[Archived] Times you have got it wrong, really wrong!

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Not having that. Kean was the worst in living history. Go wash your mouth out.

Not in my book. I go off records, they're far more important to me than personality and all the other baggage. Exact reason I was a huge fan of Allardyce and was appalled when we appointed Berg. Kean's record in the PL was dire, his record in the Championship was far better than all our managers since.

[USABlue]

Wanted Hoddle instead of Souness.

Thought Berg would be good

Not at all impressed with Hughes as an appointment. To name but a few there's been millions

[Al]

Not in my book. I go off records, they're far more important to me than personality and all the other baggage. Exact reason I was a huge fan of Allardyce and was appalled when we appointed Berg. Kean's record in the PL was dire, his record in the Championship was far better than all our managers since.

Your book is never going to make the best sellers list. Returned with thanks from the publishers

[DE.]

Not in my book. I go off records, they're far more important to me than personality and all the other baggage. Exact reason I was a huge fan of Allardyce and was appalled when we appointed Berg. Kean's record in the PL was dire, his record in the Championship was far better than all our managers since.

Ffs, he was only in charge for 12 games

[bluefred]

When I first heard venkys and there supposed millions were taking over

[perthblue02]

Tony Finnigan after hitting that cracker at Burnley in the Manx cup, thought we had signed a good un, think the only thing he hit after that was a shop window with his car in Darwen.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Your book is never going to make the best sellers list. Returned with thanks from the publishers

Thats a shame. Being popular is all I've ever been concerned about amongst fans who wanted Allardyce out, booed Shearer for years, booed Souness on his return, slated Pedersen for most of his time here and think Bowyer is doing a good job. I'll go have a good cry and try my best to agree with the godlike wisdom of the majority in future.

[Hasta]

I did none of those you just listed but your Kean post above is laughable if you honestly believe that.

[thenodrog]

Not in my book. I go off records, they're far more important to me than personality and all the other baggage.

"baggage"??? .... "records"??? How about recorded 70m of debt and a club on the edge of extinction?

[47er]

Not in my book. I go off records, they're far more important to me than personality and all the other baggage. Exact reason I was a huge fan of Allardyce and was appalled when we appointed Berg. Kean's record in the PL was dire, his record in the Championship was far better than all our managers since.

Ignoring the fact that Kean took us there from a position of STABILITY!

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Fair enough I totally agree he was dreadful in the PL, and I turned against him quicker than most, wanting him sacked about 6-7 games into his first full season. But surely it can't be argued that the Championship is as difficult to manage in as the Premiership? 14 points from 8 games indicated Kean had found his level, and it was the sheer disgust at what had gone before rather than logic that drove him out when we were 2nd/3rd in the table.

It wouldn't have been a bad decision if we'd replaced him with an experienced, proven manager. But we replaced him with absolute dross. Berg was a poor manager in a league that makes the SPL look good, Appleton relegated Portsmouth and won 2 in 12 at Blackpool, and Bowyer was 1 rung below Kean in Allardyce's backroom staff.

Whether club legends or nice guys, our managers since Kean have been considerably worse than him. Which is a pretty solid indication of how absolutely diabolical they are. So in hindsight it was a mistake to sack him.

[jim mk2]

Berg was an attempt at populism by Singh to get disgruntled fans onside with the appointment of a renowned former player. It backfired - but you could see his logic. The daftest appointment was Appleton - which made no sense at all. Perhaps he came because he was cheap. The common theme is that we've had 5 rookie managers in a row yet the owners still have not learnt by their mistakes. If/when Bowyer is replaced don't be surprised if they appoint a sixth.

[Guest Norbert]

It was not a mistake. If he was manager now, we would have had all manner of clapped out, over paid goons on our playing staff, along with SEM clients in need of a pay day. The fans would be so angry they'd be releasing a whole coup of chickens onto the pitch, The whole atmosphere would be poisonous.

We would be in around the same position we are now, but with too many outside influences, an even bigger wage bill and even more disappointed fans.

[K-Hod]

It wasn't just about Kean's record on the pitch. It was everything off it.

Kean was poison, and simply had to be cut loose one way or another.

[bradeagle]

It was not a mistake. If he was manager now, we would have had all manner of clapped out, over paid goons on our playing staff, along with SEM clients in need of a pay day. The fans would be so angry they'd be releasing a whole coup of chickens onto the pitch, The whole atmosphere would be poisonous.

We would be in around the same position we are now, but with too many outside influences, an even bigger wage bill and even more disappointed fans.

exactly. any further more we may have been doing ok in the table but anyone could see that wouldn't last. think we had at tops 36% possession in one game. the boro game was the real rovers under kean.

