[Archived] Why no Watford thread? Watford v Rovers, 25th March, KO: 7.45

[chaddyrovers]

Oh just leave Bowyer in charge

[DE.]

Ok mate. Stay as we are then.

Our last 6 games at the business end of the season when the play offs were the aim, (19 players brought in), we took 5 points out of a possible 18. I don't get where the enthusiasm for next season comes from. If that's the best we can do, bring on administration. The sooner, the better. (Not really, but that's what it makes you feel like).

I never thought we'd reach the playoffs to be honest. I believed we'd get mid table and that's exactly where we are, so I can't be disappointed.

There's been a lot of upheaval this season, you're right. Hopefully there will be far less in the coming season and as a settled squad with a little more luck injury wise we can push on.

[yoda]

Oh just leave Bowyer in charge

Is that really Oh or, or

in both cases, a case of do nothing and hope it comes right

[USABlue]

a. I rem the excitement from some when Ince was named manager. It was a disaster as I predicted it would be.

b. I rem the excitement from a number on here when Allardyce was sacked and Kean brought in. It was an unmitigated disaster also as I predicted but which may well turn out to be the main reason for the death of the club.

Do you want that to risk all that happening again? **

If you believe that there is a better manager out there who is keen to manage us under the Venkymob and working with severe financial constraints then name him as a possibility / suggestion. Until then any opinion to bin off the relatively safe hands of Gary Bowyer is a worthless one.

** just as an aside cos I cant be bothered looking back but what were your opinions on a & b K-Hod?

Well put tnd. Again the difference in comments from those that went and those that did not is chalk and cheese.

[yoda's brother]

Sorry guys did we get beat? It would seem so from some of these comments.

why ?

nothings changed over the last few days just the same for and against comments regarding GB.

[Neal]

http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/26/is-star-man-david-dunn-irreplaceable-for-blackburn-rovers-4678900/?

I'd argue his replacement has been cast off to Spain...

[yoda's brother]

http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/26/is-star-man-david-dunn-irreplaceable-for-blackburn-rovers-4678900/?

I'd argue his replacement has been cast off to Spain...

did chaddy write that article

[thenodrog]

Quick question,

Why did Dunny play 90 minutes last night when he was brought off after 60 mins against Burnley and was on the bench for the games between Bournemouth and Leicester?

Not really sure this is how i'd treat him personally.

1. How on earth would we know? Only Bowyer, Dunn and a dozen or so others know the answer to that.

2. 'Treat him'? What do you mean by that?

[TBTF]

Totally with you on that Den.

Even at the start of the week after a draw(not a win!!) against Leicester the Club are still trotting out a load of tripe about playoffs being still on. Then its if we win the next 2 we are back in it. Then we drop 2 more points in the first of those 2 games and guess what..... play offs still on!!

I can't believe the bullsh1t that keeps being spouted in that Club. Its in complete and utter denial. banging on about stability for weeks when our turnover of playing staff resembles a soup kitchen. We must surely be heading for another major loss again this year because I don't see where the significant savings are -apart from not paying off managers this time round- and most of the crap we managed to shift is mostly only temporary till Summer and we are paying most of their wages.

Even if FFP gets watered down we are so far adrift that it probably wont help that much. And FFP or no FFP it doesn't stop us losing fortunes does it??

So like you Den, I think the Club is living in some sort of parallel universe and I just don't see how next year (without the bigger parachute money ) can offer any more hope than this one.

Its going to be very hard at Season ticket renewal to get enthused again for such mediocrity. Wonder what deal will be cooked up to inspire us this year??

[Proudtobeblue&white]

Totally with you on that Den.

Even at the start of the week after a draw(not a win!!) against Leicester the Club are still trotting out a load of tripe about playoffs being still on. Then its if we win the next 2 we are back in it. Then we drop 2 more points in the first of those 2 games and guess what..... play offs still on!!

I can't believe the bullsh1t that keeps being spouted in that Club. Its in complete and utter denial. banging on about stability for weeks when our turnover of playing staff resembles a soup kitchen. We must surely be heading for another major loss again this year because I don't see where the significant savings are -apart from not paying off managers this time round- and most of the crap we managed to shift is mostly only temporary till Summer and we are paying most of their wages.

Even if FFP gets watered down we are so far adrift that it probably wont help that much. And FFP or no FFP it doesn't stop us losing fortunes does it??

So like you Den, I think the Club is living in some sort of parallel universe and I just don't see how next year (without the bigger parachute money ) can offer any more hope than this one.

