[Archived] Nottingham Forest vs. Rovers - Saturday 18th January 2014

[Amo]

It's weird how one week Bowyer throws the kitchen sink against Leeds, and lo and behold we win, then the next it's back to the banal, defeatist tactics of old. The way I see it, anything we get away from home is a bonus, and since it's been proven that this team can't grind out results on the road, we might as well go all-out for the win. Sure, we might end up on the end of a spanking, but what's the difference tonight?

[Doug]

  On 18/01/2014 at 17:44, Stuart said:

Williamson isn't a great CM, he's just better than Lowe.

[thenodrog]

  On 18/01/2014 at 18:36, Amarillo said:

It's weird how one week Bowyer throws the kitchen sink against Leeds, and lo and behold we win, then the next it's back to the banal, defeatist tactics of old. The way I see it, anything we get away from home is a bonus, and since it's been proven that this team can't grind out results on the road, we might as well go all-out for the win. Sure, we might end up on the end of a spanking, but what's the difference tonight?

err...... About 75 miles.

[Majiball]

  On 18/01/2014 at 18:34, thenodrog said:

No thanks. I can't be arsed... Lifes to short cos it'll only have been written by some airy fairy theorist whose never kicked a ball in his born days.

But there is nothing theoretical about the activity profile of a match, it's fact garnered from the analysis of 1,000's of matches at all levels.

The joy of Pro-zone.

[den]

Lot's of comments about the balance of the central midfield pairing, but changing that isn't going to make us better defensively. It's more down to quality than balance. Both of 'em are poor.

[thenodrog]

  On 18/01/2014 at 18:40, Majiball said:

But there is nothing theoretical about the activity profile of a match, it's fact garnered from the analysis of 1,000's of matches at all levels..... By lots of spotty face anoraks.

Finished it for you maj.

[Rover_Shaun]

Taking goal difference into account we are 5 points off the play offs. 2 wins

[thenodrog]

  On 18/01/2014 at 18:45, Blue and White Army said:

Taking goal difference into account we are 5 points off the play offs. 2 wins

Against Forest and Derby should do it....... Oh wait...

[Amo]

  On 18/01/2014 at 18:38, thenodrog said:

err...... About 75 miles.

[Majiball]

  On 18/01/2014 at 18:44, thenodrog said:

Finished it for you maj.

Aye they definitely are the spotty faced anoraks of football, we can agree on that.

[Rover_Shaun]

Jan

Derby H

Barnsely A

Feb

Blackpool H

Boro A

Brighton H

Reading A

Possibly 4/6 points from that from the Barnsley and Blackpool games

[Derbyshire Blue]

  On 18/01/2014 at 16:56, Leonard Venkhater said:

Watched it. Easy on the eye at times. Some nice inter passing but still soft as s***t away from home.4-1 flattered Forest big time.[/quote

Agree big time... Shouldn't have taken Gastede off

[CapeTownRover]

i dont know exactly Maj, what you and Gordon are on about, but im guessing its got to do with fitness levels of pro football players? to me is nonsense anyway which ever way you look at, and from what ever angle the argument is coming from. We use to play on a Saturday and a Sunday in amateur leagues for 90 mins, and if we had to, we would play the Monday as well. like i said, these are pro footballers, and have at their disposal the best dieticians, trainers and equipment, and they are tired having played on the Wednesday and then on a Saturday? so i dont understand why anybody would use tiredness as an excuse.

[Rover_Shaun]

So Maj is saying Bowyer doesn't get the payers fit enough?

[Neal]

  On 18/01/2014 at 18:43, den said:

Lot's of comments about the balance of the central midfield pairing, but changing that isn't going to make us better defensively. It's more down to quality than balance. Both of 'em are poor.

It's not about that, it's about retaining possession. Forest retained possession better than us & ultimately won the game. Neither of those 2 can keep hold of it, Cairney can and did in the 2nd half and we looked a different team. Playing him out there affects the whole balance of the midfield.

[darrenrover]

  On 18/01/2014 at 17:45, bluefred said:

on a lighter note 13 more points should see us safe

That could conceivably be 23 which would be a worry.

[den]

  On 18/01/2014 at 19:01, Neal said:

It's not about that, it's about retaining possession. Forest retained possession better than us & ultimately won the game. Neither of those 2 can keep hold of it.

Yeah, better players retain possession. Not saying balance isn't important, but it's not as important as class.

[Majiball]

  On 18/01/2014 at 19:00, Blue and White Army said:

So Maj is saying Bowyer doesn't get the payers fit enough?

Not that isn't what I said. I said it's fact the majority of footballers (so the whole sport not just rovers) aren't fit for purpose. In other sports you see an increase over time in the load, so a marathon runner or a cyclist, even a tennis player can still and does increase his physical activity over time. In football you see the reverse, there is more high intensity running 1st half to 2nd half, the intensity is lower (heart rate, so lower equals working less), this info was garnered from lots of matches so is a generic issue. It's like a tour de france rider not sprinting or upping his speed in the last section of the race (very common). All the evidence points to one thing, they are not fit enough. It could be attributed to the structure of the season, 10 months on 2 months off, most players don't really look after themselves during the offseason. So you work all year fitness levels improve and are maintained during the season, you then take two months off fitness levels decline, so all you ever really do is get back to where you were. Perhaps it isn't possible to be fit enough to play 90 minutes at the same level of physical output every 3-4 days?

