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[Guest Norbert]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-25894192

Well that is hardly going to improve the image is it?

[yoda]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-25894192

Well that is hardly going to improve the image is it?

Not for Birmingham, no

[thenodrog]

"a tiny fraction", Slight exaggeration me thinks! and how much of that beer(and other alcoholic drinks) is bought from local shops, spars, petrol stations, off licenses. etc... that are run and/or owned by Asian people that are largely relying on alcohol sales to get people into their shops.

No it isn't. 50% of Blackburn citizens won't drink beer for religious reasons, 50% of the remainder cos they are female, many now drink wine, many imported lagers, a significant %age don't drink anyway, and 20% of the remainder are children. Not many left applying those mathematics I'd suggest. Have a go TJ and put your own figures in if you like and tell me whether you still think that I am exaggerating.

Blackburn now prob has a similar population of beer drinkers that Darwen had 40 years ago. Other northern towns will reflect that change and I know Duttons and Lion has gone from the town so as far as brewing around here is concerned something has to give.

[thenodrog]

It's more jobs in the area destroyed. It doesn't appear to bother you though Gordon. Being redundant is no fun.

Your point is irrelevant. Basic economics will rule the situation. If the market diminishes then the supply has to.

Al Instead of moaning about effects you should spend your time addressing the causes and writing to the people really to blame e.g. the govt for taxing UK produced beer so highly and allowing floods of muslims to settle in enclaves, the supermarkets for flogging imported wine and lager as loss leaders, the breweries for rogering tenants. There's plenty to go at. Maybe UKIP might be a good starting point for you as I'm sure they'll lend the sympathetic ear that the mainstream parties wont.

btw I was made redundant once..... stood me in good stead too, a great kick up the arse it was an incentive not to allow it to happen again.` People should learn to turn their misfortunes around and use them to self motivate instead of whingeing and whining about their lot.

[thenodrog]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-25894192

Well that is hardly going to improve the image is it?

Not for Birmingham, no

Is it time to now merge this thread with the 'Hang em high' thread?

[yoda]

Your point is irrelevant. Basic economics will rule the situation. If the market diminishes then the supply has to.

Al Instead of moaning about effects you should spend your time addressing the causes and writing to the people really to blame e.g. the govt for taxing UK produced beer so highly and allowing floods of muslims to settle in enclaves, the supermarkets for flogging imported wine and lager as loss leaders, the breweries for rogering tenants. There's plenty to go at. Maybe UKIP might be a good starting point for you as I'm sure they'll lend the sympathetic ear that the mainstream parties wont.

btw I was made redundant once..... stood me in good stead too, a great kick up the arse it was an incentive not to allow it to happen again.` People should learn to turn their misfortunes around and use them to self motivate instead of whingeing and whining about their lot.

Correct, who moved my cheese should be compulsory reading for anyone in a job and anyone losing a job

[T.J.Newton]

No it isn't. 50% of Blackburn citizens won't drink beer for religious reasons, 50% of the remainder cos they are female, many now drink wine, many imported lagers, a significant %age don't drink anyway, and 20% of the remainder are children. Not many left applying those mathematics I'd suggest. Have a go TJ and put your own figures in if you like and tell me whether you still think that I am exaggerating.

Blackburn now prob has a similar population of beer drinkers that Darwen had 40 years ago. Other northern towns will reflect that change and I know Duttons and Lion has gone from the town so as far as brewing around here is concerned something has to give.

hahaha your so pathetic, arrogant and deluded, its beyond sad.

[adopted scouser]

hahaha your so pathetic, arrogant and deluded, its beyond sad.

I can't let you get away with that.

"You're" and "It's"

[T.J.Newton]

i'm so embarrassed and ashamed of myself for those mistakes , i'll now struggle to get to sleep tonight

[adopted scouser]

i'm so embarrassed and ashamed of myself for those mistakes , i'll now struggle to get to sleep tonight

Now you're pushing the boat out, a lower case 'i' at the beginning of a sentence.

[T.J.Newton]

[thenodrog]

hahaha your so pathetic, arrogant and deluded, its beyond sad.

I put a reasoned point forward and you respond in that pathetic manner? Then I see you resort to childish posts like the one immediately above. I can only assume that you've been out on the p1ss today.

[T.J.Newton]

There's is no 'reasoning' with people like you, you will always just move the goalposts or dream up some more bs from your bitter, deluded mind.

Oh! And theres no pretense with me, ive never claimed or made out that I am particularly intellectual in any way and I usually always hold my hands up when im wrong.

[ABBEY]

TJ cheers .. Just spat my coffee out

[T.J.Newton]

[Al]

Your point is irrelevant. Basic economics will rule the situation. If the market diminishes then the supply has to.

Al Instead of moaning about effects you should spend your time addressing the causes and writing to the people really to blame e.g. the govt for taxing UK produced beer so highly and allowing floods of muslims to settle in enclaves, the supermarkets for flogging imported wine and lager as loss leaders, the breweries for rogering tenants. There's plenty to go at. Maybe UKIP might be a good starting point for you as I'm sure they'll lend the sympathetic ear that the mainstream parties wont.

btw I was made redundant once..... stood me in good stead too, a great kick up the arse it was an incentive not to allow it to happen again.` People should learn to turn their misfortunes around and use them to self motivate instead of whingeing and whining about their lot.