Its going to be very hard at Season ticket renewal to get enthused again for such mediocrity. Wonder what deal will be cooked up to inspire us this year??

I agree - some very hard questions to be answered.......we ain't going up, so ball in Loons court......they surely won't offer the same next year? Although no expense on the printing - send out last years flyers, with a bit of black pen putting up the price by a couple of hundred quid!

[Husky]

Despite what everyone says there will be no stability while these clowns remain in charge and signing 19 players in a season just looks like a club whose finances are out of control. Who is making these signings? Surely not the manager because if he was he surely wouldn't be ignoring them or loaning them out to other clubs.

Take Dabo as an example. Surely he wouldn't be sat at 0 appearances after 2 months at the club if GB wanted him. He's someone who's played at a much higher level than this and is highly thought of so why is he not playing? Personally I'm not bothered who the manager is because we are going nowehere as a club until there is a change at the top and some structure is put in.

Dabo the LEGEND! I should think he's at the club for 'free' and just getting board and lodgings whilst learning Northern English. Otherwise why can't one of our youngsters sit on the bench for some 'team experience', like a couple did several weeks back?

[bluebruce]

Are you sure that you mean Lowe? The self same description applies to Jordan Rhodes?

The blindingly obvious difference is that when Rhodes does something, he WINS US THE MATCH on a fairly regular basis. Lowe does not. When Lowe manages some tangible involvement in the game, it's usually just what you'd expect of a typical player in that position.

[thenodrog]

I agree - some very hard questions to be answered.......we ain't going up, so ball in Loons court......they surely won't offer the same next year? Although no expense on the printing - send out last years flyers, with a bit of black pen putting up the price by a couple of hundred quid!

To a realistic level / The going rate.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Totally with you on that Den.

Even at the start of the week after a draw(not a win!!) against Leicester the Club are still trotting out a load of tripe about playoffs being still on. Then its if we win the next 2 we are back in it. Then we drop 2 more points in the first of those 2 games and guess what..... play offs still on!!

I can't believe the bullsh1t that keeps being spouted in that Club. Its in complete and utter denial. banging on about stability for weeks when our turnover of playing staff resembles a soup kitchen. We must surely be heading for another major loss again this year because I don't see where the significant savings are -apart from not paying off managers this time round- and most of the crap we managed to shift is mostly only temporary till Summer and we are paying most of their wages.

Even if FFP gets watered down we are so far adrift that it probably wont help that much. And FFP or no FFP it doesn't stop us losing fortunes does it??

So like you Den, I think the Club is living in some sort of parallel universe and I just don't see how next year (without the bigger parachute money ) can offer any more hope than this one.

Its going to be very hard at Season ticket renewal to get enthused again for such mediocrity. Wonder what deal will be cooked up to inspire us this year??

I would be interested in what you would do - strangely advertising we are aiming for mid table doesn't sell tickets. I am sure most clubs in our position are still saying that top six is a possibility.

As for stability - this is mainly round the management - there is also the core of team building up over the season. The alternative to the high player turn over would be Murphy and Orr still turning up at Brockhall.

I partly agree about finances _ we are heading for another big loss - but shouldn't be as big as last season.

Is everything in the garden rosy - hell no - are there the green shoots of a recovery - I think so, though as many have stated the finances will be the major thing that could stop that recovery. So whether we like it or not - we are very much in the owners hands.

[roversR4ever]

Well to be fair we got two more points than from the last two games than I expected. We have to win the next three games to take advantage.

All very unlikely but win those three and we would be 5 behind reading and 3 behind other teams above us fighting for last spot. Would only take Reading to draw one and it would be an exciting mini league.

Of course reality is we haven't shown the consistency to win those three but if we don't get another injury we might be able to put out the same team for a few games which would help.

I do think we looked better With Evans in the team. He is by far our best cm who should get sharper with each game he plays - also noticeable how who ever plays alongside him plays better.

Do we know when Cairney is likely to return? Also Lowe (not suggesting he plays cm thinking more rb).

Any news on Marshall who when he was originally injured they thought he might be back before the end of the season?

[chaddyrovers]

Well to be fair we got two more points than from the last two games than I expected. We have to win the next three games to take advantage.

All very unlikely but win those three and we would be 5 behind reading and 3 behind other teams above us fighting for last spot. Would only take Reading to draw one and it would be an exciting mini league.

Of course reality is we haven't shown the consistency to win those three but if we don't get another injury we might be able to put out the same team for a few games which would help.

I do think we looked better With Evans in the team. He is by far our best cm who should get sharper with each game he plays - also noticeable how who ever plays alongside him plays better.