Obviously there are exceptions.

This is why I don't post I write 2 + 2 and then I'm saying all of that and it's Bowyers fault, same with the likes of Den

[Stuart]

  On 18/01/2014 at 18:19, Silas said:

triggered the standard overreactions.

Can you have a standard overreaction?

[ABBEY]

  On 18/01/2014 at 18:02, rovers11 said:

What is the real picture, Abbey? Enlighten me.

You don't think we've made progress this season and are in the mix for the play offs? I don't think we'll make the play offs but we're in the mix.That's the best we could hope for this season.

I appreciate your views but writing `Venkys Scum` or venkys this or venkys that every time you post is not very productive or enlightening. Rovers are bigger than Venkys. We all want the Venkys gone but a. it's not happening and b. we need them to continue to fund us.

if you cant see it then i pity you.

Are they scum yes or no?

fund us ?I want them to f off and let us start again .if thats in conference or below then so be it.

  On 18/01/2014 at 19:00, Blue and White Army said:

So Maj is saying Bowyer doesn't get the payers fit enough?

certainly appears that way. If the players are not fit enough then thats down to very poor trainingand coaches. They do naff all else only train and play footy.

[Majiball]

  On 18/01/2014 at 18:58, CapeTownRover said:

i dont know exactly Maj, what you and Gordon are on about, but im guessing its got to do with fitness levels of pro football players? to me is nonsense anyway which ever way you look at, and from what ever angle the argument is coming from. We use to play on a Saturday and a Sunday in amateur leagues for 90 mins, and if we had to, we would play the Monday as well. like i said, these are pro footballers, and have at their disposal the best dieticians, trainers and equipment, and they are tired having played on the Wednesday and then on a Saturday? so i dont understand why anybody would use tiredness as an excuse.

The physical demands are well above what you and your mates do again this has been researched. You also don't train like them either which increases the load. Its just not the same.

You have a very idyllic view of football I was like that once, not anymore. Do the wolrds best sports scientists work in football, no, no they don.t. Why not the money is great (some earn 2M a year), Bangsbo, worked at Juve, will never work in full-time football again (copenhagen uni and denmark). Drust, Middlesbourgh, will never work in full time football again (now consults only), Di Salvo Real Madrid, will never work in full time football again (works in an arabian research centre). Why? The majority of the worlds best sports scientists do not work in football, they work and research in almost every other sport on the planet. Why? There's more than enough clues out there for people to put two and two together on this one.

So they don't have the best at their disposal, I wonder why?

They keep their toes in the water as they love the gamebut don't want to be a part of it. The three mentioned people are three of the biggest names in Soccer research the world over. Think of them as lionel messi, ronaldo and ribery and I wonder what those three do, have done, to ensure they are the best of the best of the best. Given both parties are the best in their chosen area's you would believe they would have common traits and ground and yet those at the topic of one world won't work with the others. So there must be some seriously significant issues between them and yet the scientists work very successfully in the majority of all the remaining sports on the planet.

think about it.

To quote a very knowledgeable man on the topic of football that more on here should paid heed to:

That's my final post.

[yoda's brother]

  On 18/01/2014 at 19:35, Majiball said:

The physical demands are well above what you and your mates do again this has been researched. You also don't train like them either which increases the load. Its just not the same.

You have a very idyllic view of football I was like that once, not anymore. Do the wolrds best sports scientists work in football, no, no they don.t. Why not the money is great (some earn 2M a year), Bangsbo, worked at Juve, will never work in full-time football again (copenhagen uni and denmark). Drust, Middlesbourgh, will never work in full time football again (now consults only), Di Salvo Real Madrid, will never work in full time football again (works in an arabian research centre). Why? The majority of the worlds best sports scientists do not work in football, they work and research in almost every other sport on the planet. Why? There's more than enough clues out there for people to put two and two together on this one.

So they don't have the best at their disposal, I wonder why?

They keep their toes in the water as they love the gamebut don't want to be a part of it. The three mentioned people are three of the biggest names in Soccer research the world over. Think of them as lionel messi, ronaldo and ribery and I wonder what those three do, have done, to ensure they are the best of the best of the best. Given both parties are the best in their chosen area's you would believe they would have common traits and ground and yet those at the topic of one world won't work with the others. So there must be some seriously significant issues between them and yet the scientists work very successfully in the majority of all the remaining sports on the planet.

think about it.

To quote a very knowledgeable man on the topic of football that more on here should paid heed to:

That's my final post.

bet it isnt

[rossyrover]

  On 18/01/2014 at 18:22, Waggy76 said:

I think lowe and williamson play together because the centre backs leave a lot to be desired....

Bowyer has twigged this and his trying to protect them instead of taking the game to our opponents...

Also we need a keeper if Robbo aint gong to play !

I agree both our centre backs are not good enough and if Robinson doesn't play both back up keepers are not of the standard required for this level also I think young Henley needs a rest and we need Evans back in centre midfield.

[arbitro]

  On 18/01/2014 at 18:22, Waggy76 said:

I think lowe and williamson play together because the centre backs leave a lot to be desired....

Bowyer has twigged this and his trying to protect them instead of taking the game to our opponents...

Also we need a keeper if Robbo aint gong to play !

So to overcome one deficiency you create another one. Some clever planning there.

[des]

good midfield players can both defend and attack that why there are there the key word there is good midfield players it has been stated for a number of years that this is a weakness in our team/s