[Archived] Back Or Sack?

[Amo]

re: Bowyer's lack of 'personality'. Steve Coppell is one the most dour, monotonous managers I've ever listened to and he didn't do too shabby at Reading. I'm sure you could reel off countless other examples.

[PAFELL]

Glad I don't have your mind then.

It's about opinions. I want Bowyer removed as I see very little progress in terms of performances ( there is definitely little progress in terms of points on the board).

Allied to this, the guy has no tactical awareness that can change a game and a lack of presence / personality.

You appear to be happy with things as they are and worried that change will bring a turn for the worse, which can be a bit debilitating.

So I have no sense?

Currently, out of 275 voters in the poll, 55 want to definitely see him as manager next year.

Problem with those wanting Bowyer gone, is there is no money in the pot to do it. It costs to remove a manger and costs more to replace the manager. So even if there was a desire to remove Bowyer - financially it probable can't be done.

Maybe bringing in somebody to work along side him could be an option.

[Al]

There's that word again....

AAAAARRRGGGHHH!

[Stuart]

The size of this section is shown by the fact we are having this topic and poll. In my mind, nobody with any real sense could say "sack him immediately" yet 59 have said that.

So if people don't agree with you about this they have no sense? Speaks volumes mate.

[Tom]

Didn't someone say on here recently they knew jbizz and he just likes to troll? Answers a lot

[ABBEY]

Could be instigated by our new Agnew , first shot across the bows etc,

I posted same last night ... Venky propoganda mk2

[Guest Norbert]

re: Bowyer's lack of 'personality'. Steve Coppell is one the most dour, monotonous managers I've ever listened to and he didn't do too shabby at Reading. I'm sure you could reel off countless other examples.

Or if you want the other extreme, Paolo Di Canio is bursting with energy and personality and he was rubbish at Sunderland.

[JBiz]

Didn't someone say on here recently they knew jbizz and he just likes to troll? Answers a lot

If that is true probably K-hod but that's probably because we've differed on key points this year. We're both good buddies though and I can understand if he thought I was "trolling" when I took umbridge to some negative one line tweets and posts!

So if people don't agree with you about this they have no sense? Speaks volumes mate.

How can people who can't see precedent have any sense? It's opinion of those voting in such way. Might be brash and dismissive of people's opinions but I think voting for an outcome like that is horrendously short sighted

[yoda]

this thread reeks of mediocrity

[RevidgeBlue]

I think I would come into the "not sure" category on this at the moment.

I don't think it's possible to make a definitive decision at this point without knowing what is going to happen to the Club as a whole. If hopefully administration is not an issue and it is business as normal next season and money by Championship standards was not an issue then I would say that we have underperformed by some margin at crucial points this season and there is probably a good case for turning to someone with a proven track record of success at this level e.g. Malky Mackay and giving him whatever funding he felt was necessary to secure promotion. If that were the plan then GB would need to go now to give the new man the remaining ten games or so this season to assess who is needed and who is not so we can hit the ground running next season.

If however administration (either before any cut off date this season or in the summer) is a possibility, there is no point making a change.

On the flip side GB has had a lot to contend with, has had to remove wasters like Murphy and Pedersen from the wage bill, is still stuck with some like Best, Etuhu and Campbell, and also had to see his captain leave and established CB pairing broken up in January to further trim the wage bill. There is also a similarly strong argument that sometimes stability is the key to long term success and I think most people would want to see an end to the revolving door managerial policy at Rovers. Look at Nigel Pearson at Leicester, he must have been very lucky to keep his job there after they blew near certain promotion last season yet look at them now.

I'm wouldn't be completely unhappy either way if GB were to stay or leave but my recent misgivings have arisen over his obsession with Lowe in particular and playing 2 holding midfielders in general, being too negative, signing good players like Taylor and Cairney then either refusing to play them or playing them in the wrong position, signing too many wide players and a third holding midfield player (Dabo) who has never seen the light of day, leaving us with only two out and out strikers and two centre backs, and loaning out our only creative midfielder in Rochina apart from the perennially knackered Dunn.