What the @#/? was all that about. You obviously don't care that 60 people are about to lose their jobs. I care but there is @#/? all I can do about it. It must be a big responsibility for you to be an expert on absolutely everything Gordon.

[thenodrog]

Allright if you don't understand the written word then let me make it simple for you Al. Answer me this..... how long can a brewer produce large quantities of beer if not enough are drinking it?

Tell you what, why don't you open a brewery and employ those 60 specialised and highly trained people? If it's that simple you can't go wrong.

[Al]

Allright if you don't understand the written word then let me make it simple for you Al. Answer me this..... how long can a brewer produce large quantities of beer if not enough are drinking it?

Tell you what, why don't you open a brewery and employ those 60 specialised and highly trained people? If it's that simple you can't go wrong.

You know as well as I do that Thwaites are probably going to move elsewhere and are not probably losing money. It's your couldn't care less and arrogant attitude that I can't stand. Stop attention seeking.

[ultrablue]

I got some of thwaites' 'Crafty Dan' range in a gift set for Christmas. Very good they were too.

[thenodrog]

You know as well as I do that Thwaites are probably going to move elsewhere and are not probably losing money. It's your couldn't care less and arrogant attitude that I can't stand.

Lots of 'probablys' there Al.

imo we should be thanking Thwaites for financially supporting the town and it's citizens for over 2 centuries. You must agree Al that Thwaites have played a blinder for this town?

Now I dont know the intentions of the board at Thwaites but lets turn the coin over and imagine the fillips, enticements and financial promises a business employing hundreds and paying business rates on numerous properties could extricate from any council (plus serious development funding from Europe) should they offer to re-locate in any town or city in Europe. The poorer the area the more grant they'll be offered and the cheaper and more grateful the workforce will be. Councils will sell their souls to attract such and all the while money grabbing and penalising existing businesses currently within their Boroughs to fund it. Just think.... re-locate to brand new, custom built premises, halve the workforce through modern, faster more efficient and more hygienic production techniques, accept a 25 year peppercorn rate package and trouser a massive european development grant in the process.

Result is cheaper production a chance to be more competative for the larger buyers, plus more profitable and more importantly the chance to stay in the business for many years in the future. Not much of a decisision to make is it? Yet this sort of thing has been going on for years. If you don't like it don't write to me just write to your MP and MEP instead. Businesses don't make these rules but they'd be foolish not to play to them.

[Al]

Lots of 'probablys' there Al.

It's probably right then.

[Al]

Lots of 'probablys' there Al.

imo we should be thanking Thwaites for financially supporting the town and it's citizens for over 2 centuries. You must agree Al that Thwaites have played a blinder for this town?

Now I dont know the intentions of the board at Thwaites but lets turn the coin over and imagine the fillips, enticements and financial promises a business employing hundreds and paying business rates on numerous properties could extricate from any council (plus serious development funding from Europe) should they offer to re-locate in any town or city in Europe. The poorer the area the more grant they'll be offered and the cheaper and more grateful the workforce will be. Councils will sell their souls to attract such and all the while money grabbing and penalising existing businesses currently within their Boroughs to fund it. Just think.... re-locate to brand new, custom built premises, halve the workforce through modern, faster more efficient and more hygienic production techniques, accept a 25 year peppercorn rate package and trouser a massive european development grant in the process.

Result is cheaper production a chance to be more competative for the larger buyers, plus more profitable and more importantly the chance to stay in the business for many years in the future. Not much of a decisision to make is it? Yet this sort of thing has been going on for years. If you don't like it don't write to me just write to your MP and MEP instead. Businesses don't make these rules but they'd be foolish not to play to them.

[Al]

I don't write to you. You shove your nose in and pretend to be an expert on any subject under the sun. I'm tired of your attention seeking and will try to resist replying to your crap in the future as it just encourages you to be all over this messageboard, therefore ruining it for the proper members.

[thenodrog]

I don't write to you. You shove your nose in and pretend to be an expert on any subject under the sun. I'm tired of your attention seeking and will try to resist replying to your crap in the future as it just encourages you to be all over this messageboard, therefore ruining it for the proper members.

You just did... and you keep on doing it!

I give my opinion as you give yours Al. All I've done is present what I believe is the other side of the headline. If you want to come over all Kier Hardyish and retire to your tap room with the rest of your disgruntled mates and draw the curtains on the outside world whilst it p;asses you by then that is up to you.

In the meantime would you care to offer your opinion on why Thwaites have made this decision? No emotive claptrap please.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Generally speaking businesses can survive if they move with the times. An emphasis on green and a campaign against using paper has forced newspapers to replace lost profit by providing downloadable subscriptions. Heinz could probably survive just by selling ketchup but they also compete with those specialist sauces you get on the shelves these days.

Wainwright is quite well exposed considering. But I can't think of any other brew from Thwaites that shows up down here. All production businesses are naturally cutting jobs due to a lesser demand for their product. Perhaps the only way to negate that is to come up with new products and new ideas. The whole range of cask ales and subsequent demand for them came to the fore a few years ago. As a top brewer they maybe need to come up with something new.

Maybe if they even tried an online shop with gift sets like Bowland Brewery.

What do you mean " production businesses are cutting jobs " ? The economy's booming , didn't you hear Georgie boy today ? Or don't you believe him ?