[Archived] Is world war 3 about to kick off, starting in Ukraine

[Robin]

Not sure there will be a silver lining to a mushroom cloud, with all that radiation etc.

Finland would be a real sign Putin has got megalomania, as it is an EU country and probably a member of NATO. So Russia would be at war with the EU, and probably the USA too. China wouldn't be happy since he'd be attacking a business partner so they might be awkward too. It won't happen for these reasons unless Putin goes completely off the rails.

I dont think you have to worry so much about this article, because Finland doesn't have a large group of russian-speaking people who wants to reunite with Russia like in Crimea.

He has nothing here to gain really, if its not just for territorial matters which i think he will avoid now when Finland belongs to EU.

[T.J.Newton]

Just to answer the question posed in the thread heading- No

(though something major is going to kick off sooner or later if we carry on letting the corporations interfere with our civilisation and I think any trouble will be a lot closer to home than ever before)

[Guest Norbert]

The Russian speaking people are getting rowdy in the East of Ukraine now. So Russia might have another land grab this year. And I would not be surprised if they are behind it. After all, they helped Yanokovich with his elections.

Update: Yep, it seems there are more people wanting to join Russia.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26919928

[Steve Moss]

The Navy's electromagnetic rail-gun will soon be a reality. It fires an 18" projectile at a speed of 5,000 mph and has an effective range of 100 miles.

And once the Navy works out the kinks and installs it on it's ships, the Army will adapt it for land uses.

http://www.wired.com/2014/04/electromagnetic-railgun-launcher/

[Paul]

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27072351

No boots on the ground seems to have succeeded

[Jeru tha Damaja]

Funny how when the EU and US were encouraging protesters to overthrow an elected government there was no hand-wringing about foreign countries using their influence to destabilize a government. Now that Russia has taken a similar, albeit more aggressive, approach to an as yet unelected mob that responds to dissent within its own legislative house through physical violence there is outcry. If you dare say something unpopular in Kiev you get the snot beaten out of you by the good guys (they're good guys because they've taken their neo-Nazi banners down now).

Stability, in foreign policy terms, refers to the ability of Western businesses to profit from the industries of a nation. It's one of those sanitized terms that from the mouth of a politician means something very different to how it sounds. "International community" is another one, because that really only refers to the US and its allies, and in American political nomenclature an "isolationist" is someone who doesn't like the idea of sending in the troops every time a "vital national interest" is threatened.

Putin was never as strong as some wanted to make him out to be, he just needed to secure enough of a victory to maintain his image in Russia. Meanwhile, certain folks back at the ranch will use this as evidence that Russia is a massive threat to "global security" and the US will continue to find creative ways to spend world conquest sized amounts on "defence" (the most heinously misappropriated word in all politics). Everyone wins. Well, crazy Russian presidents and ultra-conservative Americans win, most of us lose quite badly but let's pretend that's not true.

[ultrablue]

Funny how when the EU and US were encouraging protesters to overthrow an elected government there was no hand-wringing about foreign countries using their influence to destabilize a government.

That's because you were watching EU or US news. They weren't too happy about it on RT. Not rocket science mate.

By the way - I agree with your post.

[thenodrog]

The Navy's electromagnetic rail-gun will soon be a reality. It fires an 18" projectile at a speed of 5,000 mph and has an effective range of 100 miles.

And once the Navy works out the kinks and installs it on it's ships, the Army will adapt it for land uses.

http://www.wired.com/2014/04/electromagnetic-railgun-launcher/

Great! A rail gun...... Thats the last thing an army with such a poor reputation for friendly fire as your lot needs at it's disposal.

[Steve Moss]

Great! A rail gun...... Thats the last thing an army with such a poor reputation for friendly fire as your lot needs at it's disposal.

Good point, but rail guns are the horizon.