I like GB and I'd rather we succeeded and went up under him than anyone else, but I feel he is going to have to change tack considerably for us to achieve that goal.

[Jimmy612]

this thread reeks of mediocrity

Just like the club then eh Yoda?

Get used to it. We are a mediocre club, with mediocre players and a mediocre manager, playing in a mediocre league, in a mediocre position.

Time for some realisation. The last 4 years has raped this club of any financial, competitive or any other advantage that we had over most of the clubs around our level. Hopefully one day if we're lucky we'll do a Hull (how many years out of the prem for them?).... in contrast we might do a Bradford or a Portsmouth.

[Blue blood]

I think I would come into the "not sure" category on this at the moment.

I don't think it's possible to make a definitive decision at this point without knowing what is going to happen to the Club as a whole. If hopefully administration is not an issue and it is business as normal next season and money by Championship standards was not an issue then I would say that we have underperformed by some margin at crucial points this season and there is probably a good case for turning to someone with a proven track record of success at this level e.g. Malky Mackay and giving him whatever funding he felt was necessary to secure promotion. If that were the plan then GB would need to go now to give the new man the remaining ten games or so this season to assess who is needed and who is not so we can hit the ground running next season.

If however administration (either before any cut off date this season or in the summer) is a possibility, there is no point making a change.

On the flip side GB has had a lot to contend with, has had to remove wasters like Murphy and Pedersen from the wage bill, is still stuck with some like Best, Etuhu and Campbell, and also had to see his captain leave and established CB pairing broken up in January to further trim the wage bill. There is also a similarly strong argument that sometimes stability is the key to long term success and I think most people would want to see an end to the revolving door managerial policy at Rovers. Look at Nigel Pearson at Leicester, he must have been very lucky to keep his job there after they blew near certain promotion last season yet look at them now.

I'm wouldn't be completely unhappy either way if GB were to stay or leave but my recent misgivings have arisen over his obsession with Lowe in particular and playing 2 holding midfielders in general, being too negative, signing good players like Taylor and Cairney then either refusing to play them or playing them in the wrong position, signing too many wide players and a third holding midfield player (Dabo) who has never seen the light of day, leaving us with only two out and out strikers and two centre backs, and loaning out our only creative midfielder in Rochina apart from the perennially knackered Dunn.

I like GB and I'd rather we succeeded and went up under him than anyone else, but I feel he is going to have to change tack considerably for us to achieve that goal.

Excellent well reasoned and argued post. Have to say though it's not a great endorsement of Bowyer that the key arguments to him staying is administration!

Your last sentence to me really sums things up well, and is why I'd get rid - there needs to be massive change if we're to go up under GB and I can't see that happening.

[thenodrog]

Does his whingeing nature mean he has lost the right to complain about the invasion of his privacy and damage to his property?

Probably not..... but it should do!

[thenodrog]

Warning: this inaccurate, repeat post completely ignores context (both of, and during, the game), prior matches/performances and acknowledgement of human emotion.

Context? Rubbish! 3-0 up against a likely relegation candidate. What other context is there?

So we got blitzed at Man Utd a week or so earlier.... lots have got blitzed at OT over the years. @#/? happens.

Human emotion???? I might think a bit longer about that if the only human trait I had seen that day had not been a pathetic cross between spoilt brats and a flock of pig ignorant sheep.

[roversfan99]

On the flip side GB has had a lot to contend with, has had to remove wasters like Murphy and Pedersen from the wage bill, is still stuck with some like Best, Etuhu and Campbell, and also had to see his captain leave and established CB pairing broken up in January to further trim the wage bill.

I hate this argument. Murphy (and countless others) where paid off by Venkys without Bowyer doing anything. Pedersen (and Givet) were let go with massive pay offs. None of this was Bowyers doing, and Bowyer still got a decent budget. Murphy and co had no impact at all.

Regarding Best, Etuhu and Campbell. Bowyer has had the freedom to totally isolate and ignore them. In my opinion, he has handled Best terribly when we could have done with him as a sub. Regarding Etuhu, we have a midfielder on our books on 30k+. Despite this, Bowyer has had the freedom to sign Evans, Cairney, Marrow and Dabo, and we already had Williamson and Lowe. So he has had no impact whatsoever.

