[Archived] Nottingham Forest vs. Rovers - Saturday 18th January 2014

[Hasta]

Bowyer needs to realise a win and a defeat is better than 2 draws.

[rovers11]

not if we want to progress

You don't think we've made progress this season?

We'd all love to win every game and be top of the league but we have to be realistic. GB is trying to rebuild and I think doing a very good job of it. What realistically more could we have expected this season? Please enlighten me.

[Majiball]

you weren't quoting me?

As he replied stating words that I did not say, nor imply, I just assumed it was you using a pseudonym as you weren't on the registered users at the time he was.

[thenodrog]

Everythings great at Rovers!!!!!!! We have chickens!!!! We have snowballs!!!! I am now a Rovers Fan!!!

Kean that.

I've been saying it for weeks FATIQUE is setting in, Theno will back that up as he questioned it.

Some players need a rest.

Dont Forest's players suffer that?

There might have been a case of 'after the Lord Mayor's show' about today but fatigue my arse.

and yet there is people happy with Lowe. we have 2 players, who dont do anything in defence, neither is any good with the ball going forward, and yet Bowyer persists with them. if we lose 4-1 with 2 defensive midfielders, then why the need to have them in the 1st place? we might as well play Cairney and Dunn in central midfield, move Marshall to right back, and bring King onto the right wing with Rhodes and Gestede up front. we can blame the ref all we want, but if we score goals, and we put the opposition on the back foot, then things are different. i would really like to know, what it is, with Bowyer and his love for Lowe, and 2 fecking DF midfielders

Odd.... you don't name Williamson and even odder you don't apportion any blame to Henley and BearHead.

[somersetrover]

On the first of two trains back now after an absolutely abysmal performance, I've never been convinced by Bowyer and today has confirmed that Forest were there for the taking today without any of Wilson, Hobbs and Lascelles at the back. So why Bowyer went with a 5 in midfield with two defensive midfielders (which is at least what Lowe is meant to be) is beyond me with , if your going to play 5 in midfield (which I don't like as it invites pressure on particularly away and leaves the 1 up top isolated) at least play Dunn to give the striker some support. When he brought Rhodes and took Gestede off, it really summed up his negativity as a manager. Particularly when Gestede struggled on his own as he was so isolated, Jordan was unlikely to do any better but together they would probably have caused Forest 4th and 5th choice centre backs some problems.

Also how by now Bowyer how can't see Cairney is a natural central midfielder simply defies belief, he ran the game in there at Leeds where Lee Williamson who with out Jason 'Useless' Lowe in his way also had a very good game. I just have no idea what Jason Lowe brings to the team and why Bowyer sees him as un droppable.

Lessons learnt today:
Eastwood is poor, does not command the defence at all, we need Robbo back.

Dann is a complete donkey with the ball, hoofs it to no-one all the time. I wouldn't be unhappy to see him go.

Surely no-one still wants King to play,he is total headless chicken.

We're badly missing Evans quality in the midfield.

Refs in this league are a joke. Rovers players wrestled to the ground more than once in their box.

Cairney is wasted out wide (as we already knew)

Dunn is a cut above the rest, if he is fit he should start.

Eastwood may indeed be poor but he didn't make any errors today and made several good saves.

Dann a donkey I think that you have got him confused with the useless, brainless oaf he plays centre back with, who gets an easy time of the fans (unlike Dann) due to him coming up through the ranks. Scott Dann is easily our best centre back and twice the player that Hanley is, we will be a much weaker team if he leaves.

[bluefred]

consistency maybe

read somerset he was at the game

[chaddyrovers]

I watched the game online today.

the first penalty wasn't a penalty IMO. Hanley didn't nothing wrong and Lansbury took the dive for the pen decision of the ref.

Second Penalty was right and Henley was poor for given the foul away.

Marshall was probably Rovers best player and took his goal very well. good finish by him

second half, Rovers had the best spell the first 20 minutes of the second half and we have 2 great chances to score. both by Spurr. first chance was a good save from Forest keeper Darlow and second chance Spurr headed it over the bar from around 8 yards.

Forest 3rd goal was good skill by Paterson by Rovers didn't close him down quickly enough outside the box. Forest 4th goal was a good striker by Reid but we didn't close down quickly enough but we were playing with 10 men cos of Dann hand/wrist injury.

Eastwood WASNT at fault for any of the goals today and made some good saves.

