[Archived] Back Or Sack?

[den]

as for this topic though,

I think with everything that bowyer has had to deal with on and off the pitch during his time as manager and yet he's still managed to get us pushing for the playoff spots instead of fighting against relegation,

What's he had to deal with? Stability, as many players as he wanted and never in shouting distance of the playoffs - as far as I can see.

[AggyBlue]

What's he had to deal with? Stability and as many players as he wanted as far as I can see.

He's had to deal with lots of individual mistakes from players. I dread to think how many points they have cost us this season.

[thenodrog]

What's he had to deal with? Stability, as many players as he wanted and never in shouting distance of the playoffs - as far as I can see.

A lot more than most other managers. Never mind the day to day training, matches and key injuries how many have had a list of names of supposed 'top' players to bin off and replace whilst all the while improving squad morale?

btw Den are you going to Ewood these days or have you stopped going?

btw bin off the 'stability' rubbish. You need to remain above the mob who find humour in repeating that word ad infinitum.

[Al]

He's had to deal with lots of individual mistakes from players. I dread to think how many points they have cost us this season.

Not nearly so many as the manager's negativity. No idea what theno's points are. He's still blissfully on "ignore". Try not to quote him lads please.

[den]

He's had to deal with lots of individual mistakes from players. I dread to think how many points they have cost us this season.

A lot more than most other managers. Never mind the day to day training, matches and key injuries how many have had a list of names of supposed 'top' players to bin off and replace whilst all the while improving squad morale?btw Den are you going to Ewood these days or have you stopped going?btw bin off the 'stability' rubbish. You need to remain above the mob who find humour in repeating that word ad infinitum.

Nothing there that any manager doesn't have to deal with. I'm just stating facts guys. There's been no Shebby to deal with, no off field antics to deal with. Face it, he's had great backing. No interference, only having to sell one player (Dann) that he might have wanted to keep - and given the backing to bring in 19 players of his choice.

Let's not try to argue that he's had a tough time.

[JBiz]

Not nearly so many as the manager's negativity. No idea what theno's points are. He's still blissfully on "ignore". Try not to quote him lads please.

I'm almost as perplexed by the "negative" football suggestions as I am by people saying "sack" after a bad result...

When did we play negative this season? I can't recall a match we haven't gone for it. Always a mixture of long diagonals (more so with Rudy) and wing play.

We have been pegged back numerous times by teams, but I'd say that's inexperienced defending, a lack of confidence to hold a lead (something a lot of you forget we haven't had for 30+ months) and some bad luck with bounces and officials.

I've never seen us play negative. Infact the last time I heard it used to describe Rovers was the BS era. That said, I enjoyed Big Sams football. Not pretty, but always exciting. (And it got results)

Nothing there that any manager doesn't have to deal with. I'm just stating facts guys. There's been no Shebby to deal with, no off field antics to deal with. Face it, he's had great backing. No interference, only having to sell one player (Dann) that he might have wanted to keep - and given the backing to bring in 19 players of his choice.

Let's not try to argue that he's had a tough time.

He's had 24 months of injury free consistent lineups has he? Nope. Got given the job because everyone else they chose failed, cut the wage bill through paying off 3/4 of the ex prem/mental Kean signings and replaced expensive flops like Nuno Gomes with Hungry young talent like Rudy.

[AggyBlue]

Let's not try to argue that he's had a tough time.

You're trying your best Den

[Amo]

He's had 24 months of injury free consistent lineups has he? Nope.

Which manager *has*?

[JBiz]

Which manager *has*?

Nigel Pearson and Sean Dyche

[den]

He's had 24 months of injury free consistent lineups has he? Nope. Got given the job because everyone else they chose failed, cut the wage bill through paying off 3/4 of the ex prem/mental Kean signings and replaced expensive flops like Nuno Gomes with Hungry young talent like Rudy.

Injuries and letting players go who he didn't want + being backed with 19 players of his choice = having a tough time?

Give over. Judge him on how he's done, but don't argue he's had it tough.

[Al]

I'm almost as perplexed by the "negative" football suggestions as I am by people saying "sack" after a bad result...

When did we play negative this season? I can't recall a match we haven't gone for it. Always a mixture of long diagonals (more so with Rudy) and wing play.

We have been pegged back numerous times by teams, but I'd say that's inexperienced defending, a lack of confidence to hold a lead (something a lot of you forget we haven't had for 30+ months) and some bad luck with bounces and officials.

I've never seen us play negative. Infact the last time I heard it used to describe Rovers was the BS era. That said, I enjoyed Big Sams football. Not pretty, but always exciting. (And it got results)

If you can't see the negativity then you either don't go to matches or leave when we are leading. I will not get through to you either way.

[Tom]

Nigel Pearson and Sean Dyche

Well that's a lie

Also Dyche had to deal with his star striker leaving just as the season was starting

[JBiz]

If you can't see the negativity then you either don't go to matches or leave when we are leading. I will not get through to you either way.