[Steve Moss]

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27072351

No boots on the ground seems to have succeeded

Well, mostly. USA military personnel will be sent to Poland, it seems.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2014/04/18/u-s-ground-troops-going-to-poland-defense-minister-says/

[Audax]

RAF Jet Chases Russian Planes Away From UK

http://news.sky.com/story/1247985/raf-jet-chases-russian-planes-away-from-uk

[Jeru tha Damaja]

"...eight similar incidents reported in 2013."

Sounds like nothing to me.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Wow, fifty year old aircraft. Even our depleted Air Force should be able to deal with them. I didn't know they still made propellers.

[Guest Norbert]

B-52's are basically 50 years old, and they're still in use.

[Audax]

Denmark, Netherlands too.

AMSTERDAM (AP) -- The Dutch defense department says several NATO member countries scrambled jets Wednesday afternoon after a pair of Russian bomber planes approached their airspace over the North Sea.

Read more: http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/25320772/dutch-scramble-jets-after-russian-bombers-approach#ixzz2zmGRAmQf
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[SIMON GARNERS 194]

All seems to be going tits up,observers taken hostage,both Ukraine and Russia appear to be spoiling for a fight.

Puddled.

[Guest Norbert]

It looks like the Russian agents have done too good a job on firing up the separatist crowd in the east, and rather than a careful increase in pressure, we could have a civil war with Russia having to decide whether to send in the tanks or not.

It's time to crush the Russian economy now.

[dave birch]

Not far off the mark there, Norbert.

The Russians wont want to carry this too far if their economy starts faltering more than it is now.

The average ruskie wont want to know Putin if things start going pearshaped in the shops.

They've just upped their interest rates to better than 7% iirc.

[Guest Norbert]

Putin's personal media will say we (as in the EU/USA) are to blame for the economic problems and 80% of the Russian public will swallow that happily like good little patriotic proles. The other 20% will keep quiet are be put in some hideous prison for speaking out.

[meerkat]

Seriously, the US and UK just need to keep their @#/? noses out of it.

Wee Willie hague is dribbling at the prospect of war.

[Guest Norbert]

That second sentence is quite disgusting!

So it's OK to invade other countries then? I know we did it a hell of a lot in the 1700's and 1800's, but that doesn't mean it's right. Appeasement of ruthless tyrants never works, and one day we might find Putin dictating to us how we run our country through manipulation of the fossil fuel market. Next on the list will be the Baltic states, if there is not another country in the Caucasus he can bully. And the Baltic states are EU members.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

That second sentence is quite disgusting!

So it's OK to invade other countries then? I know we did it a hell of a lot in the 1700's and 1800's, but that doesn't mean it's right. Appeasement of ruthless tyrants never works, and one day we might find Putin dictating to us how we run our country through manipulation of the fossil fuel market. Next on the list will be the Baltic states, if there is not another country in the Caucasus he can bully. And the Baltic states are EU members.

The US seems to think it's OK to invade other countries.

[Steve Moss]

The US seems to think it's OK to invade other countries.

Actually, it was the USA supported by 46 allies who invaded Afghanistan. And the USA was supported by 43 allies in the invasion of Iraq.

So while the USA does intend invade countries from time to time, and IMO we're "OK" with it, we rarely act alone or without international support.

[Jeru tha Damaja]

Actually, it was the USA supported by 46 allies who invaded Afghanistan. And the USA was supported by 43 allies in the invasion of Iraq.

So while the USA does intend invade countries from time to time, and IMO we're "OK" with it, we rarely act alone or without international support.

The US was supported by 43 allies in the "occupation" of Iraq. In the invasion it was the US plus three, partaking in a little jaunt that the then Secretary General of the UN considered to be illegal. But the UN often finds its legitimacy undermined when it becomes contrary to American ambitions.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Actually, it was the USA supported by 46 allies who invaded Afghanistan. And the USA was supported by 43 allies in the invasion of Iraq.So while the USA does intend invade countries from time to time, and IMO we're "OK" with it, we rarely act alone or without international support.

Steve, Who else in the World has an organisation called " Veterans Of Foreign Wars " ?