[Archived] Back Or Sack?

[roverandout]

its no good if the youngsters aren't up to it, and a lot of them will fall by the wayside.

[LDRover]

Lest we forget that this is what many fans wanted to see after we drew 0-0 against Sheff Wed and beat Leeds away from home over Christmas. Attack, Attack, Attack Attack Attack. 13 goals scored in the last 5 games. Unfortunately and as is to be expected, we're also conceding more.

We're not conceding more because of some gung ho attacking philosophy, we're conceding more because we're sh1t scared of killing teams off when we're a goal up and adopt a defensive mentality.

That's certainly what happened last night anyway after 60 minutes.

[JAL]

If the club are to slash the wage bill by a quarter in the summer then thats got to mean that the season is over as the players ease off in order to protect themselves for their next employers

[lraC]

you are joking, right ?

No I'm not joking where is the harm in giving him a go, if the fans drive Bowyer out?

[roverandout]

if the fans drive bowyer out?? give him a go? lord almighty, these two statements are that of a madman

[Neal]

Never really understand why Curbishley hasnt had a club since west ham job in 2008.

What your view of Phil Parkinson or Karl Robinson Neal???

I think Parkinson has done a good job at Bradford, he's a local fella too, think he's from Chorley. He had an opportunity to go to Blackpool last year but turned it down, I think that was the right decision at this stage of his career. Considering they're on the same points as Coventry and considering what Pressley has been up against... I'd still prefer him, think he's done something of a minor miracle there.

Robinson I'm not so keen on, he's also done a decent job but just on a personal level my opinion is he's a lower league manager and nothing more.

[yoda]

If the club are to slash the wage bill by a quarter in the summer then thats got to mean that the season is over as the players ease off in order to protect themselves for their next employers

They switched to holiday mode a couple of weeks ago

[chaddyrovers]

My reasons for backing him are all about football den. With the finances as they are I expect many of the senior - well paid players - to leave in the summer and with the club having to rebuild using youngsters. Gary, Terry, Tony Grant and Craig Short have all got experience in working with and developing younger players. That is why I want to see them being given another season. But, ultimately, it is not my decision as I don't own the club or pay the bills. It's down to the owners as they are the ones who are funding - or not - the club at the moment.

spot on there ParsonBlue.

Rovers playing staff budget will be cut for sure next season whoever the manager.

I dont expect alot of signings this summer. About 4 signings imo.

[lraC]

if the fans drive bowyer out?? give him a go? lord almighty, these two statements are that of a madman

Really, well I feel pretty sane for a mad man. Are you saying its beyond all realms of possibility that the fans won't drive Bowyer out and Beattie wouldn't make the grade two leagues higher? Nothing mad about that, so far as I am concerned!

[roverandout]

but r u saying that the fans will make bowyers life intolerable? if so thats bull, if he is sacked then its because hes not good enough, beattie is not ready for a job as big as rovers yet

[yoda]

but r u saying that the fans will make bowyers life intolerable? if so thats bull, if he is sacked then its because hes not good enough, beattie is not ready for a job as big as rovers yet

The punatics will get us down to his level

[K-Hod]

Fans driving Bowyer out? Ridiculous.

He'll drive himself out if he keeps going like this though...

[lraC]

but r u saying that the fans will make bowyers life intolerable? if so thats bull, if he is sacked then its because hes not good enough, beattie is not ready for a job as big as rovers yet

No I'm not saying that at all. Bowyer is only human and it may be that the stick he is getting from the minority, may well get to him and he could throw the towel in.

Beattie may well not be ready for Rovers yet, I just think he has done an excellent job with Stanley. Pretty much in the same way Keith Hill did so ell at Rochdale and was given a crack at out level with Barnsley. A few fans ere mentioning Hill as a possible target at one time. It didn't work out for him at Oakwell, but I do still think he may have a lot to offer at a higher level.

[No Nay Never]

No I'm not saying that at all. Bowyer is only human and it may be that the stick he is getting from the minority, may well get to him and he could throw the towel in.

Beattie may well not be ready for Rovers yet, I just think he has done an excellent job with Stanley. Pretty much in the same way Keith Hill did so ell at Rochdale and was given a crack at out level with Barnsley. A few fans ere mentioning Hill as a possible target at one time. It didn't work out for him at Oakwell, but I do still think he may have a lot to offer at a higher level.

James Beattie? Keith Hill? Bloody hell!! What about Kenny Langford at Darwen?

[lraC]

James Beattie? Keith Hill? Bloody hell!! What about Kenny Langford at Darwen?

I'm sure you would have said Howard Kendall would not have made it too, as he had Zero experience when he was appointed. He went on to almost get us in to the top flight on a shoestring and went on to win major Trophies at Everton. I'm not suggesting for one minute that Hill or Beattie will ever aspire to such dizzy heights, but sometime taking a chance can pay dividends.

