's gone. Did you decide to ignore the short paragraph I posted yesterday which summed up my feelings on the matter and also clarified that I would not want Rhodes to leave, or did you ignore it because it put to bed your ludicrous theory that we want to chase him out of the club?

[Stuart]

The "is that so" was the fact that you have quoted something that I did not say. I never mentioned the number of games you've been to, nor do I care. I simply said that to have a valid opinion about Rhodes' performance against Millwall then you obviously have to have seen it. Nothing obtuse about that.

I get this a lot though, Jimmy. I respond at times to the general opinions of the board and occasionally I'll use one post to do so. So that one poster gets all uppity. Just because YOU have said you wouldn't want him to leave doesn't mean that the argument from that side of the debate has changed at all. However, if it's any consolation, I too have pointed out my position and that has been ignored several times.

Perhaps I am guilty of a petulant post or two on the matter but it's simply through frustration at the way our best player is treated with such distain at a time when we have one of the poorest squads we've ever had (for all the endeavour).

You don't want him to leave, I'll honestly be gutted when he does.

By the way, I strongly disagree with this.

No-one is saying it's our biggest problem, but the fact is, it can and has become a problem.

Plus the fact that this thread is bubbling just below the pinned threads after every match suggest that a lot of people DO see this as our biggest problem.

Our biggest problem is not having a leader anywhere in the squad, let alone where we need one in the centre of midfield. Lowe is occupying that spot, which is part of why he comes in for stick. The MoM awards he gets are bullshit and seem to be because of the player he may become rather than the player he is.

[thenodrog]

Perhaps I am guilty of a petulant post or two on the matter but it's simply through frustration at the way our best player is treated with such distain at a time when we have one of the poorest squads we've ever had (for all the endeavour).

Constructive criticism is not disdain.

[Stuart]

Constructive criticism is not disdain.

It is when you single one person our for criticism when others aren't treated in the same way. It's like a witch hunt.

But more oddly, we seem to have a weird Lowe-Rhodes paradox (#you take the high roads#, yeah, yeah) where other players are strangely immune.

[thenodrog]

It is when you single one person our for criticism when others aren't treated in the same way. It's like a witch hunt.

But more oddly, we seem to have a weird Lowe-Rhodes paradox (#you take the high roads#, yeah, yeah) where other players are strangely immune.

As I've said constructive criticism does no harm. It's the irrational sort based on ignorance and whispering campaigns that winds me up.

[Rover_Shaun]

Imagine the shredding Garner would have get from the internet witch hunters?

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

I only had to see him play once to realise that he was seriously one paced. Does that make me smart or a witch finder ? I'll give you a clue - my eyes aren't painted on.

[Stuart]