[thenodrog]

Fair enough I totally agree he was dreadful in the PL, and I turned against him quicker than most, wanting him sacked about 6-7 games into his first full season. But surely it can't be argued that the Championship is as difficult to manage in as the Premiership? 14 points from 8 games indicated Kean had found his level, and it was the sheer disgust at what had gone before rather than logic that drove him out when we were 2nd/3rd in the table.

It wouldn't have been a bad decision if we'd replaced him with an experienced, proven manager. But we replaced him with absolute dross. Berg was a poor manager in a league that makes the SPL look good, Appleton relegated Portsmouth and won 2 in 12 at Blackpool, and Bowyer was 1 rung below Kean in Allardyce's backroom staff.

Whether club legends or nice guys, our managers since Kean have been considerably worse than him. Which is a pretty solid indication of how absolutely diabolical they are. So in hindsight it was a mistake to sack him.

Gonna be starting a thread about you soon SKH!!!

[Boner]

Kean's record in this league is deceptive. As a relegated team we were initially given far too much respect by the opposition, even though we were still a complete shambles on the pitch. We were actually outplayed in a number of the games we won, we somehow managed to mug teams of 3 points though, Leicester at home being the prime example.

I firmly believe a key factor in Kean jumping when he did is that team on this league had found out how to play against us, Kean & associates saw this so he left while his stock was highest.

If you believe he could have kept that form up over a season I think you're way off.

He's also a massive @#/?.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

It was not a mistake. If he was manager now, we would have had all manner of clapped out, over paid goons on our playing staff, along with SEM clients in need of a pay day. The fans would be so angry they'd be releasing a whole coup of chickens onto the pitch, The whole atmosphere would be poisonous.

We would be in around the same position we are now, but with too many outside influences, an even bigger wage bill and even more disappointed fans.

Clapped out and over-paid? As opposed to the cheapo journeymen and bog-standard youngsters we've got now? The atmosphere was poisonous under Kean sure but whats it like now? None-existent, has been all season. The Blackburn End sing one song a game and the Darwen End consists of about 20 drunks and 40 kids.

I don't know how you can be sure we'd be mid-table now when we were nowhere near mid-table when he was sacked. We wouldn't have a bigger wage bill, whoever our manager is/was, our wage bill has to go down each season we're in this league. And our chances of promotion go down along with it.

We had to get promoted last season, while we still had a PL wage bill and mostly PL players. So the smart option was to get 1 good manager or just keep the best 1 we had. Going off results rather than personal dislike, its pretty black and white to me that we sacked the best 1 we had and replaced him with 3 who were worse.

Gonna be starting a thread about you soon SKH!!!

Fire away. I'm not saying I liked him, I'm not saying I supported him in the PL (was amongst the first to join the protests when most fans at the time couldn't be bothered), I'm just saying the facts are the facts and from August 2012, it was a mistake to sack him given whats followed. If that viewpoint requires a witch hunt on brfcs then crack on, I'd find it funny more than anything.

[roverandout]

kean was never going to get us promoted but neither are his 3 successors.

[Guest Norbert]

Danny Murphy, Dickson Etuhu, Myles Anderson, Best, Bruno Riberio, David Goodwillie............do they sound familiar? Who signed them? Have they proved to be great signings? Who is Anderson's dad?

I'll go as far as to say Berg and Appleton were as bad, maybe slightly worse, but to say Kean would have had us up there, and should not have gone is frankly cretinous. We would not have got promoted last season under Kean, he did not have the ability, would have signed players worse than the 'journeymen' like Ben Marshall or Craig Conway on the behest of certain other figures. Kean had two attempts to relegate us, succeeded the second time round and should have gone in the summer. You can use short term statistics but the fact is he was a failure, signed rubbish players and Yakubu, and let a cabbage like Murphy to poison the dressing room with his attitude.

The fact we have to sign such 'journeymen' players nowadays is down to Steve Kean.

[Al]

Thats a shame. Being popular is all I've ever been concerned about amongst fans who wanted Allardyce out, booed Shearer for years, booed Souness on his return, slated Pedersen for most of his time here and think Bowyer is doing a good job. I'll go have a good cry and try my best to agree with the godlike wisdom of the majority in future.

Didn't do any of those things. It's just your opinion of Kean that is skewed.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Danny Murphy, Dickson Etuhu, Myles Anderson, Best, Bruno Riberio, David Goodwillie............do they sound familiar? Who signed them? Have they proved to be great signings? Who is Anderson's dad?