22 years a season ticket holder numerous away games. I see us shrinking into our own half getting deeper and deeper but (to use a similar sweeping statement) if you think that is tactical choice rather than fear, lack of confidence and naïveté - then you obviously have never played football.

Injuries and letting players go who he didn't want + being backed with 19 players of his choice = having a tough time?

Give over. Judge him on how he's done, but don't argue he's had it tough.

I'm sorry dude I just can't agree that he's had the perfect background noise for 12 months.

Well that's a lie

Also Dyche had to deal with his star striker leaving just as the season was starting

Don't remember either man replacing 5/6 members of their squads on the cheap?

[Amo]

I don't think Den was arguing that Bowyer's had it cushy, but faced the usual pressures that come with football management - injuries, clearing the deadwood, etc. whilst simultaneously being allowed to bring in a high turnover of new signings.

[Tom]

Bowyer has been unlucky with injuries but lucky in that he's been backed to replace people every time it's happened one way or another

[47er]

I'm assuming Topman would argue we haven't been unlucky at all?

[den]

I don't think Den was arguing that Bowyer's had it cushy, but faced the usual pressures that come with football management - injuries, clearing the deadwood, etc. whilst simultaneously being allowed to bring in a high turnover of new signings.

Yep.

[Amo]

I'm assuming Topman would argue we haven't been unlucky at all?

How did you arrive at that conclusion? Bowyer's had setbacks this season, but then which manager hasn't? He knew what he was getting into when traveled to India and took the job. He's had no interference from the board-room politics that plagued last season and Venky's have backed him to the tune of 20+ players. This hard-luck story isn't really supported by anything.

[JBiz]

Yep.

I don't necessarily disagree. I do think more things have been problematic than they seem. Rumours about no scouting being in place, fitness levels etc. GB certainly did not inherit what Steve Mclaren did.

He also said it would take 3 windows to address a lack of depth in key positions. He has managed a lot of that thus far - and I'm not the only person who would be happy to judge him on fresh terms come next season.

[47er]

How did you arrive at that conclusion? Bowyer's had setbacks this season, but then which manager hasn't? He knew what he was getting into when traveled to India and took the job. He's had no interference from the board-room politics that plagued last season and Venky's have backed him to the tune of 20+ players. This hard-luck story isn't really supported by anything.

Call it intuition. I agree with you by the way.

[blueboy3333]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2604623/Swansea-war-Garry-Monk-faces-new-crisis-training-match-ends-six-man-punch-up.html

Shades of Wolves a couple of years ago. Big earners with big egos dividing the dressing room. The team no longer playing for each other. Manager loses the dressing room then gets sacked. Inexperienced coach thrown in at deep end proves disastrous. Things go from bad to worse then relegated. In Wolves case we then appoint not one but two even more clueless managers who get us relegated a second time. Take note Swansea fans, it could happen to your team as well.

Article on current situation at Swansea. The bit in bold was posted by a Wolves fan in the comments section. Thanks to Bowyer we never got to the 'relegated a second time' bit. Bowyer should be given a hell of a lot of plaudits for the job he's done in such a short space of time.

Unless of course our players are also refuelling with Monster Munch at half-time like at Swansea, in which case i take it all back.

[roverandout]

I still think rovers relative success has as much to with Jordan Rhodes goals as anything else, he has popped up with goals at crucial times, without him, rovers would be a lot worse off and bowyer's record wouldn't look half as good

[blueboy3333]

I still think rovers relative success has as much to with Jordan Rhodes goals as anything else, he has popped up with goals at crucial times, without him, rovers would be a lot worse off and bowyer's record wouldn't look half as good

I said the same when Shearer won us the league. Dalglish out!

[den]

You're trying your best Den

I always get that feeling that you're prowling behind me Aggy.

[DaveyB]

I don't think Den was arguing that Bowyer's had it cushy, but faced the usual pressures that come with football management - injuries, clearing the deadwood, etc. whilst simultaneously being allowed to bring in a high turnover of new signings.

Personally I think that an interesting comparison is Nottingham Forest. They were going great guns, nicely positioned in the play-offs, and then suffered a number of injuries to key players and went into freefall, including getting hammered 5-0 by their local rivals - all this under the watch of an 'experienced' manager, a man that many on here would gladly have had ahead of Bowyer.

I'm not saying that Bowyer hasn't made some mistakes, but then I think at this level pretty all managers do, however there is no denying that injuries to key players has an adverse effect on results (no matter how experienced the manager) and in that respect I think that Gary has been unluckier than most this season.

P.s. Another example is QPR - just compare their results with Joey Barton in the side to the results when he's been missing through injury or suspension to see the effect that losing just one key player can have, and again I think that Rovers and Bowyer have suffered in this regard as Cory Evans has been absent for large periods of the season.