[thenodrog]

So if people don't agree with you about this they have no sense? Speaks volumes mate.

One could easily take that either way.

[JBiz]

One could easily take that either way.

Pot calleth kettle!! We are all stubborn (old) gits.

[chaddyrovers]

In all fairness Roversfan99, Bowyer decided to go with a squad of younger British nationality of players with the odd exception after being told he would have to cut the wage bill a lot.

he has made some very good signings for the first evelen like Spurr, Evans, Cairney, Gestede and Marshall and Conway. But struggle with buying squad players like Eastwood, Marrow, Judge, ect

The poll is looking interesting now tho

[yoda]

In all fairness Roversfan99, Bowyer decided to go with a squad of younger British nationality of players with the odd exception after being told he would have to cut the wage bill a lot.

he has made some very good signings for the first evelen like Spurr, Evans, Cairney, Gestede and Marshall and Conway. But struggle with buying squad players like Eastwood, Marrow, Judge, ect

The poll is looking interesting now tho

Why is that?

[roversfan99]

In all fairness Roversfan99, Bowyer decided to go with a squad of younger British nationality of players with the odd exception after being told he would have to cut the wage bill a lot.

he has made some very good signings for the first evelen like Spurr, Evans, Cairney, Gestede and Marshall and Conway. But struggle with buying squad players like Eastwood, Marrow, Judge, ect

The poll is looking interesting now tho

You again ignore my point.

People constantly bring people like Murphy into the argument of Bowyer doing a good job, when in fact they were dealt with ie paid off or allowed to stew away from the side without at all impacting on the job Bowyer has.

[JBiz]

You again ignore my point.

People constantly bring people like Murphy into the argument of Bowyer doing a good job, when in fact they were dealt with ie paid off or allowed to stew away from the side without at all impacting on the job Bowyer has.

The point is changing your key players, tactics and management season upon season will have a negative impact. We kept the best of the lot in Rhodes and a few of the others, but that is a massive squad upheaval which will take time to bed together (if it ever does!) Don't underestimate the impact large "in's and out's" can have on a football club.

[yoda]

The point is changing your key players, tactics and management season upon season will have a negative impact. We kept the best of the lot in Rhodes and a few of the others, but that is a massive squad upheaval which will take time to bed together (if it ever does!) Don't underestimate the impact large "in's and out's" can have on a football club.

Does that include owners

[TBTF]

Just a point about the ''cost cutting'' ''wage trimming'' call it what you will. But I am failing to see with what has gone out (and how much we are still subsidising those loan moves) with what we have brought in -GB has brought 19 players in- how much do we think we have saved ????

I reckon we must still be on course for at least a £25million loss again this year. Stability, my arse

[yoda]

Just like the club then eh Yoda?

Get used to it. We are a mediocre club, with mediocre players and a mediocre manager, playing in a mediocre league, in a mediocre position.

Time for some realisation. The last 4 years has raped this club of any financial, competitive or any other advantage that we had over most of the clubs around our level. Hopefully one day if we're lucky we'll do a Hull (how many years out of the prem for them?).... in contrast we might do a Bradford or a Portsmouth.

Never get used to it,

The "club" is not mediocre the owners are, big time

I had the realisation 3 years ago, that is why the Raos have to go

[Parsonblue]

Never get used to it,

The "club" is not mediocre the owners are, big time

I had the realisation 3 years ago, that is why the Raos have to go

Yoda, to some extent Jimmy is right. Look at the club's history prior to Jack taking over. Between 1936 and 1992 we spent far more seasons outside of the top flight than in it. Jack's money changed that and allowed us to mix it with the best. The Trust kept it going so that we were comfortable in midtable in the top flight and had a decent record in cups and some European adventures. You are correct in saying that the Rao family have completely destroyed that. Sadly, I suspect it will take a generation or more to overcome the legacy of the clowns in pune - if we ever do.