I thought the team that Bowyer was good but Cairney should be playing in centre mid/number 10 role today with Taylor wide right. I don't think that Williamson should be starting games for us. I think Lowe and Cairney partnership is the best one we got till Evans is back fit and ready to start games.

I still think Bowyer is the right manager for us and is doing a good job of rebuilding this team and club after the last 2 and half years before this season.Gary Bowyer at the end of the game having a go at the referee then claps the fans for chanting the referees a keaner.

I think Forest are quality team and will get that second automatic spot for promotion

[DE.]

As he replied stating words that I did not say, nor imply, I just assumed it was you using a pseudonym as you weren't on the registered users at the time he was.

Don't worry, if you say something I consider ridiculous I'll post a response under my one and only username, as I always have. As it stands I agree that fatigue probably did play a part today, though I'm not sure it's accumulative over the course of weeks, but more likely to be a hangover from the game midweek. I'd expect us to look much sharper against Derby.

[glen9mullan]

We didn't turn up first half , first penalty was never a penalty ,although Eastwood should of saved it , seemed to go through him like he was transparent , second one was just shocking from Henley who had a very poor game and a stone wall penalty .

Second half we were much better but third goal killed us, again in think Eastwood should of done better with it .

Team look drained today , very predictable and I think rather than take Gestede off , Bowyer should of put Rhodes up there with him .

Disappointed on the whole , Forrest looked a much better side .

Bowyer was clearly annoyed with referee and went straight on the pitch and straight upto him after the match , when applauding supporters after the game , gestured to the fans as if to say the referee was shocking. ,

Oh well stopping over so , will drown ones sorrows in the clubs :-)

[bluefred]

I think forrest will be lucky to get in the playoffs , but that's just my view

[Silas]

An absurd penalty, a very well taken dribbled goal, and a screamer smashed in the 95th minute have made the game and performance look far worse than it actually was and triggered the standard overreactions.

No doubt, Forest deserved the win and were a cut above us pretty much throughout, which poses the question of how we would actually get past a meeting with a team like them even if we did make the play-offs.

But Derby next week is the real test, and I still see no reason why we can't succeed in that fixture. Which would keep play-off hopes alive and the play-offs are a total lottery and quite often league form ends up having absolutely no bearing, so who knows. Don't get all the misery.

Consistency keeps getting mentioned over and over. Our last 11 league games have resulted in 5 wins, 3 draws, 3 losses. With 2 of those losses being away matches to teams that are considered top 6 contenders in Forest and Ipswich. Sorry, but on paper that has to be seen as consistent form whichever way you look at it.

[Roverthechimp]

Our 2 defensive midfielders SHOULD be balanced up by our 3 more attacking midfielders - today that just didn't happen. A number of horrendous "suicide" passes, a seeming lack of pace/energy and a Forest team that pressed hard made us look like what we are - a work in progress. Special mention to the ref for a dodgy penalty and not sending off Vaughan but no ignoring the fact that the better team (on the day) won.

[Waggy76]

I think lowe and williamson play together because the centre backs leave a lot to be desired....

Bowyer has twigged this and his trying to protect them instead of taking the game to our opponents...

Also we need a keeper if Robbo aint gong to play !

[CapeTownRover]

Dont Forest's players suffer that?There might have been a case of 'after the Lord Mayor's show' about today but fatigue my arse. Odd.... you don't name Williamson and even odder you don't apportion any blame to Henley and BearHead.

odd? i didnt have to mention Williamson by name, as i did say we have 2 defensive midfielders who are poor and shouldnt be playing. Henley had a poor game yes, and Hanley, well Hanley is Hanley, but far too often, its that 2 DF midfielders which does nothing in front of the back 4, that is causing issues. why lose 4-1 Gord, with 2 defensive midfielders, when we could have lost say 4-3 with an attacking line up. while the 4-3 would still represent a loss, its at least gives us a better chance, instead of sitting back, and letting the opposition play and push us around.

[bluefred]

agreed

[CapeTownRover]

I think lowe and williamson play together because the centre backs leave a lot to be desired......

you joking right Waggy? Lowe and Williamson might as well not be there, and even if the 2 center halves leave alot to be desired, those 2 will not solve that issue

[bluefred]

we are @#/? get over it

[Waggy76]

you joking right Waggy? Lowe and Williamson might as well not be there, and even if the 2 center halves leave alot to be desired, those 2 will not solve that issue[/quot

I did say trying ,

[EWOODACE1]

Watched it. Easy on the eye at times. Some nice inter passing but still soft as s***t away from home.4-1 flattered Forest big time.