I'll go as far as to say Berg and Appleton were as bad, maybe slightly worse, but to say Kean would have had us up there, and should not have gone is frankly cretinous. We would not have got promoted last season under Kean, he did not have the ability, would have signed players worse than the 'journeymen' like Ben Marshall or Craig Conway on the behest of certain other figures. Kean had two attempts to relegate us, succeeded the second time round and should have gone in the summer. You can use short term statistics but the fact is he was a failure, signed rubbish players and Yakubu, and let a cabbage like Murphy to poison the dressing room with his attitude.

The fact we have to sign such 'journeymen' players nowadays is down to Steve Kean.

Murphy was a good PL player for 15 years, I remember most fans celebrating when we bought him.

Etuhu had spent 5 seasons in the PL when we signed him.

Best had spent 2 good seasons at Newcastle (and is now doing fine at Sheff Wed I've noticed).

Goodwillie was prolific in the SPL, probably about the equivalent to League 1.

None of these 4 signings were necessarily bad ones or wastes of money for the Championship. Its all about who the manager is and what he can get out of them. Do you think Andrews, Diouf, Chimbonda and Roberts could have played major roles in a 10th placed finish in the PL under most managers? I don't. The manager dictates the under or over performing of players, and if we'd had a good manager last season, we'd have seen different seasons from the above 4. Fair enough Anderson and Ribeiro were joke signings.

Well if you're so sure he wouldn't have had us up there then like I said you're taking his previous 2 seasons and treating the Premiership and Championship as identical managerial difficulty. Or you're just saying he was a t*** so he wouldn't have promoted us, which I find it hard to agree with the logic of.

You're clearly a fan of youth/enthusiasm over ability/experience. Maybe thats the crux of our difference of opinion because I'm emphatically not. Judge, Taylor, Kane, Spurr, Kilgallon, Varney, Williamson, Feeney, Evans, Conway, Marshall, Marrow etc etc are mediocre garbage who wouldn't take a team to the PL if you gave them 50 attempts at it.

[Guest Norbert]

The crux is Kean signed crap, his tactics were crap and he is an obnoxious ____. Murphy looked good on paper, but he soon turned out to be useless and an utter twerp of a man, on big wages. Best has had one good season in his career, Goodwillie turned out to be poor. And most of the players who have come in since, are good players at this level, and should have put us in the play-offs. I believe that Evans and Crainey have been promoted to the Premier League already, Conway was in the squad of a team that were usually in the play offs and got promoted, Kilgallon has played for Sunderland and may have been in play off/promotion charges, Judge stormed League 1, a level similar to David Goodwillie as you say, but was on a Bosman. So your argument that the players are crap compared to Kean's signings are not as black and white as you say.

Yes, that implies Bowyer is not good enough, and I'd agree I don't think he quite hits that level, but his signings are better than the crap Kean signed, and the current squad would possibly do better than the squad we had when Kean started out in this division. However, if we had a good manager, they might have done better then, but Steve Kean was not that manager in any shape or form. It was he who signed crap on massive wages, it was he who got us relegated, it was he who got lucky in a few games to boost these stats, and it is his successors who have had to clean up his mess and deal with a far more financially restrictive situation because of Steve Kean's terrible reign.

You can make as many excuses for Kean, and pin all the blame on Bowyer et al on our current situation, but Steve Kean is the one responsible for this crapstorm by relegating us and buying over priced rubbish. It was he who guided us to our current situation, with Berg and Appleton keeping up the work, and to suggest he had it within him to rectify his relegation is hopeful and optimistic at best.

[Al]

Wow! The WUMs are really out in force today. Is there something in the air?

[DE.]

Kean's record in this league is deceptive. As a relegated team we were initially given far too much respect by the opposition, even though we were still a complete shambles on the pitch. We were actually outplayed in a number of the games we won, we somehow managed to mug teams of 3 points though, Leicester at home being the prime example.

I firmly believe a key factor in Kean jumping when he did is that team on this league had found out how to play against us, Kean & associates saw this so he left while his stock was highest.

If you believe he could have kept that form up over a season I think you're way off.

He's also a massive @#/?.

Spot on. So many people seem to have forgotten how badly we played at the start of that season. Our wins were down to a combination of luck and teams @#/? it against us. When Kean left we were starting on a downward spiral that I have no doubt would have continued. I remember us being on TV and playing Boro, I think? From recollection we lost 2-1 and were dreadful. The crowd were booing - because they'd been watching the same @#/? all season and knew this was going to be the eventual outcome. Nobody had any faith in Kean sustaining our form because the performances spoke for themselves. I can't believe anybody would seriously suggest keeping him on would have been the best idea. A proper #headsgone moment.