By thy way, why throw such a comment in about Kenny Langford? Are Hill and Beattie so far removed?

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

That's the sort of pond we'll be fishing in wether you like it or not.

[lraC]

That's the sort of pond we'll be fishing in wether you like it or not.

Quite right and let's face it, this time last year, if someone would have suggested that Sean Dyche would lead Burnley into the Premier league, they would have been ridiculed. It the under dog isn't given a chance now and then, no one would ever succeed!

[roverandout]

but football has moved on a lot since the 70s and 80s, a totally different ball game, look at dalglish when he returned to Liverpool, back then there wasn't as much riding on it (financially and otherwise) especially at a club like rovers, experiments like kendall cant apply to rovers current predicament, there was no real expectation back then compared to now, in the financial sense they are worlds appart

[lraC]

but football has moved on a lot since the 70s and 80s, a totally different ball game, look at dalglish when he returned to Liverpool, back then there wasn't as much riding on it (financially and otherwise) especially at a club like rovers, experiments like kendall cant apply to rovers current predicament, there was no real expectation back then compared to now, in the financial sense they are worlds apart I have to say that there is no real expectation anymore

I have to say there is no real positive expectation right now. Given the debt, the reducing parachute payments and the current expenditure to keep the club going, does anyone really expect a return to the big time, any time soon? That's why taking a similar chance to those made in the 70's and 80's make sense. What have we to lose?

[No Nay Never]

I'm sure you would have said Howard Kendall would not have made it too, as he had Zero experience when he was appointed. He went on to almost get us in to the top flight on a shoestring and went on to win major Trophies at Everton. I'm not suggesting for one minute that Hill or Beattie will ever aspire to such dizzy heights, but sometime taking a chance can pay dividends.

By thy way, why throw such a comment in about Kenny Langford? Are Hill and Beattie so far removed?

Yes, You wouldn't be mentioning James Beattie if he was the manager of York City and had no connection to BRFC. Same possibly goes for Keith Hill.

That's the sort of pond we'll be fishing in wether you like it or not.

Yes and that is the reason it is far too early to contemplate the removal of Gary Bowyer

[lraC]

You wouldn't be mentioning James Beattie if he was manager of York City and had no connections with BRFC. Possibly same goes for Keith Hill.

That might well be the case, but let me run this one by you. Brian McDermott, went from Managing Slough Town in the Conference, to replacing Brendan Rodgers, after he was sacked at Reading. In his first season, he took them to the quarter final of the F A cup and in his second season, he took them to the play offs. In his third season he took them to the Premier league. Now he would have been a gamble to the Reading fans when he was appointed. It goes to show, taking a chance can pay off.

[roverandout]

again a club with no expectation, I thought rovers had to be back in the premier, promotion or bust? its fine for clubs like reading, burnley etc, no pressure, with rovers they need the real deal to achieve this (bowyer is not)

[No Nay Never]

That might well be the case, but let me run this one by you. Brian McDermott, went from Managing Slough Town in the Conference, to replacing Brendan Rodgers, after he was sacked at Reading. In his first season, he took them to the quarter final of the F A cup and in his second season, he took them to the play offs. In his third season he took them to the Premier league. Now he would have been a gamble to the Reading fans when he was appointed. It goes to show, taking a chance can pay off.

I fully appreciate taking a chance can pay off, but can also fail obviously. If we were to get rid of GB then a experienced manager is the only road to go down and as Tyrone Shoelaces pointed out, the chance of that happening is unlikely. So instead of taking a chance lets let Gary Bowyer finish his chance.

[lraC]

again a club with no expectation, I thought rovers had to be back in the premier, promotion or bust? its fine for clubs like reading, burnley etc, no pressure, with rovers they need the real deal to achieve this (bowyer is not)

Yes you are right, us fans were led to believe it was promotion or bust THIS SEASON. We have not made it, so it's also fine for Rovers, as well as clubs like Burnley and Reading, as we now have nothing to lose, as we are bust according the what we were told.

I fully appreciate taking a chance can pay off, but can also fail obviously. If we were to get rid of GB then a experienced manager is the only road to go down and as Tyrone Shoelaces pointed out, the chance of that happening is unlikely. So instead of taking a chance lets let Gary Bowyer finish his chance.

I do agree and I have never suggested getting rid of Bowyer. The only suggestions, I have made are replacements in the event.

[darrenrover]

Bowyer may be a nice guy but he comes across as a spineless wet fish. He doesn't inspire us as supporters so the odds are he won't inspire the players either, nor does he possess 'the fear factor'. He doesn't appear to be much of a tactician and more often than not is out thought by the opposition, increasingly so of late. He is definitely no leader of men. He's had his shot but IMO is not up to the job in hand.

Debating whether or not Venkys could make a decent appointment as part of the decision making process is ridiculous but understandable nonetheless. Shows what we've become.