I've been saying that about a few of our losses but I'm starting to realise its because we can't defend for ship. 90% of our goals are down to shambolic defending. It's rare that I feel someone has scored a really good goal against us.

We play too deep and our backbone is weak in dann, Hanley, Lowe and Williamson. We rarely see anyone get in behind our defence when we play a high line as most championship sides play with a strong forward and don't have much pace.

At ewood when we play a high line in the first half we always look the more threatening team. Let their battering ram win a header 50 yards from goal. We mop up and then attack. Then every 2nd half we sit deep and then their forward is effective.

I wish bowyer would do what some managers did a few years ago and watch the first half from the stands. He would see it better I think and learn more about what needs doing

[Majiball]

Dont Forest's players suffer that?

There might have been a case of 'after the Lord Mayor's show' about today but fatigue my arse.

Odd.... you don't name Williamson and even odder you don't apportion any blame to Henley and BearHead.

Alright smartarse, I didn't ask your opinion merely to confirm I'd mentioned it previously.

Google it, activity pattern soccer high intensity running, have fun reading all the abstracts. If you find a good one make sure you read it through and ensure the method is strong and without holes.

[tomphil]

I think lowe and williamson play together because the centre backs leave a lot to be desired....

Bowyer has twigged this and his trying to protect them instead of taking the game to our opponents...

Also we need a keeper if Robbo aint gong to play !

And the stats say something like 1 complete tackle between them. For me that's pish, it's been tried and tested so many times and mostly failed so it's time for something new i reckon.

[Majiball]

Don't worry, if you say something I consider ridiculous I'll post a response under my one and only username, as I always have. As it stands I agree that fatigue probably did play a part today, though I'm not sure it's accumulative over the course of weeks, but more likely to be a hangover from the game midweek. I'd expect us to look much sharper against Derby.

Xmas period with a match against City twice thrown in and little squad rotation, think of the city matches as the final cup of water that causes the bucket to overflow. Easily recoverable in 7 days as this is the first such match so it just started overflowing, we'll find out on Sat.

PS I don't believe you :P

[Neal]

Lost in Nottingham so though I'd give my opinions...

Bowyer got it wrong... Again. Cairney was wasted out wide again, everything good that happened was when he drifted inside. If you're of the opinion that it's ok playing him there then you're just plain wrong. There's no debate about it, he being wasted and Bowyer is wrong.

Secondly Scott Dann is the worst centre half since Darren Peakock. If someone wants to give us actual real money to buy him then we're the luckiest sods in the world. Eastwood made a class save out of the top corner and Dann boll*cked him for not catching it! No wonder keepers are having confidence issues. I'll drive him to Crystal Palace, garbage.

Henley is not man enough for this league, didn't stop one single cross. Fair play, the lad Paterson is a good player but he was no where near him. A right back needs bringing in.

Worst referee performance I've seen for some time, first penalty was a disgrace though Henleys' was a definite. They were dragging our players by their shirts and holding on every throw in, corner and set peice & gave nothing. Joke.

[thenodrog]

Google it, activity pattern soccer high intensity running, have fun reading all the abstracts. If you find a good one make sure you read it through and ensure the method is strong and without holes.

No thanks. I can't be arsed... Lifes to short cos it'll only have been written by some airy fairy theorist whose never kicked a ball in his born days.

[tomphil]

Lost in Nottingham so though I'd give my opinions...

Bowyer got it wrong... Again. Cairney was wasted out wide again, everything good that happened was when he drifted inside. If you're of the opinion that it's ok playing him there then you're just plain wrong. There's no debate about it, he being wasted and Bowyer is wrong.

Secondly Scott Dann is the worst centre half since Darren Peakock. If someone wants to give us actual real money to buy him then we're the luckiest sods in the world. Eastwood made a class save out of the top corner and Dann boll*cked him for not catching it! No wonder keepers are having confidence issues. I'll drive him to Crystal Palace, garbage.

Henley is not man enough for this league, didn't stop one single cross. Fair play, the lad Paterson is a good player but he was no where near him. A right back needs bringing in.

Worst referee performance I've seen for some time, first penalty was a disgrace though Henleys' was a definite. They were dragging our players by their shirts and holding on every throw in, corner and set peice & gave nothing. Joke.

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