Do we know when Cairney is likely to return? Also Lowe (not suggesting he plays cm thinking more rb).

Any news on Marshall who when he was originally injured they thought he might be back before the end of the season?

Cairney is back for Saturday game according to the LT

[roversR4ever]

If he is that's a massive boost.

[joey_big_nose]

I would like to see this team next game. Think it will address the challenges we are seeing at the moment at right back and up front.

----------------Gestede

----Conway----Dunn-----King

----------Evans-------Cairney

Spurr---Keane-----Kilgallion--Lowe

---------------Robinson

Give Rhodes a break. Lots of pace and Dunn to tie things together much more coherantly behind the frontman. If it is not working by all means sub Rhodes back in and go 442.

[TBTF]

To be honest DMTP I get the pre season blurb and like you say if they don't try the jingoism in August then its a bit sad. My issue is that they are still banging the same drum even now bout Play offs being still on. Realistically it will take over 70 points to get 6th place and may be even a couple more than that. We need 20 points from the last 27 accounting for our garbage goal difference to get there. Not impossible mathematically but where this season have we ever shown that level of consistency.?

My issue is not with the jingoism but its with the actions to back up the words. Did it take 19 players coming in to get over Murphy and Orr?? Instead of signing 19 of which a good many are journey men/.can do a job types , surely you would get 4 or 5 of decent quality in that really reboot your squad and genuinely offer real hope of a top 6 push. I have never felt that we were doing that at any stage of the season and in fact I don't think we have actually been in the top 6 yet.

So this denial at the Club is starting to grate with me. If we had out of necessity, been forced to downsize the squad and cut costs massively then that's one thing but I don't actually see with 19 coming in and very few leaving on a permanent basis how we will have saved very much at all. So more heavy losses beckon and the squad is high on number and very low on quality.

So all I am saying is it will be very interesting to see what they entice us back with next season because I don't get how that represents a better chance of going up than this season. And by then we will probably be another £25million in the hole.

We now seem to be taking comfort in the fact that Leicester's assistant manager said it was one of the hardest games they have had this season. Well that's something to cling to this Summer isn't it???

I would love to be more enthused but sadly for me I cant get there at the minute.

[TBTF]

Good spot that Meadows. Just read it on line and it restores my faith in what I think I am watching and observing every week.

The Club has become a bit self delusional. We are not as GB contends making ''giant strides'' ; we have become becalmed in mediocrity

[den]

Jim Wilkinson's been around a long time. He's dead right with his summary as well, - bowyer saying we've made giant strides is just a bit silly. Most fans aren't stupid and know what they see. Honesty is always the best way for a manager.

[yoda's brother]

Well to be fair we got two more points than from the last two games than I expected. We have to win the next three games to take advantage.

All very unlikely but win those three and we would be 5 behind reading and 3 behind other teams above us fighting for last spot. Would only take Reading to draw one and it would be an exciting mini league.

Of course reality is we haven't shown the consistency to win those three but if we don't get another injury we might be able to put out the same team for a few games which would help.

I do think we looked better With Evans in the team. He is by far our best cm who should get sharper with each game he plays - also noticeable how who ever plays alongside him plays better.

Do we know when Cairney is likely to return? Also Lowe (not suggesting he plays cm thinking more rb).

Any news on Marshall who when he was originally injured they thought he might be back before the end of the season?

is that taking other teams results in the same time as well.

[thenodrog]

I would like to see this team next game. Think it will address the challenges we are seeing at the moment at right back and up front.

----------------Gestede

----Conway----Dunn-----King

----------Evans-------Cairney

Spurr---Keane-----Kilgallion--Lowe

---------------Robinson

Give Rhodes a break. Lots of pace and Dunn to tie things together much more coherantly behind the frontman. If it is not working by all means sub Rhodes back in and go 442.

Looks OK that set up, and with Conway and King switching wings occasionally.

[47er]

How many goals and points this season are down to the skills of David Dunn? Watford is just the latest example.

I can't think of anyone with his skills in this division.

If he's not fit or kept on next year, and he can't go on for much longer, how is that loss made up?

[Torgeir]

How many goals and points this season are down to the skills of David Dunn? Watford is just the latest example.

I can't think of anyone with his skills in this division.

If he's not fit or kept on next year, and he can't go on for much longer, how is that loss made up?

Not hiding Tom Cairney on the wing for one. I agree though, Dunn makes things happen as he's the best at driving forwards with the ball. His injury record throughout his career is a shame, he could have become a real player if not.